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Case Against Christianity

-Please note that this is called the Case Against

Christianity, NOT "The Case Against God." if it were that,

this would be a video debunking deism, not Christianity. The

reason I am not a deist is because there's no reason to. The

defendant is innocent until proven guilty, and God is

imaginary until proven real. I will cover more of what I

mean in Point 4.

Point 1: Christian Beliefs Contradict Themselves

1A: For example, Prayer and God's Plan. If God really does

have an eternal plan, like many Christians say, then why

pray? Whatever's planned is going to happen anyway, unless

you think the perfect, all-knowing man in the sky is going

to change his plan for you just cause you muttered some

words.

1B: Since some Christians don't believe in God's plan, I'll

use my favorite one: Hell and God's Love.

Christians like to claim the their God is all-loving and

all-merciful. Yet at the same time they believe in Hell.

Eternal damnation.

But if God truly loves us, would he really send us to Hell?

Think about it. If you have a deeply-loved family member or

friend, would you ever send them to eternal fire? No matter

what that family member did, would you damn them forever? If

you answere No, then you obviously love them more than God

ever will.

Not only that, but isn't God supposed to be merciful? Why

can't he just forgive us after we die, have us go through a

spiritual ritual, and then go to Heaven and join him

forever? Doesn;t he love us? Why must he hold an eternal

grudge for finite mistakes we made?

And there's more. Since Satan, as you believe, is the reason

for sin, then why are WE the one's going to Hell? Why are we

being held responsible when Satan is the one tempting us?

Satan is already in Hell, why must we join him?

And also, why is God just LETTING Satan do all of this? Why

doesn't God kill/purify Satan? Millions upon millions of

people are going to Hell because of Satan, and God is just

going to sit back and watch? He loves us, remember? Why is

God letting all of his loved one's go to Hell? if that loved

family member of yours was on their way to Hell, and you

could save them, wouldn't you save them?! If yes, then

obviously you love them more than God ever would. What's

wrong with God? Doesn't he give a shit?

I could mention many more flaws in the general Christian

beliefs (other than the fact that they're fantastical and

strange.) But I'm sure you get the point.

Point 2: Christianity is Unorginal

In fact, pretty much nothing about is unorginal. It's

sometimes hard for a devout Christian to realize that, but

yeah, it's true. Of course the God theory is unorginal.

Prayer obviously came long before. But let's go explore some

things that actually matter.

Christianity is basically a Judaism with a ton of beliefs

from various Pagan religions thrown together into one handy

-dandy manual for life, with of course a few original names

and stuff.

Keep in mind that many Pagan religions featured virgin

births, and quite a few , if I recall actually had saviors,

tht, like, totally rose from the dead after THREE DAYS. Not

only that, but the whole Communion thing? That's unorginal

too. Egyptian sun disks became halos over Saints.And Osiris,

Adonis, and Dionysus were all born on December 25. And the

whole Sabbath Day on Sunday thing? Yeah, that was also

stolen from the Pagans. And the first half of the religion?

It's Judaism with a few tweaks. Many Christian beliefs were

common in Pagan religions. It just so happens that

Christianity survived and most of those did not. When you

understand the origins of the religion, you realize how

stupid it is.

Think of it this way. Let's say there are two books, Isiray

an Farrar. (i just made those up.) Let's say that one of

them MUST be true. One is the way, and one is false. Oh, and

to add on to all the false religions, about a dozen other

books exist too, but they're false Qurans.

Now, a book is written. This book is based halfly on one of

the two books, but which one we don't know. When we had two

books, there was a 1/2 chance that one was true, for each.

Now, this book is halfly based upon on of them, so now its

1/4. But then various common beliefs from the littler books

are taken and trown into the new book. The new book changes

some names and events, throws in various accoutn of slavery

and murder, imagines an all-loving God (that sends you to

Hell), and it's finished. Dah-dah-dah! It's the Bible!!!

The more unorginal something is, the less likely it is to be

true. And if you say "well those other religions were

wrong", then how can yours be right, since it was based off

of them? Unless, of course, one of them happened to be the

true way...

Point 3: The Bible is Unreliable and Vile

Honestly Christians, how can you bring yourself to base your

entire lives off of a book like this? Oh, that's right:

because depsite how much they revere it, most Christians

haven't even read all of it. Oh, well. No need to actually

READ the book we're betting our souls on, right? Oh, and if

you say "well it's been messed up and mistranslated by

mortal men!"...well, then why are you basing your life off

of a book that's been that messed up and mistranslated? That

argument only strengthens my argument that the book as a

whole is unreliable.

And it's time to get educated.

Hey, what do you do on Sundays? Have you noticed how almost

nowhere actually closes on Sundays? And surely at one time

you've done something other than relax and pray. What does

the Bible think of this?

The Bible says to KILL every person who works on a Sunday.

That would be most of the world, wouldn't it?

The Bible also demands that we KILL every Atheist, gay,

micheivious child, everyone whos ever showed disrespect for

a parent, every prostitute, and everyone who's had unmarried

sex, every Muslim, Buddhist, and pretty much everyone who's

not Christian, hetersexual and obedient.

That pretty much wipes out about 90% of the world

population. Why are you basing so much faith in a book that

contains such stuff?

Strange how despite "thou shalt not kill", the Bible

contains various passages of God himself killing and

ordering the killing of other. I guess it's okay if it's in

the name of God, huh?

Oh, and if you are a Christian, were you ever an Atheist,

Agnostic or Deist? Ever? You know what the Bible says? That

the sin of denying the holy spirit is UNFORGIVABLE. That's

right. Even though you're a Christian now, the Bible says

you can NEVER be forgiven for your past denial, and you've

sealed your fate into Hell. God really does love you, huh?

Oh, and the Bible's atrocites go on. The Bible is evtremely

sexist in nature and constantly degrades women. The Bibles,

for example, says that women are NOT allowed to speak inside

of a Church. The Bible also encourages rape of women in some

places. if you're a female Christian, you REALLY need to

pick up a Bible and find out what you all-loving God really

thinks of you.

Depsite the atrocites, the Bible is also very hard to trust.

For example, the Egyptians never had Hebrew slaves. Come on,

don't you think there would be records of slaves, then

escaping and throwing tons of curses onto the poor

Egyptians? That sounds like something that would be in the

very detailed records of the Egyptians.

The Bible is also historically and geographically

inaccurate. For example, the 40 year jounrey of the Jews

through the desert? Even then, that jounrey would have taken

10 DAYS. What took them so long, anyway?

Oh, the Bible also says that the Earth if flat, and the

center of the Universe. I wonder what reality has to say

about that.

No, I did NOT make these things up about the Bible. Go read

the Bible and verify these facts for yourselves.

I could go on and on with this point, but I'm sure you get

it. Undying faith in this book is irrational.

Point 4: "Proving" God

Arguments like "the Universe had to come from somewhere" and
"where did the first atom come


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atom come from" and Intelligent Design,

even, accomplish nothing. They don't prove anything. I can

easily debunk them, but that's besides that point.

Let's argue on the assumption that these arguments DO work.

That they really do "prove" God.

Christianity still doesn't accomplish anything.

Like I said, this is my Case Against Christianity, not

Against God. If God if ever proven to me, I will become a

deist.

You see, Christians, these same arguements could have been

used by a Muslim to prove Allah. They could prove Zeus. The

key is not to prove God, but to prove YOUR God. Christians

seem to be blinded to one possibily: My way or the highway.

In other words, either MY God exists, or NO God exists.

Have you ever considered the fact the no religion on Earth

has discovered God?

There is no proof against God, you are correct, but it's

Christianity that you seem to blindly follow though it's

obviously wrong. If God exists, the Heaven and Hell do not.

Sin does not. You can "prove" God, but where' your proof for

Christianity? Why are you so closed minded? When an Atheist

sayd God doesn't exist, we're usually talking about YOUR

God, because we are certain of it. As for A God, who knows.

Maybe but. But your vile, stupid God? No way.

And so you have it. My Case Against Chritianity. I'll end

with a quote:

"Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a man

religion, and he'll starve to death praying for a fish."
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At 7/7/08 05:26 AM, Namaria-Kun wrote: if it were that, this would be a video debunking deism, not Christianity.

I didn't realise I was even watching a video.

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At 7/7/08 05:27 AM, TheNossinator wrote:
At 7/7/08 05:26 AM, Namaria-Kun wrote: if it were that, this would be a video debunking deism, not Christianity.
I didn't realise I was even watching a video.

Where the Hell did that come from...I must have been imagining narrating for a YouTube video...that's what this was originally about.


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Wall of text.

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At 7/7/08 05:30 AM, CyprusX wrote: Wall of text.

Tower of text.


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At 7/7/08 05:26 AM, Namaria-Kun wrote: TL;DR

TL;DR: Namaria-kun basically stole a load of shit from somewhere like youtube or a script of something, with several contradictions in it and is now ranting against christianity, with un-original shit.

I've covered wars, yknow.

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At 7/7/08 05:26 AM, Namaria-Kun wrote:
Point 1: Christian Beliefs Contradict Themselves
Point 2: Christianity is Unorginal
Point 3: The Bible is Unreliable and Vile

100% Agree

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At 7/7/08 05:33 AM, leekspinner wrote:
At 7/7/08 05:26 AM, Namaria-Kun wrote: TL;DR
TL;DR: Namaria-kun basically stole a load of shit from somewhere like youtube or a script of something, with several contradictions in it and is now ranting against christianity, with un-original shit.

Wait, what the Hell? Seriously, I've been planning to make Atheism YouTube videos. Where else would you see this, like, SUPER LONG script? i just whipped this up on Note pad just now. And unorginal shit, well think about it, many arguments are commonly used. I was thinking through today about how to script my words. On what basis do you have to believe that this is stolen?


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At 7/7/08 05:38 AM, Namaria-Kun wrote: On what basis do you have to believe that this is stolen?

1. It's long. Very long.
2. 'You've' thought about something. A little odd for an NG'er.
3. Low level account.
4. It said video.
5. Every second line is blank

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Well done .

I converted to Islam.

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Atheists fail just as hard as Theists.


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I didn't even read

Because you typed

Like this, it's really

Annoying and i hate it.

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At 7/7/08 05:49 AM, Ungar wrote: I didn't even read

Because you typed

Like this, it's really

Annoying and i hate it.

He didn't even type this shit.


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Even if he copy-pasted it that still doesn't mean he doesn't mean it...
I've read it all, and I must say I agree.
About some things I'm a little unsure if that's actually in the bible, but I'm too lazy to check it.

Side note: This text goes for all religion imo...


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Ugh just like a real life bandwagon. Because so many people believe in something, or are interested in certain things. People get angry and want to destroy that. If so many people like something, you are gonna have a group of people who can't stand that all those people like something.

Christianity is such a big religion and is widely accepted, and has so many followers, you have all these people come in and hate people for believing in something they don't, and the fact so many people are involved.

Neither side has any proof or anything. All we have is faith. Proof is irrelavant. I don't even know why athiest hate religious people so much, catjolics more though. All they did was believe. And don't start with this shit about shoving ideas down someones throat. I have more people shoving athiest views up my ass after I tell them im catholic, then anything else. I get more athiests then Jehova witnesses questioning my faith.

I don't even understand why it matters if someone believes something different. How is someone's thoughts effecting you? How is me believeing in life after death destroying you? It's not. An athiest doesn't bother me. I could care less what others believe. All i care is what I believe.

Seriously, the athiest/religion argument is fucking rediculous.


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if it were that, this would be a video debunking deism, not Christianity.
I didn't realise I was even watching a video.
Where the Hell did that come from...I must have been imagining narrating for a YouTube video...that's what this was originally about.

lol.... do i get a prize for reading through half of it????

WTF!

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Dear god. Has the quality of this forum decayed so much that flame wars will now be started with copy pasta?


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Why is there a space between every line? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Swallow your sugar pills, inject your saline, breath in some hydroxide mist and have a nice day.

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God has infinite mercy, you need only ask for it and be sorry for what you have done. My belief is that not even Hitler went to hell.
The thing about Christianity being unoriginal is absurd, so I won't even comment on that.
The Bible was not written by god you dumb piece of shit, it was written by mortals like you and me who committed sins just like everyone else, and I doubt that they new the earth was round back in AD 33.
I am not a hardcore Christian I just believe in God because of the following:
1) If God does not exist, than souls don't exist, yet we still feel things like love, sadness, fear. Some people might link these emotions to small reactions in our body, but I personally refuse to believe that any combination of elements can create an artificial soul.
2) It is historically proven that there existed a man named Jesus. This man can be one of two things:
The son/prophet of God.
The most intelligent person of all time, because he managed to make the world believe in God, and praise him. But if he was that intelligent, how did he allow himself to be crucified, why did he not run, when he knew that they would arrest him on the Last Supper.

Also a P.S Charles Darwin himself was not an atheist.


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At 7/7/08 07:22 AM, AnalogStick wrote: God has infinite mercy, you need only ask for it and be sorry for what you have done. My belief is that not even Hitler went to hell.
The thing about Christianity being unoriginal is absurd, so I won't even comment on that.
The Bible was not written by god you dumb piece of shit, it was written by mortals like you and me who committed sins just like everyone else, and I doubt that they new the earth was round back in AD 33.
I am not a hardcore Christian I just believe in God because of the following:
1) If God does not exist, than souls don't exist, yet we still feel things like love, sadness, fear. Some people might link these emotions to small reactions in our body, but I personally refuse to believe that any combination of elements can create an artificial soul.
2) It is historically proven that there existed a man named Jesus. This man can be one of two things:
The son/prophet of God.
The most intelligent person of all time, because he managed to make the world believe in God, and praise him. But if he was that intelligent, how did he allow himself to be crucified, why did he not run, when he knew that they would arrest him on the Last Supper.

Also a P.S Charles Darwin himself was not an atheist.

So, I could go kill everybody in a church, fuck their corpses, burn it down, say a little prayer asking for forgiveness, then shoot myself in the skull and its all good?

Emotions are linked to your brain, thats why people with personality disorders have differences in their brains then normal people.

Also, if you really think that there HAS to be a higher power, how the hell do you know it was Christianities view? Maybe Jews are right? Maybe Muslims? There are many forms of theism and no reason to lean towards one or the other, just as there is no reason to lean towards atheism over theism or visa versa.

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At 7/7/08 06:42 AM, Lost-Chances wrote: Why is there a space between every line? What the fuck is wrong with you?

To distract you from the shitty content.


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tooo much text omg ...


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TL;DR
Pretty sure I posted the exact same shit when I went through my "I must preach the evils of religion!" phase.

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Reply;
1a. God's plan is flexible but is always heading to the same end.
We can slightly affect the plan but the ending has been foretold and is going to end that way.
Prayer let's us feel included and it's not just all about asking there's also worship in praying
and thanking and talking with God.

1b. God lets us go to hell because he's not just loving but he's also fair.
It's kind of like spending life in prison if you're a convict.
God is a judge and he's going to judge you for everything you've done wrong.
There is a way round this judgement though and that's Jesus Christ he died and took the punishment for us. You see God does love us and
"He sent his one and only son that who ever has hope in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
You see if you put you're hope in him then you accept God's gift and pardon "Jesus Christ" then he'll keep you from hell.
But if you ignore it then you've ignored you're one way out and you've carried on sinning so you're going to definitely go to hell because it's like a prisoner on bail committing a crime. you're instantly going back to jail when you're caught.

God doesn't kill Satan because you need a chance to get tempted a chance to do right and wrong or else we're just forced to do everything and forcing isn't loving.

Oh and by the way satan isn't in hell yet but he's gonna be put there when Jesus comes again.

Oh and how is being strange a flaw. Everything's different.

2. Christianity is Judaism but with the predicted Judaic saviour already come.
So are you saying that either Judaism or some pagan religion is 100% true.
I'm afraid I don't have enough knowledge on pagan religions to comment on most of that stuff sorry.

3. You're really starting to tick me off now nowhere in the Bible do i know of that it says we must kill any gay, mischievous child, prostitute, parent etc.
You point me to somewhere in the bible where it says this and I will surely carry on this convesation but until then GOODBYE.

p.s.

4. So you tell me where the universe came from and where and where the first atom came from.

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At 7/7/08 07:30 AM, ScrubbyNinja wrote:
At 7/7/08 07:22 AM, AnalogStick wrote: God has infinite mercy, you need only ask for it and be sorry for what you have done. My belief is that not even Hitler went to hell.
The thing about Christianity being unoriginal is absurd, so I won't even comment on that.
The Bible was not written by god you dumb piece of shit, it was written by mortals like you and me who committed sins just like everyone else, and I doubt that they new the earth was round back in AD 33.
I am not a hardcore Christian I just believe in God because of the following:
1) If God does not exist, than souls don't exist, yet we still feel things like love, sadness, fear. Some people might link these emotions to small reactions in our body, but I personally refuse to believe that any combination of elements can create an artificial soul.
2) It is historically proven that there existed a man named Jesus. This man can be one of two things:
The son/prophet of God.
The most intelligent person of all time, because he managed to make the world believe in God, and praise him. But if he was that intelligent, how did he allow himself to be crucified, why did he not run, when he knew that they would arrest him on the Last Supper.

Also a P.S Charles Darwin himself was not an atheist.
So, I could go kill everybody in a church, fuck their corpses, burn it down, say a little prayer asking for forgiveness, then shoot myself in the skull and its all good?

As long as you meant it when you said sorry then yes.


Emotions are linked to your brain, thats why people with personality disorders have differences in their brains then normal people.

So what are you saying...that over 2 billion people in the world have personality disorders because the follow a religion?


Also, if you really think that there HAS to be a higher power, how the hell do you know it was Christianities view? Maybe Jews are right? Maybe Muslims? There are many forms of theism and no reason to lean towards one or the other, just as there is no reason to lean towards atheism over theism or visa versa.

It's a matter of faith.
Everyone in the world has faith.
Some stronger than others. An atheist might have even more faith in atheism than a christian does in christianity or vice versa.


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With God there's no in between. You're either Friend or Foe. Either one can change sides though.

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Don't mind me gentlemen, just passing through.

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Bible is contradictory, based on astrology.


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At 7/7/08 09:39 AM, McJesus wrote: Don't mind me gentlemen, just passing through.

Yeah, that has a lot to do with the topic.

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