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You know, Pox, you remind me a lot of Shaggytheclown. The only difference is that you're a radical on the opposite extreme, and you have moderator status.

At 7/7/08 07:53 PM, 1Rock4ME03 wrote: Thats today, preachers and teachers everywhere are warning the people of the usa and the world that God's judgement is going to be soon, they are warning that unless they get saved that they WILL dies and go to hell and burn forever. No one listens and those who dont will be doomed.

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As far as I'm concerned if its warm & burning hot...it can't be hell .
That sounds more like heaven, lots of heat , turn her up .
Now Hell , Hell is frozen solid. absolutely everything is frozen and goes on & on with nothing moving & everything a frozen block...that sounds more like hell to me.

burning hot temperatures... are you sure your not describing the Austrailian outback?

At 7/8/08 12:47 AM, marchohare wrote:

John 8:1-11 would definitely make two things, and John 2:13-17 makes it clear that this guy was no fan of the status quo.

Yeah but they don't refute his claim, they're just contradictions.
Anyways at best his position was something like "the old testament is correct in every way, but just don't kill people and stuff".
Basically he probably had not access to the old testament because the texts were assembled in their current form almost 400 years after he died.

So whatever the hell he knew about our old testament, I dunno.

The Bible is lousy journalism. None of the Gospels were written during Jesus' life.

And some were left out of the bible too.

At less than 200 pages, it's a fast read.

but still stupid <3

Jesus' words are still relevant.

Some of it is crap like "if you don't believe in me, you should be killed" and "it's ok to beat slaves because you own them after all".

so yeah...

At 7/8/08 03:28 AM, dySWN wrote: You know, Pox, you remind me a lot of Shaggytheclown. The only difference is that you're a radical on the opposite extreme, and you have moderator status.

overstatement much? Lol

At 7/7/08 05:42 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote:

At 7/7/08 05:36 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 7/7/08 05:27 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: I will fight any belief that condones murder and suicide, I will fight it to the end.

Atheism inherently has nothing to say in regards to murder, either for or against.
Whereas in the scripture of your very own religion there are countless examples or violence condoned by god.

Wrong, after Jesus came he told everyone not to kill, the Jews even had the 10 commandments before him so that is a mark against you, Atheism and Evolution, the only rope that they have to grasp is undeniably false and has ben the cause of many acts of violence and to make it worse, it encourages it!

The slavery we have had, genocide, holocaust, things brought up with the racist belief that one group of people are less than another n therefor condones them to commit murder on them as they deny that it is murder.

Just admit it, you can't hide from the truth.

Remember the crusades? The pope told the people that they would get in to heaven automatically if they lost their live killing muslims. I don't think you have ever studied history, science or any belief system other than christianity. Your input in this thread is therefore meaningless.

Just admit it, you can't hide from the truth.

Rather vague question..... "Is it relevant?".....

Is it relevant: Yes.
Should we take everything as written: No.
Should we regard it as complete fact: No
Should we regard it as the ultimate lifestyle guide: No.
Should we USE it as the ultimate lifestyle guide: No.

Some stuff is quite good. Some is not. The bible is old, it was never really kept properly (hand-copying+ constant minor rewrites over 2000+ years take a toll on accuracy) and it self-contradicts itself a LOT. Its still the greatest book ever, purely through its own history.

It isn't a computer program for robots, I have yet to see a "When Sensor A detects value 37, rotate moter 3 at power=76% for 3.9 seconds" type passage in the Bible. Of course, I may just have missed it, If I have, please PM me the position in the bible, also which type of bible. It needs interpretation.....and a little common sense. Which of course, is a feature that robots (and certain people I know, not NGers, just people) lack entirely.

Its a story.....parts are true......parts are not. It's not that hard to find the bits that are too nonsensical for modern use. Stoning your neighbours to death is generally a bad idea, as is burning people. Also, washing peoples feet for no apparant reason will make you look stupid and/or insane.

And, as a totally unrelated fact, given all the evidence: the location involved, the description given and various other factors.....

Its clear the whole "rising into heaven on a pillar of flame" thing is based on some rather unfortunate incidents involving accidental ignition of oil wells. Or alien teleportation rays. Either would give the recorded results. Broadly speaking, at least.

Don't base your life entirely and completely on the bible. You will have a beard longer than a bus and spend your time eating fish and smoking "medicinal herbs" in a desert while wearing a nightie and smelling like a goat. (And yes, it has been proven that such a herb DOES grow where Moses recieved the 10 Commandments. Look it up)

Common sense........why is it so unpopular? Is it taxed in some way?

At 7/9/08 06:15 AM, Shroiken wrote: Its still the greatest book ever, purely through its own history.

The most important, maybe, but not the greatest :O
As a book of any sort, it's pretty shitty.

Stoning your neighbours to death is generally a bad idea, as is burning people.

The problem is that you can't tell just from reading the bible, you have to actually consult other people and ask them and make up your mind as to what kind of laws you want and THEN you go back to the bible and find the parts that agree with you and you ignore the ones that don't.

That's how it works.

Or alien teleportation rays.

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At 7/9/08 06:15 AM, Shroiken wrote: Its clear the whole "rising into heaven on a pillar of flame" thing is based on some rather unfortunate incidents involving accidental ignition of oil wells. Or alien teleportation rays. Either would give the recorded results. Broadly speaking, at least.

;;;
Actually if you can give any kind of belief in the possibility that extrateristrials may exist & may have visited this planet in its past.
Rising into the heavens on a pillar of flame (surely everyone has seen at least one NASA launch) isn't a bad or far off discription at all, of leaving this planet for ....the heavens !

Common sense........why is it so unpopular? Is it taxed in some way?

Because it doesn't exist...now uncommon sense (those of us who pay a wee bit of attentionto detail) does exist. Seems somewhere back in time it got misnamed ;)

The Bible has been changed over time. Whether on purpose by those who wanted more power, or even by accident during translation. No one can deny that. It is also interpreted by some real idiots who twist it to fit whatever they want.

But overall, it provides a good base of morals and law, not to mention some interesting ways on thinking about life and spirituality. It also provides a guide for daily life. It doesn't need to be taken 100% literally, but is certainly not obsolete.

Some of the Bible is anti-women, among other problems. Just use common sense.

At 7/9/08 04:13 PM, Propane wrote: Yes the bible is still relevant to people who believe in it.

Just like the boogeyman is relevant to people who believe in it.

Of course it's relevant to them, is it logical? Hardly. It's a simple book for simple people. When humans as a species evolved some more, we discovered just how stupid these writings are.

At 7/9/08 09:57 PM, drDAK wrote:

At 7/9/08 04:13 PM, Propane wrote: Yes the bible is still relevant to people who believe in it.

Just like the boogeyman is relevant to people who believe in it.

Do not diss the boogeyman.

I still hold true to the oil well theory. Given that the description generally involves (biblical figure) being engulfed suddenly by flames..... perhaps an unfortunate choice of location for a smoke?

Interpretation is the key......which got thrown away AGES ago.

Ok Class. Lets open our books.
Biology 101
Animals were created from dust.
Man was created from dust.

Class dismissed.
Test on Tuesday.

Next Subject
Astronomy 101

First there was Nothing.
Then there was the "Firmament"
And then there was Light (source unknown)
Then there was the Earth.
Then there were Stars.
No questions. WE DO NOT QUESTION THE BOOK.

Test on Wednesday.

Next Subject
Linguistics 101

First everyone spoke 1 language
Then All of the sudden we all started speaking another
language in Babylon. When our ancestors built that tower.
Proving the Indoeuropean language never existed.
HOW you ask. AGAIN. WE DO NOT QUESTION OUR BOOK.

Next Subject
Theology 101.5

1 Corinthians
To be studied in earnest starting with verse 20
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

And a thesis on why we should stay ignorant due on Monday.

At 7/8/08 03:28 AM, dySWN wrote: You know, Pox, you remind me a lot of Shaggytheclown. The only difference is that you're a radical on the opposite extreme, and you have moderator status.

Except, Pox is not really saying that Shaggy will burn in a pit for all eternity after he dies. And I think Pox is a fair bit less crazy with his political views, although being incredibly athiest is not one of the more attractive ones... Speaking of which, what happened to Shaggy? Did he trip into an oncoming bus or something?

=3

Everything is relevant in someway.

At 7/9/08 06:25 AM, poxpower wrote:
As a book of any sort, it's pretty shitty.

Sure it could've been better

So could've titanic.

But they were selling it on a massive scale.

Still I think that it deserved the oscar.

Does anyone here actually have a good reasoning behind why it wouldn't be relevant?
I'm having a hard time thinking of any points of irrelevance, and that even goes for the people thinking it's the absolute Bane of the Earth.

I think the only way one could consider it irrelevant is if they prescribed to a completely Apathetic viewpoint on religion, but that sorta goes hand in hand with "Ignorance is bliss".....

I'm fairly apathetic about religion, in the sense that I really don't care, and if it's brought up or deemed relevant, I always end up finding a way to de-emphasize the importance of the Bible or any holy book....but I don't doubt that it's still highly relevant in my, or most of the 6 billion people on Earth's, cozy little part of reality.

At 7/9/08 06:25 AM, poxpower wrote:
The most important, maybe, but not the greatest :O
As a book of any sort, it's pretty shitty.

Reading it in Greek is actually fairly enjoyable, but I think that's because it's Koine Greek, which basically means it's about as difficult a read as Green Eggs and Ham. Makes it real easy to read Greek when some of the books seem structured like they were written by 10 year olds: "Kai....kai....kai"
"And Jesus went to Nazarath. And he healed someone. And he went to the temple. And he prayed. And he saw his friends. And he got a drink. And he took a poop. And...and....and...."

At 7/29/08 12:13 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: Everything is relevant in someway.

Hahah, your statement isn't relevant, it's absolute.

SELF DEFEATING ARGUMENT FTW

At 7/29/08 12:45 AM, Imperator wrote: Does anyone here actually have a good reasoning behind why it wouldn't be relevant?
I'm having a hard time thinking of any points of irrelevance, and that even goes for the people thinking it's the absolute Bane of the Earth.

I think the only way one could consider it irrelevant is if they prescribed to a completely Apathetic viewpoint on religion, but that sorta goes hand in hand with "Ignorance is bliss".....

Ah, but that depends on what you put in "relevant". For example, have you ever heard the expression "biblical law"? It's used by some Christians who thinks that we should run society as described in the Bible. In this aspect, the Bible is not at all relevant to how to run a society. Society would collapse if run that way.

But, however, as you say, at some level somewhere, the Bible is relevant to something, so it's impossible to not say that it's relevant anymore. If nothing more, it's very relevant to history.

"And Jesus went to Nazarath. And he healed someone. And he went to the temple. And he prayed. And he saw his friends. And he got a drink. And he took a poop. And...and....and...."

Woot, a good childrens book if you edit away all that "And then God killed some people. And then he killed their cattle. And then he killed their servants."

At 7/29/08 07:18 AM, Drakim wrote:
Hahah, your statement isn't relevant, it's absolute.

SELF DEFEATING ARGUMENT FTW

It's absolute AND relevant because it defines an aspect of relevance and the flow of information. All information can be connected or juxtaposed against other information to form meaning.

That's how we form thoughts ;o

And on a non-absolute level, of course the bible is fucking relevant.

It's a major religion. With millions of people devoting their lives to it, in this country, these people form a large part of the voting population.

So it's quite the opposite of relevant, no matter what context you put it in.

At 7/6/08 04:59 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: Since mankind is much smarter today than they were back in the day, this begs the question: is the Bible still relavent in today's society?

yes, it tells of how we should act (i mean the Ten Commandments) and how the world will end.

At 7/31/08 11:35 PM, mindlessdestruction2 wrote: yes, it tells of how we should act (i mean the Ten Commandments) and how the world will end.

Are you ten years old? Jesus.

At 7/6/08 04:59 PM, KeithHybrid wrote: The Bible was written way back when it was still believed the sun revolved around the earth, the earth was flat, and all that jazz.

Aacctuually... no. People knew the earth was round at the time of the Bibles' conceptions.

At 8/1/08 04:11 AM, ReciprocalAnalogy wrote: Aacctuually... no. People knew the earth was round at the time of the Bibles' conceptions.

No aactuuallly...people for centuries afterwards believed it was flat.

At 8/1/08 04:15 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: No aactuuallly...people for centuries afterwards believed it was flat.

The New Testament was written when the popular belief was that the earth was spherical.

The Old Testament was written by people who held both beliefs, and was later revised to be more cohesively pro-sphere.

Just because hoards of people in the Late Antiquity thought "the ends of the earth" and "four corners" were actual physical cahracteristics doesn't mean the writers thought the same.

At 7/29/08 07:18 AM, Drakim wrote:

At 7/29/08 12:13 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: Everything is relevant in someway.

Hahah, your statement isn't relevant, it's absolute.

SELF DEFEATING ARGUMENT FTW

You seem to have confused "relevant" with "relative."

At 8/1/08 04:42 AM, ReciprocalAnalogy wrote:

The Old Testament was written by people who held both beliefs, and was later revised to be more cohesively pro-sphere.

Where in the bible does it suggest anything about the earth being spherical?
Or round even.

Though I think they thought for a loooooong time that the earth was a huge flat disk with a dome of stars above it or some shit, though a lot of scholars of the time found ways to prove that stars were far away and that the earth was a sphere.

But where do you find this in the bible?
Cause I don't remember that.

At 8/1/08 05:02 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

At 7/29/08 07:18 AM, Drakim wrote: Hahah, your statement isn't relevant, it's absolute.

You seem to have confused "relevant" with "relative."

It appears so. Who must die to repay these grave sins? D:

Jesus just doesn't seem enough

whose hearts, minds and spirits must we crush to prove our beliefs or lack of are truth? We are all the same and this fighting won't bring us anywhere.

At 8/1/08 06:06 PM, dark-fox wrote: whose hearts, minds and spirits must we crush to prove our beliefs or lack of are truth? We are all the same and this fighting won't bring us anywhere.

You're a moron. Stop trying to feign intelligence by posting pseudo-intellectual nonsense just because you think it sounds deep.

Now, on point, I feel like this discussion is gravitating a central focus, but nobody has quite posited it as such: is the Bible necessary in this day and age.

A lot of arguments on both sides seem to be revolving around this theme and I think it's kind of a given that the Bible's relevant. I mean, after all, there are over a billion Christians worldwide, of course the Bible will be relevant to political discourse. The issue is whether or not it's influence is necessary.

Hopefully this is a more heated point.