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At 6/25/08 07:43 PM, ShortMonkey wrote:

At 6/25/08 07:41 PM, YoungAndWise wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9279 48

I rest my case.

You know, I was thinking of posting the EXACT some topic. Great minds think alike. ;)

Wow, i never thought this thread would get so meny post's. good job Corky.

I guess you could call me a General regular. I try my hardest to keep the place clean, but there's pretty much no use in it, there will always be a stream of new, shit users coming in, eventually maturing, as another stream of new, shit users come in. It's pretty much a never-ending cycle.

At 6/25/08 07:55 PM, gamerpeepinpa wrote: I guess you could call me a General regular. I try my hardest to keep the place clean, but there's pretty much no use in it, there will always be a stream of new, shit users coming in, eventually maturing, as another stream of new, shit users come in. It's pretty much a never-ending cycle.

I can't say im really going to become a regular there ever again. I like it here alot better.

At 6/25/08 07:09 PM, Wylo wrote: I'm not here to stop you with your plans, I just feel like ranting.

Bravo Wylo. That rant had the most sense I've seen in this topic so far.

At 6/25/08 07:55 PM, gamerpeepinpa wrote: I guess you could call me a General regular. I try my hardest to keep the place clean, but there's pretty much no use in it, there will always be a stream of new, shit users coming in, eventually maturing, as another stream of new, shit users come in. It's pretty much a never-ending cycle.

New users become shit users because they see that's what you are supposed to be here. When a new user goes to the General Forum, the first experience they get is rejection and hate. After whining a bit about how users here are mean, sick, perverted, etc; they start getting used to it and eventually grow to see it as normal behavior.

Give it a few weeks/months and you got yourself another typical General Forum shithead (sorry), loaded to the teeth with memes, cock jokes, hatred and spam.

At 6/25/08 08:03 PM, 36Holla wrote:

At 6/25/08 07:09 PM, Wylo wrote: I'm not here to stop you with your plans, I just feel like ranting.

Bravo Wylo. That rant had the most sense I've seen in this topic so far.

Well now that i look back at most of this thread, it's just all ranting about how bad it is and i relize now that i was taking part in it. And now feel stupid.

At 6/25/08 08:06 PM, idiot-buster wrote:

At 6/25/08 08:03 PM, 36Holla wrote:

At 6/25/08 07:09 PM, Wylo wrote: I'm not here to stop you with your plans, I just feel like ranting.

Bravo Wylo. That rant had the most sense I've seen in this topic so far.

Well now that i look back at most of this thread, it's just all ranting about how bad it is and i relize now that i was taking part in it. And now feel stupid.

The first step to fixing something is finding the problem. Most of the people here think that General needs fixing. It makes sense that you'd say what you dislike about General first.
So what exactly do we think the problem is people? Point form will simplify it, we can figure out solutions later.

What I find annoying are the corrupted users who post shit. I don't mind those stupid topics, as long as they're not extremely immature and stupid like that topic YoungandWise posted on page 2, it's mainly the annoying replies. I think to "fix" the general forum, you'd need to show good example more than anything. After all, example is what made all the immature users immature.

Another thing that pisses me off: Being a mature user doesn't necessarily mean having perfect grammar and spelling, having a big vocabulary, and having a quick wit. That's seems to be the belief of many General users. I've seen many shit users post who fit the criteria above. No, being mature means that you contribute something valuable to a thread. This, on the other hand, isn't a mature user:

New User: "guys, how do i upload a pic?"

"Mature" User: "Either you're mentally retarded, or your mother dropped you when you were born. Do us all a big favor, click that red X on the top-right corner of your screen, and never use a computer again, for surely you are too much of an idiot to use one, even touch one."

Seriously, just help the poor guy out, don't flame him to oblivion. Not everyone is as tech-savvy as you may be. Sometimes, I think people do it just for show, like they derive this sense of superiority over everyone else because "owned a noob" with their "quick wit" and "big vocabulary."

Same goes for the grammar nazis.

At 6/25/08 08:33 PM, gamerpeepinpa wrote: Another thing that pisses me off: Being a mature user doesn't necessarily mean having perfect grammar and spelling

I agree... But if you're a mature person, you'll be inclined to use good grammar and spelling, but good grammar does NOT make you a mature person unless your content is mature. I don't expect everyone to be boring though, I love seeing funny posts but there are many immature posts which are not funny at all, far from it.

At 6/25/08 08:38 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: I agree... But if you're a mature person, you'll be inclined to use good grammar and spelling, but good grammar does NOT make you a mature person unless your content is mature. I don't expect everyone to be boring though, I love seeing funny posts but there are many immature posts which are not funny at all, far from it.

Yeah, I just feel like people put too much emphasis on grammar and spelling, when they should be focusing more on quality.

At 6/25/08 08:42 PM, gamerpeepinpa wrote:

At 6/25/08 08:38 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: I agree... But if you're a mature person, you'll be inclined to use good grammar and spelling, but good grammar does NOT make you a mature person unless your content is mature. I don't expect everyone to be boring though, I love seeing funny posts but there are many immature posts which are not funny at all, far from it.

Yeah, I just feel like people put too much emphasis on grammar and spelling, when they should be focusing more on quality.

But you can't be posting complete giberish either, like spelling words wrong on purpose to look all cool and stuff.

At 6/25/08 08:48 PM, idiot-buster wrote: But you can't be posting complete giberish either, like spelling words wrong on purpose to look all cool and stuff.

True, but posting some form of "With grammar like that, I'd say you're in...2nd grade?" in every thread you see isn't the way to go either.

At 6/25/08 07:41 PM, YoungAndWise wrote: @Wylo

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9279 48

I rest my case.

I'm not trying to piss you off but I seriously don't understand your case. The guy knew what he was doing. He posted what he wanted to, using his right to free speech on NG. It was far from ban-worthy. People responded. People may get banned by mods, which I doubt will happen since the mods let a lot of stuff slide. People like you, decided to ignore the thread. The thread gets shoved off the 1st page just like the hundred other topics that aren't worthy enough. Life goes on.

In fact this thread illustrates two important issues The main issue I see is that there aren't enough mods and/or they aren't strict enough.

The secondary issue is if you were really trying to be a model poster, you'd provide something palpable to that thread like a short experience because it takes people to respond to every single thread like that even if if the OP pisses them off with their lack of language skills to make people realise that its fun to contribute. Its not just picking interesting topics, its making sucky topics like that thread really interesting. Otherwise, the OP and others will not be influenced since they will never have met you. If anyone has the dedication to do that 100% of the time they are on the General, I tip my hat to you and will fully support you.

You are right.

I remember the way it was a few years ago, when you could go onto the general board and there would always be interesting topics to talk in. But now, you see a lot of boring, un-interesting subjects popping up left and right. Now most of the time I just get bored with the BBS and I end up going to /b/. The rules have gotten a hell of a lot more strict, mostly due to the fact that n00bs plague this message board as if it's their own personal playground. With these extra rules popping up every day, it gets harder and harder to talk about what you want to say, because you'll most likely get banned for it.

At 6/25/08 09:09 PM, Wylo wrote: I'm not trying to piss you off but I seriously don't understand your case.

I don't get pissed off easily :)

The guy knew what he was doing. He posted what he wanted to, using his right to free speech on NG. It was far from ban-worthy. People responded. People may get banned by mods, which I doubt will happen since the mods let a lot of stuff slide. People like you, decided to ignore the thread. The thread gets shoved off the 1st page just like the hundred other topics that aren't worthy enough. Life goes on.

I wasn't implying that the thread itself was rubbish. I just thought it was a good example of what happens to a topic in general: people trying to outsmart the OP, spam, short replies for a +1, and most importantly: not a single post worth 2 cents.

This is what we have to deal with, and that's why I posted that link.

In fact this thread illustrates two important issues The main issue I see is that there aren't enough mods and/or they aren't strict enough.

I couldn't agree more. But increasing the amount of mods won't solve the problem. We need people that can actively watch the forums and accurately enforce the rules. I know a few good mods, but most of then can't be on the BBS for much time. And I know mods who spend a lot on the BBS but (no offense) don't do much with the stuff spawning.

The secondary issue is if you were really trying to be a model poster, you'd provide something palpable to that thread like a short experience because it takes people to respond to every single thread like that even if if the OP pisses them off with their lack of language skills to make people realise that its fun to contribute. Its not just picking interesting topics, its making sucky topics like that thread really interesting. Otherwise, the OP and others will not be influenced since they will never have met you. If anyone has the dedication to do that 100% of the time they are on the General, I tip my hat to you and will fully support you.

Why, my friend, that is precisely what I've suggested a few pages ago! My suggestion was to bring intelligent discussion to threads by posting interesting, well thought replies that provided a satisfying answer to the OP and encouraged discussion.

Truth being told, I didn't post in that one thread for fear of topic deletion. Although the topic itself wasn't worth of deleting, it had questionable posts in there. I also lacked something interesting to add at the moment. But that's why we are trying to unite, so that when some of us can't bring life a topic, someone else does it.

At least I am glad that we are having similar points of view on things now. All that's left is less talking and more action.

True, but posting some form of "With grammar like that, I'd say you're in...2nd grade?" in every thread you see isn't the way to go either.

Ya you don't need to go around policing the place either.

I do have to say the general forum is horrible. Although it is, it can also be quite fun sometimes. But most of the time, you try to make a serious topic and everyone spams it with dicks and porn.

At 6/25/08 10:10 PM, Scooter245 wrote: I do have to say the general forum is horrible. Although it is, it can also be quite fun sometimes. But most of the time, you try to make a serious topic and everyone spams it with dicks and porn.

I think we have alredy established this in the past pages of the topic, which therefor no need to rant about it, before posting try to read some of the other posts in the topic and not just saying things that have been said several times before.

I am so sleepy that for a second I read the title as ''Why Gerald Is Bald''... I think I need some sleep.

Did I mention I have an Orthography contest tomorrow morning at 8:30? It's supposed to be a progressive contest in which you have to pass different stages until you go to the final one which is International (Hispanic countries for me). I recently won 1st place in the first stage, and now I am going to compete in the second stage which is against all the schools of the city...

So, yeah... need to sleep... getting out off topic... loosing signal... bye--

I love the discussion guys. I was surprised to see how long this got. This is more of what would like to see in the general, even if it's only a few topics here and there.

And I think the moderators to a terrific job. I can only imagine how hard it is to get rid of all the spam or anything else that deserves deletion. I also imagine they let a lot of things go because they are sick of people complaining about being banned or getting their topic locked, etc..

At 6/25/08 10:10 PM, Scooter245 wrote: I do have to say the general forum is horrible. Although it is, it can also be quite fun sometimes. But most of the time, you try to make a serious topic and everyone spams it with dicks and porn.

Yeah, I agree.

I want you guys to know that I don't want to completely fix general, because that task is impossible in itself. I don't want to try and stop spammers or alts either because their whole purpose is to create trouble. What I want to stop is the newer users coming in and everything they see is just spam and cock jokes. They think it's the right way to post and just start to post just for the post count. My idea was if that they saw the right way to post that maybe, just maybe they may understand that + 1ing really isn't the right way to post. Not only can you do this by making quality posts in general, but you can do it by taking a user and PMing them. You can tell them what they are doing and what they should be doing and I promise you that some of them will listen. Even if it's a very small amount then you have at least helped a little, and a little is better then nothing at all.

I think a main part of the problem is the maturity level of the average user. They still think cock jokes are funny. Hell, when I started going to General, almost every other topic was about masturbation. It gets old, but a lot of the users weren't around long enough to realize that.

And now that I think of it, the 10000-post forum joke might have been a bad idea, although it has been going on for a long time, and the mods went along with it.

At 6/25/08 08:26 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: I think to "fix" the general forum, you'd need to show good example more than anything.

It's become rather hard for me to try. It's hard for me to be arsed into even posting in a typical topic in general. Or even a popular one (like Elios' 'penis piercing' thread).

Making topics doesn't come by me a lot either, since it's hard to be creative to thing of something and may spark interesting responses.

Though I could fire up my old 'evil twin generator' thing when its anniversary comes around, just to give me a reason to go there...

At 6/25/08 10:37 PM, LordZeebmork wrote: I think a main part of the problem is the maturity level of the average user.

What do you expect, they're stupid teenagers with raging hormones. Hell, had I come here at 14 I would have been no different than they are.

They still think cock jokes are funny.

Sometimes they are. But only on rare occasions, and when they're good (making it even rarer).

Hell, when I started going to General, almost every other topic was about masturbation.

Isn't that pretty much the way it still is? It's wither masturbation,

It gets old, but a lot of the users weren't around long enough to realize that.

And now that I think of it, the 10000-post forum joke might have been a bad idea, although it has been going on for a long time, and the mods went along with it.

Isn't that the way it seems to be with most bad jokes? They seem like a good idea at the time, but later they're proved to be total shit.

At 6/25/08 11:53 PM, SoulMaster71 tried to write:

At 6/25/08 10:37 PM, LordZeebmork wrote:

Sometimes they are. But only on rare occasions, and when they're good (making it even rarer).

Hell, when I started going to General, almost every other topic was about masturbation.

Isn't that pretty much the way it still is? It's either masturbation, cock jokes, or other penis-related content; some shit troll attempt; or somebody complaining about the state of NG.

Dammit, the one time I don't proofread my post and I screw up big time! Ah well, here's the fixed version.

There are still some interesting topics posted on the General forum I just have little interest in them anymore because I hardly recognize anyone.

Feels like everyone went off to college in other places and I got left behind.

At 6/25/08 11:39 AM, LordZeebmork wrote: There really isn't anything to save in General.

I'd have to disagree with that. Most of the people who come to the BBS start in General. Without it, they wouldn't have gotten a few bans under their belts and made the progression to the proper forums within this BBS.

It can be saved, but the Mods really need to crack down on users being dickheads - non-mods need to direct users to proper parts of the forums in an orderly fashion and if the mods deleted posts for major infractions, rather than just locking the threads, people would get the message

I don't see any reason not to just let it rot.

I say it can be saved and made into a better place, but it needs moderators with backbone, who are willing to stand up to the spam.

At 6/26/08 04:08 AM, Coop83 wrote:

At 6/25/08 11:39 AM, LordZeebmork wrote: There really isn't anything to save in General.

I'd have to disagree with that. Most of the people who come to the BBS start in General. Without it, they wouldn't have gotten a few bans under their belts and made the progression to the proper forums within this BBS.

Ya i started in the general fourms at first. I got several bans and started putting effort into my posts. slowly I moved here where i make most of my posts now.

I don't see any reason not to just let it rot.

It would be nice to see the general become nice place again.

I say it can be saved and made into a better place, but it needs moderators with backbone, who are willing to stand up to the spam.

Most mod's now just lock threads without giving a good reason why, and newer user's don't learn from there mistakes.

Once in a while a really old thread gets bumped, or I look at some of the first few threads.
It seems to me like Newgrounds was like a little community back then. Maybe it was because most people were flash artists, or it was just that much smaller and everybody knew everybody. But it looked like everybody had something in common.

My biggest beef is with people who come from places like MySpace and call Newgrounds a piece of shit compared to MySpace. One of the most recent users was riskyjoker, he also has two alts. I was yay close to making some racist comments just to piss him off. The only reason I didn't is because I knew I'd be getting a week or maybe even 30 days. I don't think any of his threads get locked and I don't even know if he's been banned. But most of his threads IMO should have been destroyed.

Most of the users do contribute to a thread when there is actually something to contribute.
I make a thread about a new anti-energy drink and asked for their opinion on it, I got some pretty good responses, and some of them even gave me a little more insight into a couple of the ingredients that make you relax.

Some of the problems I've noticed is a lack of variety in General. The two biggest things in the last week were Rate Me topics and Country VS. Country threads. I don't really think anyone knows what to talk about anymore. Even I have a tough time making decent topics, though I try, they usually only get a page of responses. I've maybe made five topics my year and a half of being here.

At 6/26/08 01:55 AM, Masculine wrote: There are still some interesting topics posted on the General forum I just have little interest in them anymore because I hardly recognize anyone.

It's sad that there arn't to meny users form your time still vary active like you.