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At 6/16/08 10:04 PM, Dei-Sama wrote:

At 6/16/08 10:00 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Stop playing the victim card. lol ww2

Innocent parents and children and senior citizens who are killed in unnecessary strike are not victims ?

Why don't you eat your own words. Again, Pearl Harbor.

At 6/16/08 10:04 PM, Dei-Sama wrote:

At 6/16/08 10:00 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Stop playing the victim card. lol ww2

Innocent parents and children and senior citizens who are killed in unnecessary strike are not victims ?

They are, but it wasn't all that unnecessary. Japan struck out, U.S. tried retaliated.
Both countries suffered losses..victims that had nothing to do with the war. It's the leaders. Blame the government >:D

At 6/16/08 10:02 PM, RaharuHaruha wrote:

At 6/16/08 09:59 PM, Dei-Sama wrote:

At 6/16/08 09:57 PM, Tresent wrote: Sorry, we had to make an example out of you to the world.

Both country's are to blame.

You can not justify that even if you try hard.

Don't be mad just because you picked the wrong side, bitch.

This made lol, considering the fact that your username is from a Japanese anime.

Sorry.. I can't stop laughing.

At 6/16/08 10:11 PM, Sharingan-Devil wrote: This made lol, considering the fact that your username is from a Japanese anime.

Sorry.. I can't stop laughing.

Yatta!

At 6/16/08 10:13 PM, RaharuHaruha wrote:

At 6/16/08 10:11 PM, Sharingan-Devil wrote: This made lol, considering the fact that your username is from a Japanese anime.

Sorry.. I can't stop laughing.

Yatta!

Yosh! Lawl.. oh you..

At 6/16/08 09:45 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: So an entire country of 305 million people can be condemned based on the actions of 3 individuals, who were going AGAINST orders and AGAINST the codes of conduct of the US military demanded of them? They broke the rules and fucked with a few prisoners.

Everyone breaks the rules, buddy. I know I do. And it's because the incidents like these that give America it's name to other countries.

This doesn't negatively reflect on the US military.

lol.

This doesn't negatively reflect on the US.

Maybe not, but in perspective, people will frown upon us.

It was the actions of individuals.

Yeah, the American individuals. Not the Brittish, not the Jappanese, not the fucking Australians.

However, according to your logic, I can safely say that all British people brutally, and fiendishly beat and bludgeon children. Therefore the UK... or rather.. all of EUROPE is filled with child beating psychos and Europeans should be saying "I hate the continent I live in".

You lost the point. If you don't want to believe me, I am not going to force it on you.

At 6/16/08 10:11 PM, Sharingan-Devil wrote: Sorry.. I can't stop laughing.

Me neither!

Oh, the irony..

At 6/16/08 10:14 PM, Sharingan-Devil wrote:

At 6/16/08 10:13 PM, RaharuHaruha wrote:

At 6/16/08 10:11 PM, Sharingan-Devil wrote: This made lol, considering the fact that your username is from a Japanese anime.

Sorry.. I can't stop laughing.

Yatta!

Yosh! Lawl.. oh you..

lulz I just get made when people are so ignorant. The average American isn't mean, but so many people who think that usually go up to Americans they know and say "oh hai, u from american? y u bomb my country?" And we're like... fuck you.

At 6/16/08 10:08 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Innocent soldiers at peacetime attacked by Japanese planes without warning are not victims? We warned Japan of what we were going to do, you saw the signs and could have quit your war machine. But alas, you did not, and due to your country's pride we were forced to strike not one but two of your cities.

Soldiers are to fight and death is a thing to expect .. parents and children and elderly are not. It is an unnecessary thing ..

I am not trying to defend my country for Pearl Harbour .. It is wrong to start violence always. I am saying it is unnecessary - that attack on Nagasaki and Hiroshima...

At 6/16/08 10:17 PM, Dei-Sama wrote: I am not trying to defend my country for Pearl Harbour .. It is wrong to start violence always. I am saying it is unnecessary - that attack on Nagasaki and Hiroshima...

We all just explained why it wasn't unnecessary, sometimes I think this guy is just a troll. Never actually making any kind of sensible argument but just constantly replying to keep the argument going.

At 6/16/08 09:32 PM, AntiChristSuperFuck wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_
torture_and_prisoner_abuse

Old news

Found one

At 6/16/08 10:22 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 6/16/08 09:32 PM, AntiChristSuperFuck wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_
torture_and_prisoner_abuse

Old news

Found one

Oh, how clever. You might lead someone to believe that this topic does not have a deeper meaning other than, nominally, the Abu Ghraib prison incident.

Found one.

At 6/16/08 10:17 PM, Dei-Sama wrote:

At 6/16/08 10:08 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Innocent soldiers at peacetime attacked by Japanese planes without warning are not victims? We warned Japan of what we were going to do, you saw the signs and could have quit your war machine. But alas, you did not, and due to your country's pride we were forced to strike not one but two of your cities.

Soldiers are to fight and death is a thing to expect .. parents and children and elderly are not. It is an unnecessary thing ..

I am not trying to defend my country for Pearl Harbour .. It is wrong to start violence always. I am saying it is unnecessary - that attack on Nagasaki and Hiroshima...

See, I have to disagree with that. We've already proven that an invasion of Japan would have killed millions, and that the nukes only killed 200 thousand people. So I wonder, what else should we have done if the nukes were not necessary? The sad truth is, even after one nuke your country did not surrender. So it is very clear that the nukes WERE necessary, as your country refused to surrender after the first one.

At 6/16/08 10:04 PM, Dei-Sama wrote:

At 6/16/08 10:00 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Stop playing the victim card. lol ww2

Innocent parents and children and senior citizens who are killed in unnecessary strike are not victims ?

I wish you could say the same for the chinese your people killed

Hypocrite

Heres my fucking drunk ass theory on the subject. If you own a computer than you probably live in America. 50% of the world is America. The UK is nothing but a big fucking American state like North Dakota, or Canada. Europe=USA, Western Hemisphere=America,

all your bases belong to us.

At 6/16/08 10:24 PM, AntiChristSuperFuck wrote:

Honestly, how long did it take you to find out? It was all over the news in 2004 and you have to be either under a rock or some place else to not know about it until now.

You know what, none of use are going to win this argument, becuase politics is just like the game, you never win. The only way you win is by not dicussing it/remembering it, but as soon as somebody else mentions it everything turns into a flame war. People are brainwashed into thinking that their side of the argument is right, and the other is wrong, but in reality neither will ever be right in any aspect, because neither side can shut the fuck up and see the other side.

thus why I never go to the politics board.

At 6/16/08 10:16 PM, AntiChristSuperFuck wrote:

At 6/16/08 09:45 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: So an entire country of 305 million people can be condemned based on the actions of 3 individuals, who were going AGAINST orders and AGAINST the codes of conduct of the US military demanded of them? They broke the rules and fucked with a few prisoners.

Everyone breaks the rules, buddy. I know I do. And it's because the incidents like these that give America it's name to other countries.

No, what gives America its bad reputation to other countries is that since the US is a superpower, people have an added incentive to exaggerate the wrong doing of the US. People are LOOKING for something to point their finger at the US for, they'll take anything they can get their hands

- British soldiers beat Iraqi children. Is there gigantic international uproar over it? Nope, the most you're going to hear is "shame on those dudes" basically. Has anyone seriously condemned the entire UK military or UK population based on that event that is arguably worse than Abu Ghraib? Nope. Not at all.

- American soldiers beat Iraqi detainees and humiliate them with comical sexual torture... Everyone in the world, including British people, condemn the US and say that this single instance constitutes "proof" that the US military and the United States as a whole is evil and wrong.

It's not only a double standard, but it's intentionally ignorant, self-delusion. The moment America is in the equation, people cease thinking objectively and logically and begin to make whatever thinking error they need in order to accommodate their preexisting, anti-US bias.

This doesn't negatively reflect on the US military.

lol.

It doesn't.

The codes of conduct in the US Army, as well as the training manual for treating detainees specifically forbids soldiers from doing what the soldiers at Abu Ghraib did. The soldiers who were involved BROKE those rules, they were Court Marshalled, dishonorably discharged, and PUT IN PRISON.

If you decided to break the law right now and you assaulted someone, would that negatively reflect on your community? Would it negatively reflect on your state, or the US? No... it would negatively reflect on you because your behavior went AGAINST the rules.

This doesn't negatively reflect on the US.

Maybe not, but in perspective, people will frown upon us.

And people will "frown upon us" no matter what we do. In fact, if we do nothing that could possibly be frowned upon, people will make shit up and blame the US for it to "frown upon us" anyway. People WANT the US to do wrong, they want to hate the US, because it makes them feel better about the fact that the US is the world's superpower and their country isn't.

Simple human behavior, people will always have an irrational bias against the person they are envious of.

It was the actions of individuals.

Yeah, the American individuals. Not the Brittish, not the Jappanese, not the fucking Australians.

Apply that logic to anything else.

According to you, Canada can be blamed for a Canadian rapist, France can be blamed for an French murderer etc... that means that all countries in the world, according to your logic, are intrinsically horrible, because all countries have rapists and murderers.

Nobody else would ever, ever blame a country based on the actions of a few of its individuals. People will only do it to the US, because they have a mind-bending, fervent and fiendish desire to attack the US.

However, according to your logic, I can safely say that all British people brutally, and fiendishly beat and bludgeon children. Therefore the UK... or rather.. all of EUROPE is filled with child beating psychos and Europeans should be saying "I hate the continent I live in".

You lost the point.

Your point is nonexistent.

If you don't want to believe me, I am not going to force it on you.

Believe what?

I never denied that Abu Ghraib took place. What I did was show that blaming the US as a whole for it is stupid.

At 6/16/08 10:29 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: Honestly, how long did it take you to find out? It was all over the news in 2004 and you have to be either under a rock or some place else to not know about it until now.

Oh, how clever. You might lead someone to believe that this topic does not have a deeper meaning other than, nominally, the Abu Ghraib prison incident.

Found one.

At 6/16/08 10:30 PM, AntiChristSuperFuck wrote: Same response as before

Forget it, there's no point arguing with you since you fail to answer my question

Sits back and watch

At 6/16/08 10:30 PM, AntiChristSuperFuck wrote: .

Oh, how clever. You might lead someone to believe that this topic does not have a deeper meaning other than, nominally, the Abu Ghraib prison incident.

Found one.

The only thing this thread is deep in is bullshit.

You know what? Celladoor, you've informed me and I really appreciate it.

Because it's confusing, with all the noise, sometimes I can hardly tell what's actually going on.

Idiot-finder, you're an idiot.

Hey, I actually like America, besides all the sterotypical shit because of a few dumbasses here and there, I'm having a good life, and it's all about ME.

At 6/16/08 10:02 PM, Orange-Jews wrote:

At 6/16/08 09:45 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

So an entire country of 305 million people can be condemned based on the actions of 3 individuals, who were going AGAINST orders and AGAINST the codes of conduct of the US military demanded of them? They broke the rules and fucked with a few prisoners.

This doesn't negatively reflect on the US military.
This doesn't negatively reflect on the US.
It was the actions of individuals.

However, according to your logic, I can safely say that all British people brutally, and fiendishly beat and bludgeon children. Therefore the UK... or rather.. all of EUROPE is filled with child beating psychos and Europeans should be saying "I hate the continent I live in".

I agree with you on this one, and i mean... its a few degrading nude pics here and there... some humiliating acts... Whatever. Just TRY to imagine what Iraqi terrorists would do if they had a few US soldiers hostage.

they'd behead the hostages.
it was real saddening when i heard of all of those on the news a few years back. made me wanna go over there myself and put a bullet in the terrorists' heads
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At 6/16/08 10:39 PM, TheGreat3stNameEver wrote: made me wanna go over there myself and put a bullet in the terrorists' heads

Then join the U.S. Army!

U.S.A., U.S.A.,U.S.A. !

At 6/16/08 10:36 PM, AntiChristSuperFuck wrote: You know what? Celladoor, you've informed me and I really appreciate it.

Mission accomplished.

My work here is done.

At 6/16/08 09:42 PM, Cericon wrote: I hate America.

Dont we all?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/polit ics/3675215.stm
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht ml?sec=health&res=9F02E1DC1230F934A15752 C1A962958260

Now stop acting like America is the only country with a bunch of fucked up dipshits.

THIS THREAD IS FULL OF IDIOTS.
Along with the American people, for being dumbfucks about torturing people.
I mean, c'mon. Have enough sense NOT to take pictures of this shit.
Seriously.
And for the rest of you motherfuckers, get with it.
Read the whole topic, then think about what you're going to reply with,
don't have diarrhea of the hands and brain.

At 6/16/08 09:54 PM, Dei-Sama wrote:

At 6/16/08 09:51 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: And up until "mean" America defeated your country, you were slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people across Asia and cutting people's heads off with Katanas.

People of America killed millions of innocent persons in my country for that war that could end with no nuclear strike. That is mean.

The emperor of japan would rather let every person die before he would surrender.
A nuke made him think.

He probably feared for his own life.