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I'm looking for a good piano synth/ROMpler. Let's all face it, for those of us who use FL Studio, FL Keys is pretty lame. Any suggestions on what I should get + link?

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If you get nexus, it has alot of VERY nice piano sounds

Here is a song that uses one of the piano sounds almost exclusively if you want to hear what it can sound like
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At 6/15/08 08:47 PM, zellers wrote: I'm looking for a good piano synth/ROMpler. Let's all face it, for those of us who use FL Studio, FL Keys is pretty lame. Any suggestions on what I should get + link?

I'd suggest Kontakt3.

Best sampler out there, imo.

If the price is a little much, you can also look into getting a student copy from Studica.

As long as you can come up with a student ID of just about any kind, then you can qualify.

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Posted at: 6/15/08 09:20 PM

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the grande 2 is pretty nice.

the pianos in garritan are too if you have the processing power to run them,..

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At 6/15/08 09:20 PM, Chronamut wrote:
the pianos in garritan are too if you have the processing power to run them,..

That's what I use :D


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At 6/15/08 08:59 PM, LJCoffee wrote:
At 6/15/08 08:47 PM, zellers wrote: I'm looking for a good piano synth/ROMpler. Let's all face it, for those of us who use FL Studio, FL Keys is pretty lame. Any suggestions on what I should get + link?
I'd suggest Kontakt3.

Best sampler out there, imo.

Woohoo! I have that plus the EW piano samples.


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Yeh the EastWest sampled steinberg is really nice, if you have that knid of money. I use my yamaha electric piano, or one of the presets on my JUNO-G, so i can't really talk


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I use 4-Front Piano Module. Its free, easy and sounds really good!

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At 6/16/08 05:25 AM, Nintechno wrote: I use 4-Front Piano Module. Its free, easy and sounds really good!

I've used that in quite a few of my pieces, it has quite a dominating sound, but at the same time it sounds like one of them honky-tonk pianos that used to play over silent movies. It's not very expressive though, so it's not good for soft flowing pieces.


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At 6/16/08 05:45 AM, Love-Hate-War wrote:
At 6/16/08 05:25 AM, Nintechno wrote: I use 4-Front Piano Module. Its free, easy and sounds really good!
I've used that in quite a few of my pieces, it has quite a dominating sound, but at the same time it sounds like one of them honky-tonk pianos that used to play over silent movies. It's not very expressive though, so it's not good for soft flowing pieces.

True, its better for techno/trance/dance tracks because it has that "cheaper" (I hate too sound condescending) sound that fits better in those eletronica styles. Ihere's a realtively good steinway soundfont out there, not sure if it has layered dynamics though.


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buy the East West Silver Orchester for a really low price and get a nice Steinway B which I use aswell.


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I think it was Nav who posted this freeware piano VST which sounds really good. But be warned, it's a CPU hog.


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Dsk Akoustik Piano
http://www.dskmusic.com/blog/
It is a free piano vst and it sounds good and veen better after you add the delay and reeverb plugin.

I use this for all piano.


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I generally just use the sampled grand in Reason 4.0, but if I need the subtle nuances, i'll just get audio out from my Yamaha CLP-280. Both sound pretty decent.


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I use Edirol. Good realistic sound

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i use 4front piano module. the best free one is either 4front or mda piano imo. i don't know about the commercial ones (yet).


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FL KEYS FTW. Actrally, I haven't used pianos much lately.

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At 6/17/08 10:17 AM, xKore wrote: FL KEYS FTW.

HELLS YEAH!!
That is, if you think that a sawtooth modulated by a square with a little reverb sounds just like strings... or that a few detuned saws and a formant filter sounds exactly like a choir... :D

Convincing pianos can be synthesized but there are only a small number of synths that sound as good as accurate sampling. All opinion though... I have heard synths that sound very much like real instruments but it's usually due to some creative sonic smearing with a few post filters.

Keep in mind that this post is 64.2% shit, 26.3% exaggeration and 9.5% pure unadulterated lies.

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At 6/16/08 08:23 AM, DzGuy wrote: I think it was Nav who posted this freeware piano VST which sounds really good. But be warned, it's a CPU hog.

Isn't that just a sampler though? If not, I'll definetly have to check it out.


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At 6/18/08 04:48 AM, Lance wrote: Isn't that just a sampler though? If not, I'll definetly have to check it out.

I think it is. I only used it for a couple minutes before uninstalling it (pc too slow :( ). Sounds way better than 4front or mda though.


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At 6/17/08 01:05 PM, LJCoffee wrote: Keep in mind that this post is 64.2% shit, 26.3% exaggeration and 9.5% pure unadulterated lies.

That's a lower shit percentage than usual then?


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I believe it is or something along those lines. Its a bunch of different soundfonts. Theres a piano soundfont on there that isn't bad which I used in Heaven Rd. 2.

Of course now I use nexus.

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If budget isn't an issue, then take a good look at Quantum Leap Pianos. You WILL need an extremely powerful computer, however. Their recommended system requirements are: Core 2 Duo 2.5Ghz or faster processor, 4GB RAM, sound card with ASIO drivers, 64-bit OS and host. Keep in mind those requirements are to run just the pianos comfortably, with few (if any) sounds from other sources. I'd STRONGLY encourage putting these sounds on their own hard drive for best performance. As of right now, I think these are the gold standard of piano samples.

Going down in quality just a bit, you've got Synthology Ivory and Native Instrument's Akoustik Piano. Both of those will run in anywhere from $100-200 cheaper than QL Pianos, and require significantly less power. They still will need a modern computer, but you should be able to run them fine, even if you don't have a quad core and 8 gig of ram. Aim for a fast dual-core, and 4 gig of ram if possible. They're pretty affordable now, and have really great quality.

Next down the ladder you have smaller stand-alone piano packages, like Steinberg's The Grand 2, and the Bosendorfer 290. They have pretty equal quality to Ivory and Akoustik Piano, but don't include multiple pianos. You can find these from $100-200, depending on where you look. For best results, you'd want at least 2 gig of ram and a modern dual core processor. I'd personally recommend 4 gig for this (assuming you're going to be running it with other instruments), but 2 gig should be alright.

Keep going down and you'll get to the pianos included in general sampling packages. Garritan's Personal Orchestra has one, EWQL Silver has one, and several other orchestral libraries include one. The piano will sound quite synthetic if it's by itself (any trained pianist will be able to tell it's fake very easily), but these pianos are still pretty good quality, and fit nicely into a full-bodied mix. These don't require much processing power at all. If you get your hands on one of these, I'd recommend 1 gig of ram, and a modest dual-core processor (even a fast single-core will do well with these) for the piano and minimal other instruments. If you think you'll be using a lot of instruments in addition to these, aim for 2+ gig and a dual-core.

At the bottom of the ladder are the Soundfont/free VST pianos. I hate to generalize, but I've yet to come across any pianos that fall into this categories that are even remotely convincing. If you have an aging computer, or a very limited budget, this is your category.

If you're a typical user (and have a typical computer), you should find yourself falling somewhere in the middle of the ladder. The Grand 2 is very nice and very affordable, and won't require a bleeding-edge pc. the Bosendorfer 290 is also another great choice, although I'd argue that the Steinway piano is more flexible as a whole. Bosendorfers are wonderful pianos, but they do have a very powerful sound that may not be suited for what you're writing.

Hope you find what you're looking for!


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Garritans isn't half bad, considering the bang for your buck you get with the bundled... orchestra. There are a few 'buzzy' notes but they're hardly noticable.

My personal favorite - for any practical usage - at the moment is Reason Pianos. Quantum is a fantastic VST, but it's just totally impractical. You need a spare 30gb hard drive space in order to install the whole package, and even then, a monster computer just to run it with any other instruments.

Reason pianos isn't as realistic as really dedicated piano VSTi's, but it has to its disposal all of Reasons powerful built in effects processors, so you can tweak it to make it sound exactly as you want - which in my mind is a distinct advantage over the 'Exact piano' sound you get with some VSTi's. Sure, you could put Quantum through a few effects processors, but have fun scraping what's left of your processor of the walls with a spatula.


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I stick with Hypersonic It also has a LOT more sounds other then piano. Bass, Acoustic Guitar, Electric Guitar, Bass, Pads, Synths (Techno,Trance,Hip-Hop,Goa...etc)


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At 6/18/08 11:46 AM, Khuskan wrote:
Reason pianos isn't as realistic as really dedicated piano VSTi's, but it has to its disposal all of Reasons powerful built in effects processors, so you can tweak it to make it sound exactly as you want - which in my mind is a distinct advantage over the 'Exact piano' sound you get with some VSTi's. Sure, you could put Quantum through a few effects processors, but have fun scraping what's left of your processor of the walls with a spatula.

Haha I love the analogy! Within a full mix, the difference between the Reason Piano and QL Pianos may not be worth the money and processing power, but there are some instances where it would be totally worth it. For one, any solo piano piece using Reason's Piano would be put to shame compared to QL Pianos. That's not to say it isn't good- the Nocturne I wrote here on Newgrounds uses just Reason's Piano, and I do think it sounds pretty good for what it is.

It really comes down to your needs, and your resources. If you have 8 powerful computers chained together, The quality gain vs. computer performance drop could certainly be worth it. But, for most users here (and in general), it makes much more sense to pick something a bit more modest, like Steinberg's The Grand 2.


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At 6/18/08 06:03 PM, DavidOrr wrote: Haha I love the analogy! Within a full mix, the difference between the Reason Piano and QL Pianos may not be worth the money and processing power, but there are some instances where it would be totally worth it. For one, any solo piano piece using Reason's Piano would be put to shame compared to QL Pianos. That's not to say it isn't good- the Nocturne I wrote here on Newgrounds uses just Reason's Piano, and I do think it sounds pretty good for what it is.

It really comes down to your needs, and your resources. If you have 8 powerful computers chained together, The quality gain vs. computer performance drop could certainly be worth it. But, for most users here (and in general), it makes much more sense to pick something a bit more modest, like Steinberg's The Grand 2.

I really do like the QL pianos. I really do. They sound amazing on their own. But I like my processor. Like having it not melt. Anyways.

Reason Pianos are my choice of piano for anything but solo work. I'm probably going to redo Virtuoso with QL soon though.

But for anything but solos, you'll see me using Reason for sheer versatility.


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