Will

[Labanzab]

What is true will? It is simply a function of our enviroment, a spiritual center, or an illusion? Are we pawns of an omnipotnent force, r do we steer our own destinirs?

[IamJacksalias]

Good question and one that many philosophers have tackled. I like to think we have free will, but you can say that I think that due to the fact that is was predermined. From a Chrisitan stand point, I believe that God gives us freewill. Without it the whole religion would make no sense. Nor would striving to become better, we never will become better because we can't; we don't have freewill to do so. Also if we don't have freewill it is a copout to do whatever we want and say we weren't at fault; after all we don't have freewill. I consider myself a student of the Kierkegard philosophy. We do have freewill and losing ourselves in the crowd is a bad idea. The only way to have a truely happy and fulfilling life is to have a relationship with God.

[shorbe]

Get me on a good day, and I think we can control our own destinies.

Get me on a bad day, and I think it's all an illusion.

shorbe

[Perdix]

At 7/4/01 02:42 AM, Labanzab wrote: What is true will? It is simply a function of our enviroment, a spiritual center, or an illusion? Are we pawns of an omnipotnent force, r do we steer our own destinirs?

The general populace doesn't want to control their own destinies, they may on the surface, but within, they don't want the responsibility.

You have as much control of your life as you choose to have. There is no force guiding us, if there was, we would not have a purpose for existance.

[IamJacksalias]

The general populace doesn't want to control their own destinies, they may on the surface, but within, they don't want the responsibility.

You have as much control of your life as you choose to have. There is no force guiding us, if there was, we would not have a purpose for existance.

Preach it !!!

[Strawberry]

At 7/4/01 02:42 AM, Labanzab wrote: What is true will? It is simply a function of our enviroment, a spiritual center, or an illusion? Are we pawns of an omnipotnent force, r do we steer our own destinirs?

You make that choice. You can become a pawn of an ominpotnent force, by not realizing you yourself choose what you do and do not do. You make your life, you choose your own destiny, you have the power to choose certain things. I admit there are some things you cannot control in your life, like my aunt. She is a healthy woman, always was, ate healthy, exercised, was in perfect health. Just until October 2000, she was diagnosed with colon cancer, it spread through her body, it was caught in time to prevent it from spreading to her brain. She could not prevent that, no matter how she tried, she is still alive, but might be passing soon. Death you cannot control, whether you live your life to fullest or let it go down the drain, you do control.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 7/4/01 05:26 PM, IamJacksalias wrote: Good question and one that many philosophers have tackled. I like to think we have free will, but you can say that I think that due to the fact that is was predermined. From a Chrisitan stand point, I believe that God gives us freewill. Without it the whole religion would make no sense.

Totally agree! I mean a religon based on a Wizard created us all and then moses making the sea split in the middle, and that if were bad then a big red guy in tights and a little fork will punish us, would make absolutely no sense if we didn't have free will... right! completly agree. Ahh satire... how i love thee.

Nor would striving to become better, we never will become better because we can't; we don't have freewill to do so. Also if we don't have freewill it is a copout to do whatever we want and say we weren't at fault; after all we don't have freewill. I consider myself a student of the Kierkegard philosophy. We do have freewill and losing ourselves in the crowd is a bad idea.

Totally agree acually.

The only way to have a truely happy and fulfilling life is to have a relationship with God.

I'm happy, My life is fufullied. And god, nope I don't belive in fairy tales. Your relgion isn't the only way to have fun.

Honestly I belive that we have a freewill, many of us do, But for some reason a free will requires that we take others to belive that same thing we do.

[shorbe]

Perdix: As I said, on a bad day...

This really could just be one big illusion. We can't say for certain one way or another, so even if it is an illusion that we have free will, it's a nice one :)

shorbe

[Freakapotimus]

At 7/4/01 02:42 AM, Labanzab wrote: What is true will?

I find it odd that people assume he meant free will, when those weren't his words at all ;)

I wrote about this on another topic one time... I'll dig it up, I'm too tired to think it all again.

[Labanzab]

At 7/6/01 01:10 AM, Freakapotimus wrote:

At 7/4/01 02:42 AM, Labanzab wrote: What is true will?

I find it odd that people assume he meant free will, when those weren't his words at all ;)

Astute observation! I was reffering to the true Will, or actual escence of a person. The reality is, about 99% of people never peel back enough layers of themselves to discover it.

[shorbe]

So define the term then. Don't use a vague, ill-defined term related to a common one, and then blame people for your lack of articulation.

Besides which, I would think any discussion of Will would have to involve some discussion of free will, since it's somewhat intrinsic.

shorbe

[Slizor]

This really could just be one big illusion. We can't say for certain one way or another, so even if it is an illusion that we have free will, it's a nice one :)

This can't be an illusion, not even the most twisted of minds would have created my school.