At 7/27/08 11:55 PM, Bjra wrote:
1) Take away 1-5 scale on all audio. make the review system the only way to give a song a score.
A reviews weight on the total score of the song is determined by whether people think its helpful or useless. A 10 from a person who gave a detailed constructive review will have significantly more weight than a review from a person who said "awesome song"
This will encourage constructive criticism.
Reviews that are useless will have absolutely no weight.
This won't work. If you have the weight of the review based on whether it's helpful or useless, then you'll have constantly fluctuating scores. Another thing is useless reviews having no weight wouldn't work either. If someone gives a good review but someone else doesn't like the song, then they can mark that review as useless and lower the score. Plus, with multiple reviews, they can do it to all the reviews they want and shape the score in their ideal way.
3) If a review is counted as useless, it is deleted and the experience points for it are lost, so 2 experience points are lost for each review deleted. This will encourage nice long reviews, constructive, and good stuff artists will like.
Another flaw. This is practically the same thing as above. If a person doesn't like a song, he can mark all the high scoring reviews as useless. Seeing as it only takes one person to mark a review as useless could mean automatic deletion. If not though, he could get a bunch of friends together and do it. It also works the other way around causing all negative reviews for a song to be deleted.
By losing experience for having reviews deleted would be dumb. If you're maxed at 10 experience points for 5 reviews and you write 10 reviews a day, and they all get deleted, then you're out of 20 experience points. Essentially by doing this you could cause users to actually LOSE experience they had before.
Though it's a good base, it's not completely thought out. Honestly I'm happy with the current system. Why? It's fairly well balanced. You may not agree. "BUT OMG ZERO VOTURRZZZZZ THEY LOWUR URR SCAWR." Everyone seems to complain about zero voters voting on a song as soon as they put a song in the portal, but honestly, do you ever pay attention to the new songs coming in and vote fairly and review every single one? No. What you guys are asking for is to change a system you aren't willing to take any initiative in. That's why it's 'not working'.
Look at the flash portal for example. They have people that vote fairly on flash every day and people never whine. Now look here. We have people that don't care to put any effort into fair voting thus causing 'zero voters to be in charge'. Which brings up another point. You refer to these people as zero bombers. They aren't zero bombers (unless of course they set out to lower your music scores daily). They're fair voters like the rest of us. I'm sure I've downvoted a few songs in my time that have caused people to come here and whine about it.
The review system in my opinion is dumb. The one thing about the current system is that it allows people who are and aren't users to vote on songs. The review system eliminates that. The current system doesn't take much time to use. Just listen to most of the song and then vote. With the review system you have to get picky with it and pull out the reasons as to why it's bad and what to improve on or why you liked it. That's something a lot of users won't take the time to do. With votes, you can accumulate hundreds, even thousands of them that will eventually balance out the score. The average song gets so few reviews as it is that even with a review system you could expect maybe 5 to 10 reviews on a song. That is, if you don't get a bad review first causing you're score to drop to zero.
One of the biggest flaws with the review system is that you expect to be rewarded for doing what you should already be doing. You complain about how no one is giving you reviews when you barely do it yourself. I don't see many songs being reviewed anymore. Maybe 1 to 3 when it's first submitted, but you're lucky to even get that. You shouldn't be motivated with experience to review people. You should be doing it already.
Those are just a few of my thoughts on the system. I tried to word it as best as I can and explain myself in the most understandable manner without any misconceptions, but I'm sure I made a mistake somewhere. I just don't think that we should give you a reason to review. If you think the song can be improved somehow, review it. Don't beg for experience. It's volunteer work, not a job.