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At 2/2/11 09:25 PM, Nechura wrote: This is exactly right. Who really gives a shit about what other people think of your music. Ultimately, the only person's opinion that matters is yours. Sure, it's nice to see your song being given great ratings but you don't need to be a popular artist to make great music. You just need to be devoted to yourself and your music.

Word Mah Brotha

The way I see it, the problem is with exposure, but not in a way that's fixable by filling the front page with more audio.

The problem is that, no matter how much you shove it in their faces, the majority of the Newgrounds community have no INCENTIVE to vote on audio. They might listen to it, and then bugger off somewhere else. If they view a flash movie, however, they GAIN something from voting. The more they vote on flash, the more they can influence the scores of other flash. The more they vote on audio...the more they vote. They don't GET anything for it, so most of them just don't bother.

This of course means that the few people who DO bother are usually either musicians themselves, or 0 bombers, which gives a pretty one-sided view, since most of the standard community excludes themselves because they just don't see the point.

That's my opinion, anyway.

ow...

I was in the middle of creating a masterpiece, but then i read your post and now i can only produce great sad :c

How about making it so that when you vote in the audio portal, you get exp just like when you vote in the Flash portal? That way you can choose to vote on 5 songs in the audio portal, 5 flash movies/games or a mix of the two. I think more people would be encouraged to visit the audio portal then.

At 2/3/11 01:31 PM, seel wrote: How about making it so that when you vote in the audio portal, you get exp just like when you vote in the Flash portal? That way you can choose to vote on 5 songs in the audio portal, 5 flash movies/games or a mix of the two. I think more people would be encouraged to visit the audio portal then.

That does sound like a good thing, but I think it takes away from what most of the artists on the site really want. While most artists are seeking numbers and stats, there is a majority of musicians who just want to know that their work is being appreciated or want critique to improve their skills.

I'm not saying that the 1-5 scale doesn't offer this in a way, but don't you think its a little empty? Someone can give my piece a 0 or a 5 or anything in between, but I would feel more justified knowing why.

If anything, I would say combine the 1-5 rating with the review rating system, make them one entity. So that you can accomodate musicians who are looking fors stats, but also those who look for praise and or criticism.

So if someone gives me a 0 and then rights:
"man diz shit suked lol"

Then I'm fine in knowing that tht person is a zero-bomber with nothing to contribute in a postive manner, even if it is criticism or a full blow dis-like of my piece. contrary to what most people think, you can tell someone that you don't like something without sounding like a complete idiot.

I could care less about what numbers I get on the site, but to know from peers and collegues what they honestly think is far greater than any 0 or 5 on a computer screen.

At 2/3/11 06:09 PM, Suezo wrote: That does sound like a good thing, but I think it takes away from what most of the artists on the site really want. While most artists are seeking numbers and stats, there is a majority of musicians who just want to know that their work is being appreciated or want critique to improve their skills.

This. Although i dont know if thats a 'majority'.

But let me tell you something funny though, im hardly active anymore on forums, i had a leave of around 3-4 months from ng and ive just returned, and still people are 0 bombing me. (hell i dont have any exposure whatsoever :') so what could possibly be the reason still)
That can only mean two things, either someone is just an incredibly childish individual with a grudge against me or this site will never change regardless of the staff trying.

or perhaps it means your music isn't as good as you think it is calamaistr and that every song on newgrounds has a shelf life before it degenerates, just like all songs did before the 2007 redesign.

your stuff isn't god - and won't stay at the top forever. Also your leaving the site means that your job at promoting your own music was lacknig, thus your fans probably didn't keep listening to your music, thus they didn't 5 your songs to balance it out.

a lot of this site is really about also promoting yourself and notifying your fans when you have new stuff out. It's not just sit back, submit and watch all the fandom flow in. It might have been that way in the past but unless you're a notorious user people won't come flooding anymore, because they may think you stopped submitting altogether and thus no longer check up on you.

what I want to see is a "sent to all fans" fudction in your inbox where you can say "hey I made a new song - <link> go check it out!

for someone like me with over 1200 fans, it' be a huge feedback venue to take advantage of.

thats actually a good idea chronamut.

the part about me im not going to comment on cause i know it isnt so besides youre making it sound like im that kind of person wich im not.

Good news everyone, I've decided to give everything 5's whenever I visit the audio portal. I don't even care if it sucks.

At 2/7/11 01:19 PM, hollohill wrote: Good news everyone, I've decided to give everything 5's whenever I visit the audio portal. I don't even care if it sucks.

You know, I think i'd be more offended by people "5-bombing" than zero. I don't know why this is...

At 2/7/11 01:36 PM, Suezo wrote:

At 2/7/11 01:19 PM, hollohill wrote: Good news everyone, I've decided to give everything 5's whenever I visit the audio portal. I don't even care if it sucks.

You know, I think i'd be more offended by people "5-bombing" than zero. I don't know why this is...

Is it because if every song had 5's it would ruin the way the audio is organized?

At 2/7/11 01:37 PM, hollohill wrote: Is it because if every song had 5's it would ruin the way the audio is organized?

im all for it, i will join you.

At 2/7/11 01:43 PM, Calamaistr wrote:

At 2/7/11 01:37 PM, hollohill wrote: Is it because if every song had 5's it would ruin the way the audio is organized?

im all for it, i will join you.

> mfw I help raise a bunch of audio submissions to the mid 3's instead of 1's and 2's.

At 2/7/11 01:37 PM, hollohill wrote:

At 2/7/11 01:36 PM, Suezo wrote:

At 2/7/11 01:19 PM, hollohill wrote: Good news everyone, I've decided to give everything 5's whenever I visit the audio portal. I don't even care if it sucks.

You know, I think i'd be more offended by people "5-bombing" than zero. I don't know why this is...

Is it because if every song had 5's it would ruin the way the audio is organized?

I mean,

Getting zero-bombed is like getting a kick to the nuts. Yeah it hurts for a bit and you'll get over it in time.

But 5-bombing seems more like one of those little "flicks" that barely scraps your nads but hurts like 3-dillion times worse than any repetative punching to the groin.

It's just so heartbreaking like the dad that never pays attention to his kid, but praises them so half-heartedly behind a newspaper whenever they do something. As opposed to the parent who gives their kid shit continuously, but at least it builds some kind of character...

do you like how some of this makes no fuckin' sense from the previously stated question? I sure do...

I was wondering, are there people like me who do not 5 their own work, just never vote on it.. well perhaps eventually like a month later when their bored.

just wondering.

Its also cool to see i keep getting 10s in random reviews and my tracks scores are around 1.5 / 2.5

At 2/8/11 12:29 PM, Calamaistr wrote: I was wondering, are there people like me who do not 5 their own work, just never vote on it.. well perhaps eventually like a month later when their bored.

just wondering.

Its also cool to see i keep getting 10s in random reviews and my tracks scores are around 1.5 / 2.5

I stopped voting on my own songs years ago when I thought it was bad luck (now I believe it's bad practice :P). But yeah, I notice the review thing too. I'll have songs with 1.6 or 2.1 and they'll have 7-10 in reviews.

You know what I've noticed? Almost every single song I see on my 5-bombing excursions that have 1 vote is always 0.00. It's like someone is just waiting and watching the audio portal at all times, or maybe it's automatic or something? I smell a conspiracy.

At 2/8/11 12:48 PM, hollohill wrote: It's like someone is just waiting and watching the audio portal at all times...

This being the internet, and the internet being heavily populated by people with no social lives, yeah, I think that's pretty much hit the nail on the head.

At 2/8/11 12:48 PM, hollohill wrote: You know what I've noticed? Almost every single song I see on my 5-bombing excursions that have 1 vote is always 0.00. It's like someone is just waiting and watching the audio portal at all times, or maybe it's automatic or something? I smell a conspiracy.

they are always gonna be people that like it and there will always be people that hate it

At 2/9/11 12:03 PM, dontpanic01 wrote:

At 2/8/11 12:48 PM, hollohill wrote: You know what I've noticed? Almost every single song I see on my 5-bombing excursions that have 1 vote is always 0.00. It's like someone is just waiting and watching the audio portal at all times, or maybe it's automatic or something? I smell a conspiracy.

they are always gonna be people that like it and there will always be people that hate it

and for every person who hates it there are 5 people who voted it down without really listening to it and making up an opinion

At 2/8/11 12:48 PM, hollohill wrote: You know what I've noticed? Almost every single song I see on my 5-bombing excursions that have 1 vote is always 0.00. It's like someone is just waiting and watching the audio portal at all times, or maybe it's automatic or something? I smell a conspiracy.

There are scripts that vote 0 on a certain genre at a specific time everyday.

there used to be scripts that voted zero on certain users every day too - I know, becasue I was a victim of one.

every single day, almost 300 songs of mine were zeroed, always around the same time.. for months and months and months. Even when my scores were on like the 20th page of a chart..

eventually, something happened, and it all magically stopped. I don't know why, but I don't ask questions.

At 2/7/11 10:19 AM, Chronamut wrote: or perhaps it means your music isn't as good as you think it is calamaistr and that every song on newgrounds has a shelf life before it degenerates, just like all songs did before the 2007 redesign.

your stuff isn't god - and won't stay at the top forever. Also your leaving the site means that your job at promoting your own music was lacknig, thus your fans probably didn't keep listening to your music, thus they didn't 5 your songs to balance it out.

a lot of this site is really about also promoting yourself and notifying your fans when you have new stuff out. It's not just sit back, submit and watch all the fandom flow in. It might have been that way in the past but unless you're a notorious user people won't come flooding anymore, because they may think you stopped submitting altogether and thus no longer check up on you.

what I want to see is a "sent to all fans" fudction in your inbox where you can say "hey I made a new song - <link> go check it out!

for someone like me with over 1200 fans, it' be a huge feedback venue to take advantage of.

Me being a nobody to this site, I would still like to say I completely agree with your last suggestion of a mass message option. It would save a lot of time and would help out a lot (even for me with like 20 fans) it is a great feature design on other websites and helps keep all the fans up to date on the new goodies.

Oddly enough, I managed to stave off "0 bombers" for the duration of my life here on Newgrounds (almost 6 years) - but, I just submitted something, went to edit it, came back, and it was down to a 1.74 - isn't that incredible? Has this problem been worse lately?

Also, Chrony - I agree whole heartedly, what's the point of having fans if you can't reach them?

If Newgrounds had some easy way to communicate with your fans, I'd use NG instead of ReverbNation entirely. So, /third.

Excellent thread Rucko, I've been victim to a lot of zero bombers... But haven't we all?
It's a silly thing for me to offer you guys, but if you ever want you can PM me the link to your song and I will vote fairly, and if it's possible I will leave you a review! I struggle reviewing some genres as they aren't the main genre I focus on in listening to and creating music.
Also, the Review Request Club will be able to help you guys out, by leaving you criticism and usually voting on your audio submissions as well. I'm a member of the club on my other account and I'm sure we'd all be happy to have you guys request your submissions for review!

i got this idea today,

voting power in the AP is independent from the flash portal, and your voting power only increases by writing reviews.

And you get bonus voting xp when people deem that review helpful.

Just a thought.

At 2/13/11 08:01 PM, jpbear wrote: i got this idea today,

voting power in the AP is independent from the flash portal, and your voting power only increases by writing reviews.

i don't think that would be a good idea because we will have a lot of people doing 3 word reviews just to get their review count higher.

Just take a look at Ultor's amazing complete reviews

=(

At 2/13/11 08:14 PM, Acid-Paradox wrote:

At 2/13/11 08:01 PM, jpbear wrote: i got this idea today,

voting power in the AP is independent from the flash portal, and your voting power only increases by writing reviews.

i don't think that would be a good idea because we will have a lot of people doing 3 word reviews just to get their review count higher.

Just take a look at Ultor's amazing complete reviews

=(

ya to counter that you wouldnt get much xp from just writing the review(maybe a correlation between xp and word count?). But frm whether people vote it a helpful, or the author voting it a helpful review. I know Mich's audio portal has a similair system to that.

At 2/13/11 08:37 PM, jpbear wrote: ya to counter that you wouldn't get much xp from just writing the review(maybe a correlation between xp and word count?). But from whether people vote it a helpful, or the author voting it a helpful review. I know Mich's audio portal has a similar system to that.

Yeah, maybe it could be like you can get a certain amount xp for each grounds gold day, let's say 10 reviews will give you "x" xp but you will have to wait till the end of grounds gold day till you can get xp from reviews, but you can still make reviews though.

Now i have been thinking on something, what if they could add a rule of "you must write a review if you're going to vote 0 , telling why you think this song deserves it.

I think that should get rid of some zero bombers but then once again we would have people making a 3 word review with a score of 10 but then voting 0 just for the "lulz".
I don't know a thing about programming but yeah that was just a thought that i had weeks ago , i know it has flaws but i just wanted to share it with you.