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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-03-25 11:55:42 Reply

At 11/23/09 07:23 AM, ParagonX9 wrote: LOL 4.33 LOL

LOL 4.38 IN YOUR FACE X9! >:D LOL

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-03-25 14:56:20 Reply

At 3/25/10 11:55 AM, pokerockmario wrote:
At 11/23/09 07:23 AM, ParagonX9 wrote: LOL 4.33 LOL
LOL 4.38 IN YOUR FACE X9! >:D LOL

Hey man it's against the rules to bump any old topic without new information relevant to the thread discussion...

(no backseat modding intended)

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-03-27 07:22:16 Reply

At 3/25/10 02:56 PM, Supersteph54 wrote:
At 3/25/10 11:55 AM, pokerockmario wrote:
At 11/23/09 07:23 AM, ParagonX9 wrote: LOL 4.33 LOL
LOL 4.38 IN YOUR FACE X9! >:D LOL
Hey man it's against the rules to bump any old topic without new information relevant to the thread discussion...

(no backseat modding intended)

oh sorry :/

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-04-18 20:10:24 Reply

Dude, you are just way to awesome. Thumbs up to you! lol


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-06-22 13:25:48 Reply

At 12/1/09 08:07 AM, Ritz190 wrote: Dude...all my shit got bombed today...like someone went on my page and specifically bombed everything..you know you've reached AWESOME when someone is TRYING to sabotage you...i'm honored..really...i never thought this would happen...(sniff) thank you...

Hur Hur Derp, I liek to 5 bomb your songs. XD Seriously, I feel yer pain though, oh wait, you feel accomplished? That's beautiful.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-09-25 21:57:34 Reply

At 12/1/09 08:07 AM, Ritz190 wrote: Dude...all my shit got bombed today...like someone went on my page and specifically bombed everything..you know you've reached AWESOME when someone is TRYING to sabotage you...i'm honored..really...i never thought this would happen...(sniff) thank you...

I know! The same thing has been happening to all of my stuff in the Heavy Metal genre. My other songs aren't getting much abuse but someone is dedicatedly going to every one of my Metal songs and 0ing them.

I think it's a weirdo form of flattery that someone recognizes your skill enough to know that if your music is left unzeroed, then it very well could rise to the top and dwarf any minor achievements that the zeroer might pump out.

Flattering, but still incredibly frustrating.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-09-27 20:09:27 Reply

I see alot of whiners..

My shit gets bombed every day, infact whilst i write this im alomost certain that something ive posted is getting bombed for something, maybe its just. Maybe its just rubbish and we cant actually see it after hearing the same thing for hours on end?

The only way around this vicious circle is to make something so amazing that you get more 5's than twats.

Easier said than done.

You gotta remember that the #1 track most likely gets more 0 than anyone. What does that say for humanity?

We're all fucked.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-09-28 20:01:42 Reply

wow, just wow.. i havent been active for a week and a half whatsoever, no new music uploaded, no comments on forums.. and ive been zerobombde again, someone must really feel angry that i 'exist' or something.

So when are mods finally going to (no, wait for it, its not the same old measure) delete the audio portal wholly since obviously nothing of the portal is legit anymore with this going on and even though alot of us zero bomb victims (sad faic) do not give a shit about the race for pointless top 50 i mean bullshit attainment its beyond annoying to see actual music being pissed on by musically incompetent hearing impaired 10 year olds that come either from 4chan or from being molested in their schools after class, kicking defenseless cat (his name is chad, the cats name that is, named after the molester) into a corner on the way to their rooms, then sit behind their 486 pc and then have the nerve to click a classical work of calamaistr and somehow expecting 50 cent meets unts unts unts garbage they have the nerve to give it a 0.

Or they are imbeciles of the highest degree also known as trolls and just do it in an attempt to piss me off and then laugh at my posting in the zerovoting and exposure topic, if thats the case then i hope the person gets fingercancer, try clicking your mouse again after you complete 'contrast of a musician' who does it.

im not angry, just voicing the actual composers of this community's side.
(no i dont want anything to be done, nothing can be done and thats a fact. I just want to let know i too have been tired of this subject for a long time now)


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-09-28 20:44:35 Reply

Wow, my latest submissions have fallen quite a bit now... it makes me sad. Pfft, nah, not really.

Still...

4.43, bitches.

Zerovoting and Exposure.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-09-28 21:26:27 Reply

A lot of times, the first vote I get is a 0.

If someone hates my stuff so bad that they want me to die in a fire, I have no choice but to believe that they are too mentally retarded to understand what I'm doing with my music.

Then again, I could just be one of those arrogant pretentious composer types who wears funny hats and long scarfs.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-09-30 11:00:43 Reply

one thing i think that having people vote on the songs, as opposed to other meathods used, is that you know then what the general consensus was on how good the work you have made was.

of course theres the review club, and uderdog list and such, but i dont feel these achieve the same level of general feedback as the voting would. as in you can see that in general out of 50 people the general votes say that yours songs shit. as opposed to 150 people have listened to it with 2 votes and your woderig, is it shit?

i realise that me typing this isn't really solving the situation, its just ive seen a lot of people saying things along the lines of voting isn't important, and just though id give a little counter argument to that. i dont intend to offend anyone with this, or belittle the current system.

anyway im off to eat a potato

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-09-30 11:21:30 Reply

At 9/30/10 11:00 AM, horsebugger wrote: one thing i think that having people vote on the songs, as opposed to other meathods used, is that you know then what the general consensus was on how good the work you have made was.

of course theres the review club, and uderdog list and such, but i dont feel these achieve the same level of general feedback as the voting would. as in you can see that in general out of 50 people the general votes say that yours songs shit. as opposed to 150 people have listened to it with 2 votes and your woderig, is it shit?

i realise that me typing this isn't really solving the situation, its just ive seen a lot of people saying things along the lines of voting isn't important, and just though id give a little counter argument to that. i dont intend to offend anyone with this, or belittle the current system.

anyway im off to eat a potato

Brings me back to the fact that 90% of people visiting newgrounds have shit of a clue(read: no knowledge at all)about music and are mere passive comfortist conformist top 40 listeners. How can such judge a composers work? (read: they cant)


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-09-30 12:43:49 Reply

yeah fairpoint one mans gold is another mans shitheap. you could make something which is musically speaking fantastic but everyone thinks is awful, but something thats musically awful could be a success.

not sure where this quote is from but "why do you think kids like rock and roll...because its terrible"

plus also we cant exactly force people to vote

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-10-12 06:38:36 Reply

At 6/10/08 08:00 PM, Rucklo wrote: - You'll become a much happier person when you stop caring about the scores. There are many other ways of exposure on this site. If you're good, soon enough you will get discovered.

Being a relatively new author in the Audio Portal, getting zero-bombed is a bitter pill to take. However, the general consensus on this matter seems to be "Don't let it get to you. It's not an isolated incident and it happens all the time". I would agree with that and not being too touchy about your scores. After all, as stated, there indeed are plenty of other ways to get exposure in the AP.

Well, no worries then. :)

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-13 10:05:33 Reply

It happens to me as well, and at first i was very disappointed and like "Wow, i didn't know this track is that bad."
Now i'm more or less okay with it, because i think it's a confirmation that my tracks are actually pretty good, and someone is afraid of competetion. :)

Only bad thing is;
once your score is lowered to hell, your tracks disappear into Oblivion.
People won't notice you, if you're new to NG (like me).

Haters gonna hate.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-13 14:32:47 Reply

Perhaps we should have a five-bomb request thread.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-18 13:22:02 Reply

Recently, I made a post about this in general, and some kind soul referred me to this topic.
anyway.... here's my rant:

Recently, I have become concerned with votes on my audio submission.
It would seem that every time it reaches 4.40 or above, someone votes 0 on it, and it is sent back to 4.35-4.37. Where nobody really sees it... until shit gets close to 4.40 again.
I started to check the audio portal, and more specifically, the category in which my song is included.
(Hip-Hop Modern) to see what other songs in my category were rated...

And hey.... varying from 4.35-4.40 isn't that bad considering...

Any time a submission reaches the first page of submissions in that category, someone comes by and votes 0 on everything, and knocks all the submissions down in the rankings.

And guess where the highest ratings hover...
4.40-4.42

I think that some way of stopping retards who do this should be implemented.

Not only does this occur on audio portal submissions, but sometimes it happens to a user's reviews, flashes, art, etc.

When someone starts spamming mass 0 votes, (or flags 10+ reviews in a row as useless) some coding somewhere should stop him and say "Hey, fuckface. If you want to continue downvoting, go vote up on some submissions you like first."

Watching an entire page of the top audio in a category getting ratings tarnished EVERY DAY because some fucking idiot spams 0 over everything, kinda pisses me off.

/end rant

It seems you guys area already well aware of "zero bombing" as you call it. So why not implement something to stop it... or at least slow it to a crawl?


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-18 16:16:50 Reply

because its like trying to drain the sea dry with a straw.

just accept that newgrounds isnt a place to get noticed or apreciated as far as the portals go.
The only way to get that is to socialise, look up people who make music that you like and pm back and forth with them, just stop trying to run in the race, cause you're running fair and theyr running on pills.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-18 18:31:14 Reply

"Hey, fuckface. If you want to continue downvoting, go vote up on some submissions you like first."

good idea i say. Then again they might just go 5 some random song, but still its a good idea.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-18 20:54:43 Reply

Okay, so a few days ago, me and my friend Openlight discovered that our songs were in the top 20 of the Miscellaneous section. We were so excited, so we told everyone on Facebook about it.

30 minutes later, we were bombed into like page 6. Aaahh, the magic of the Audio Portal. Oh, and I think our Facebook friends might be secretly plotting against us.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-19 07:09:28 Reply

Perhaps a small tip to avoid brutal destroying of your precious score:

Vote 5 on every recent entry in the chart of your genre.
If your song is surrounded by like 30 songs who also have a high score,
you're less obvious canonfodder ;)

Altough my experience is that in 10 minutes, those 30 songs can simply dissapear from the top charts.
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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-19 13:17:08 Reply

I just look at it this way: When you get Zerobombed, it means some pimple-faced sarcastic teenage boy somewhere cared enough to listen to (at least the first 3 seconds of) your song. And who knows... maybe those three seconds of music were able to reach out and penetrate the inner depths of his soul, resonating somehow in a positive fashion, and triggering the first small steps in a spiritual awakening that guides him positively onward towards maturity.

At least that's why I post my sh*t here.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-20 04:43:10 Reply

At 11/19/10 01:17 PM, jkap1 wrote: I just look at it this way: When you get Zerobombed, it means some pimple-faced sarcastic teenage boy somewhere cared enough to listen to (at least the first 3 seconds of) your song. And who knows... maybe those three seconds of music were able to reach out and penetrate the inner depths of his soul, resonating somehow in a positive fashion, and triggering the first small steps in a spiritual awakening that guides him positively onward towards maturity.

At least that's why I post my sh*t here.

That's given me an idea. Let's start every 3 seconds of our songs with the words '0-bombers are heartless scum'.

Yeeeaaaah.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-20 05:25:28 Reply

At 11/19/10 07:09 AM, Kr1z wrote: Perhaps a small tip to avoid brutal destroying of your precious score:

Vote 5 on every recent entry in the chart of your genre.
If your song is surrounded by like 30 songs who also have a high score,
you're less obvious canonfodder ;)

So basically, that's with the idea of giving those songs to the zero-voting people instead. You vote up a song so it would be 0'd rather than your own song.

I'd prefer to vote the score it deserves to be honest.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-20 06:43:34 Reply

At 11/20/10 04:43 AM, Supersteph54 wrote:
That's given me an idea. Let's start every 3 seconds of our songs with the words '0-bombers are heartless scum'.

Yeeeaaaah.

I once thought of making an awesome song that started with 10 seconds of horrible noise killing everyones fucking brain and then going on into the most awesome music ever (i had it in my head but i forgot how it went.. lol) with the text 'if you couldnt hear past it, prejudice, if you cant hear past this, prejudice' it would be the best entry ever.

maybe ill make it sometime afterall.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-20 12:10:10 Reply

all of my shit gets 0'd, but thats probably because all of my shit is really awful and isnt conventional music

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-20 14:29:53 Reply

Is this that bad?

  • Greener Greens
    Greener Greens by Inacio

    Click to listen.

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    149 Views

I mean, I really liked the outcome, but it's score one time was 4-something and then it's 2-something?
CC, please

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-20 15:44:17 Reply

At 11/20/10 02:29 PM, Inacio wrote: Is this that bad?

Nope, it's not. And so are many tracks here on NG. The Score does not represent the qualilty at all.
More like: the lower your score, the better your track :D

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-20 16:57:06 Reply

At 11/20/10 03:44 PM, TillDawn wrote:
At 11/20/10 02:29 PM, Inacio wrote: Is this that bad?
Nope, it's not. And so are many tracks here on NG. The Score does not represent the qualilty at all.
More like: the lower your score, the better your track :D

Oh, haha. It really was zerobombed, then?

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2010-11-25 22:47:16 Reply

"The admins are well aware of what they have created, so just leave it be."

I love how people pretend this isn't a problem...