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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-08 14:47:11 Reply

At 8/8/08 02:38 PM, nataSNoose wrote: you talk like Adulf Hitler.

LAOL

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-08 14:48:38 Reply

At 8/8/08 02:38 PM, nataSNoose wrote:
At 8/7/08 07:53 PM, Chronamut wrote:
At 8/7/08 07:36 PM, nataSNoose wrote: a bunch of eubonics
honestly, is it too much to ask to type properly? If you can go through the trouble of writing "dat" and " der" and "hatin" and all those other stupid eubonics, is it so hard to type normally? Noone likes people that talk like that around here - and it will cause people to take you less seriously. A wise lesson on the internet AND in real life.
text is just text
+ im listening to music as im going through forums.
stick to the topic rather than try to be smartass with your proper spelling.
people should get what i was typing, ever heard of hip-hop/ slang ??
you wouldnt correct people who are speaking to you in real life just cuz they sound improper.
your arrogant and rude
for attacking someones grammer through text,which since it's through the internet its even more pathetic and hilarious.
i type without looking so sometimes i miss keys.
doesnt mean you have to be a "hater"
i think your predigious. maybe even racist or a HUGE stereo typer.
america gives me the freedom of speach so i'll type on this computer how ever i please.
you talk like Adulf Hitler.
i thought the subject of this topic is about people who vote zero on the stuff people uploaded for blampoints.
guess not

y you wrote that whole thing properly - amazing what you can do when you try isn't it.

and yes I would correct someone that talked like that in real life - it makes you sound uneducated.

and ill do whatever the fuck I want.

you're ignorant and petty.
I also hate people that use the word "hater"

and I think u mean prejudice :P - im not being a stereotyper - you'rethe one thats hiding behind the "its the internet" for your own bad habits. And since this is the internet, I guess I can only consider you as a meaningless jumble of text that occasionally gets mad at me - oh no - a jumble of text is mad at me..

I don't live in "america" - i live in canada :P

and its adolf hitler u tard - SEIG HEIL!

ICT BIN GOTT!

and no not really.

I also thought my response to your original statement was very civil - but if you wanna be an asshole about it - I can be an asshole right back.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-08 14:52:05 Reply

At 8/8/08 02:38 AM, Scribbler wrote: Every time you vote zero, you should have to pay a penny. The catch is, it builds up. Every month you have to pay. Motherfuckers who are unaware will get repo'd... Done story.

lol
"ima level 10000 newground gold account memeberwith 999999.999% experiance points!!!"
im not obsessive.
where is this topic going anyways?
cheshyre is good enough as a musician to maintain high scores.
maybe zero bombers are just picky like american idol judges.
when you create a song in your head be like "ima be the next effin linkin park or something"
with your hardcore nice music you created just now that would make famous music industries want you.
my tracks arnt up yet but ima guess a low scores gonna get to my head sooner or later
ok im done now, bye forum
hopefully you all understand me who ever's reading this


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-08 14:56:44 Reply

bubai - have fun.. wherever you go.. haha

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-08 15:17:03 Reply

At 8/8/08 02:48 PM, Chronamut wrote:
At 8/8/08 02:38 PM, nataSNoose wrote:
At 8/7/08 07:53 PM, Chronamut wrote:
At 8/7/08 07:36 PM, nataSNoose wrote: a bunch of eubonics
honestly, is it too much to ask to type properly? If you can go through the trouble of writing "dat" and " der" and "hatin" and all those other stupid eubonics, is it so hard to type normally? Noone likes people that talk like that around here - and it will cause people to take you less seriously. A wise lesson on the internet AND in real life.
text is just text
+ im listening to music as im going through forums.
stick to the topic rather than try to be smartass with your proper spelling.
people should get what i was typing, ever heard of hip-hop/ slang ??
you wouldnt correct people who are speaking to you in real life just cuz they sound improper.
your arrogant and rude
for attacking someones grammer through text,which since it's through the internet its even more pathetic and hilarious.
i type without looking so sometimes i miss keys.
doesnt mean you have to be a "hater"
i think your predigious. maybe even racist or a HUGE stereo typer.
america gives me the freedom of speach so i'll type on this computer how ever i please.
you talk like Adulf Hitler.
i thought the subject of this topic is about people who vote zero on the stuff people uploaded for blampoints.
guess not
y you wrote that whole thing properly - amazing what you can do when you try isn't it.

and yes I would correct someone that talked like that in real life - it makes you sound uneducated.

and ill do whatever the fuck I want.

you're ignorant and petty.
I also hate people that use the word "hater"

and I think u mean prejudice :P - im not being a stereotyper - you'rethe one thats hiding behind the "its the internet" for your own bad habits. And since this is the internet, I guess I can only consider you as a meaningless jumble of text that occasionally gets mad at me - oh no - a jumble of text is mad at me..

I don't live in "america" - i live in canada :P

and its adolf hitler u tard - SEIG HEIL!

ICT BIN GOTT!
and no not really.

I also thought my response to your original statement was very civil - but if you wanna be an asshole about it - I can be an asshole right back.

lets say we were in the same room face to face in reality.
you would not talk to me the way you are typing.
you would be very afraid of me.
your all trying to gangrape me with letters.you dont know me personally you dont even know who i am.im just a picture
im not hatefull towards anyone.
i guess your just some preppy suburban child with a good happy family who doesnt understand what the real world is really like.actions speak louder than words.
this whole time ive been trying to talk about the voting system on this site.
im not white,and im bilingual and very proud of it.
im just here to post music and to see what people have posted for my own enjoyment.
its obvious your afraid to have a life
so you take it out by typing.
when your done being a looser
maybe youll have the balls to get involved wth my reality rather than being pure geek.
this got boring so ima just leave the comp for now.
im sorry you dont like me cuz im not one of your kind.
so just go on with what you were doing,im done :)


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-08 15:26:26 Reply

At 8/8/08 03:17 PM, nataSNoose wrote: a bunch of hater stuff

blah blah blah - go outside and get some fresh air :P

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-08 16:26:42 Reply

At 8/8/08 03:17 PM, nataSNoose wrote:

:: wall of text LOL

I bet you eat KFC.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-08 16:33:32 Reply

At 8/8/08 04:26 PM, Suspended-3rd-Chord wrote:
At 8/8/08 03:17 PM, nataSNoose wrote:
wall of text LOL
I bet you eat KFC.

HAHAHHAHAHA

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-09 11:32:56 Reply

Zerovoting, also known as "Zero-Bombing" is just unfair to everyone, but to someone... it is a strategy. Face it, having your music show up on the first page when various people come to the AP is VERY important to exposure. Even if the person plans on hunting deep into the back pages, they are still going to see your name and song first before doing so. Also, if someone important, like someone who can give out record contracts or needs music for a game in development comes to the AP, they are not going to know about Zero-Bombing. Those important people are just going to check out whatever is highest on the charts obviously thinking that it will be the best music available.

But of course, most of us already know this, so...

Chances are if you have became enraged about Zero-Bombing enough to complain about it, you are most likely guilty of doing it yourself. Deep down inside we all know that to be successful at this strategy, you have to be against the strategy. So we all pretend to hate it, but whoever is smart will use it.

So for those of you who haven't learned the ways of Zero-Bombing allow me to teach you how it works...

#1 - PRIVACY! PRIVACY! PRIVACY!
Zero-Bombing is something that you should never admit to doing for the sake of your reputation. (NOTE: Whatever you do, after reading this guide DO NOT post any "Thank You" replies. What you need to do is bash, complain and write hateful things about this guide so you will not be suspected as a potential Zero-Bomber. Don't worry, I can handle negative responses, besides I will know what you truly are thinking.) Currently no one has exposed a way to tell WHO the Zero-Bombers are, so as long as you don't talk about it, you can use your main account to do it. If you are still afraid you can always create a secondary Newgrounds account to do all your dirty work.

#2 - VOTING (BOMBING) POWER
The Audio Portal voting system works like the Flash Portal voting system, so you want to have as much voting power as you can. The higher your power, the less you will have to Zero-Bomb tracks. This is also how you will be able to compete against other Zero-Bombers. Overall, if you got more power than you can keep your scores high and other peoples low.

#3 - THE FIGHT FOR THE FRONT PAGE
If you have a new track that you are ready to submit to the AP, make sure the coast is clear! Before you submit the track, go to the section your submitting the track and Zero-Bomb all the tracks on the first page, and if you feel up to it, Zero-Bomb the whole second page as well. (NOTE: You will want to have a browser that supports TABS and also a mouse with a middle button. When you go down the track listings you should be able to click the song link with the middle mouse button, allowing it to open into another TAB. After you have a bunch of TABS open, you can quickly click through them allowing you to hit the "Vote 0" button much more faster.) Give about 2 to 3 days for everyone to finish whining and freaking out and then submit your new song.

#4 - AVOID BECOMING AND MAKING A SUSPECT
(NOTE: This is just a theory that takes time and doesn't always work. I had a successful test using ganon95 as the suspect and cornandbeans tracks as the ones that I wanted to get bumped to the first page of the Techno section, and it worked.) If you have multiple songs that you want all on the first page you have to take cautious steps to do so. If you just go crazy Zero-Bombing until all your music is at the top of the list like its your own personal page other artists are going to suspect you right away as the Zero-Bomber. Which can lead to your tracks getting constantly bombed. The best way around this is to find another artist who has multiple songs on, or close to the first page. This will be the artist you set up to be the suspect a.k.a victim a.k.a sacrifice. Begin by constantly Zero-Bombing anyone's tracks that have higher scores than your music and the "suspects" music. Then vote 5's on all the "suspects" music, but be careful to keep your score right under the suspects. Eventually, you will end up with a list of the "suspects" music at the top of the first page and most of your music listed below the "suspects". Finally, you wait and someone else that you will have Zero-Bombed the crap out of will come along and think that the "suspect" is the one who Zero-Bombed them and retaliate back allowing your tracks to flow up on the first page.

#5 - ZERO-BOMBING FOR REVENGE
If someone starts bitching at you because of the way you talk on the internet, or comes to your user page and intentionally tries to start an argument then you should probably Zero-Bomb their tracks.

#6 - ZERO-BOMBING FOR FUN
Just sick of it all? Got nothing better to do with your time? Then go raise havoc in the Audio Portal!

Sorry for spelling and grammar errors.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-10 20:08:55 Reply

Ok, HYPOTHETICALLY speaking here;

If you hypothetically (because you would never actually do this) decided to Zero-Bombed some tracks because someone was holding a gun to your head and making you do it...

A) Would you Zero-Bomb for exposure, revenge, or just for fun?

B) Who would you Bomb or what genres of the Audio Portal would you Zero-Bomb?

Remember, this is all hypothetical, of course you would never Zero-Bomb anyone!

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-10 20:40:57 Reply

At 8/10/08 08:08 PM, tekcos wrote: Ok, HYPOTHETICALLY speaking here;

If you hypothetically (because you would never actually do this) decided to Zero-Bombed some tracks because someone was holding a gun to your head and making you do it...

A) Would you Zero-Bomb for exposure, revenge, or just for fun?

B) Who would you Bomb or what genres of the Audio Portal would you Zero-Bomb?

Remember, this is all hypothetical, of course you would never Zero-Bomb anyone!

There is, of course, a flaw in your whole theory; some of us actually DO admit to zero voting for the greater good, regardless of how much others might grumble about it.

A) I have no music, so exposure it out. Revenge? Maybe once or twice, but who hasn't? Fun? No even "I" am not that coldblooded. Order? Definitely. Although I havent been doing it nearly as much these days as I have been in the past, to me it's a full time job in itself.

B) I bomb classical, vg, sometimes industrial, techno, and trance

C) stop msging me bitching about what I do. Enough of you support what I do - and I really don't care about those that don't, so suck it up and get better. In the real world the exact same thing would happen; if you arent good in real life as a musician, then noone ever hears of you and you get replaced by those that ARE good.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-13 14:10:37 Reply

Explain me why we dont filter the extremes out (the 0's, lulz) since they manipulate the score too much in the AP.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-13 15:04:33 Reply

At 8/9/08 11:32 AM, tekcos wrote: #4 - AVOID BECOMING AND MAKING A SUSPECT
(NOTE: This is just a theory that takes time and doesn't always work. I had a successful test using ganon95 as the suspect and cornandbeans tracks as the ones that I wanted to get bumped to the first page of the Techno section, and it worked.)

I've always wondered why so many of ganon95's songs are on the techno frontpage.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 04:30:32 Reply

At 8/13/08 03:04 PM, Gloudas wrote: I've always wondered why so many of ganon95's songs are on the techno frontpage.

I'm sure a lot of people probably blamed ganon95 for that happening too, which was the point of doing that.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 10:30:26 Reply

Wow, the Industrial section in the AP is officially "WREAKED".

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 12:00:53 Reply

olololololol

Zerovoting and Exposure.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 13:00:27 Reply

At 8/14/08 12:00 PM, tekcos wrote: olololololol

stoip spamming damnit lol - rucklo is so gonna ban your ass >:(

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 13:33:37 Reply

At 8/14/08 01:29 PM, Bjra wrote: and every new zero bombing thread is closed LOL. complete bullshit

And that's the reason this thread is open...

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 13:35:40 Reply

People make it seem like down voting is the end of the world. I just had someone go to my page and downvote my latest 30 songs. It doesn't bother me at all because someone took the time to down vote that much. Now, people just need to get over the shit. There's not one song on here that deserves a perfect 5. Stop bitching if you atleast get a 3.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 13:37:43 Reply

At 8/14/08 01:32 PM, Bjra wrote:
At 8/9/08 11:32 AM, tekcos wrote: Zerovoting, also known as "Zero-Bombing" is just unfair to everyone, but to someone... it is a strategy. Face it, having your music show up on the first page when various people come to the AP is VERY important to exposure.
not if your music sucks. Shit is still shit, it doesnt matter how many people listen to it. zero bombing encourages laziness and unoriginality in the audio portal

Shit or not, if you look at the weekly top 5, almost all the songs have 30 or more reviews. Almost all the reviews are positive too. I'd say zerobombing worked pretty effective for these artists.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 13:42:35 Reply

At 8/14/08 01:00 PM, Chronamut wrote:
At 8/14/08 12:00 PM, tekcos wrote: olololololol
stoip spamming damnit lol - rucklo is so gonna ban your ass >:(

why the hell would you even post that? don*t think a PM to me would have been smoother and easier?


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 13:52:05 Reply

At 8/14/08 01:42 PM, Rucklo wrote:
At 8/14/08 01:00 PM, Chronamut wrote:
At 8/14/08 12:00 PM, tekcos wrote: olololololol
stoip spamming damnit lol - rucklo is so gonna ban your ass >:(
why the hell would you even post that? don*t think a PM to me would have been smoother and easier?

nah this way is more fun :P

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 13:54:50 Reply

Haha, my songs just got their scores annihilated: that must mean I'm finally POPULAR!!! XD XD

Seriously, am I the only one amused with the lack of a penis that makes people become zero-bombers?
I think it's just hilarious. XD

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 14:05:25 Reply

I've also realized that making top 5 is a great way to get bombed. My song climbed up to 4.6... then gradually went down to 4.0.. now back to 4.15 or so.. it's kinda like some sort of crazy rollercoaster...

I also think I may end up getting more reviews on this than most of my other tracks combined O_o


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 14:08:46 Reply

At 8/14/08 02:05 PM, EchozAurora wrote: I also think I may end up getting more reviews on this than most of my other tracks combined O_o

Yeah, I believe that's the way it works. And you still have the entire week ahead of you!


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 14:24:14 Reply

a few weeks back i was on the top 30 for 2 weeks in a row - worst 2 weeks ever.. now i actively fight to NOT be on them..

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 14:24:44 Reply

At 8/14/08 01:29 PM, Bjra wrote: anyone notice how almost 95% of all of the songs in the top weekly and top 30 this week SUCK? like there's no good songs at all.

I actually have to agree here. It's not the zeroing I have problems with, it's the exposure, and who gets it. So far I've seen four submissions in the Top 5/30 this week (no doubt there are others, this week and in the past) that don't deserve their places at all and it makes you wonder how this kind of exposure could be going to the wrong people. I'm not even talking about the very popular songs you see up there every week either.

One might suggest not to take it seriously, but in my opinion, that's not an option. There's tons of exposure at stake and it's up to luck and a number, rather than skill, talent, or effort, to decide who gets it.

Though it's not like any smaller, more experienced group of people could handpick 39 (Top 30, Top 5, four on the front page) submissions from 40 (right?) genres out of hundreds submitted weekly and the 160,000+ total submissions, and then order them into their places without someone complaining as we all seem to be now.

Unless, instead of all-time best, we have a list of one good song out of every genre updated daily or weekly, and mods selecting tracks for those spots, each mod being assigned a few genres to choose for?

I don't know, just throwing ideas out there.


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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 15:15:14 Reply

I just spent 2 hours reading every post in this thread. So hopefully I WILL NOT BE REPEATING STATEMENTS, maybe just pointing out which points I agree with.

Firstly: I HAVE ALOT OF SONGS THAT SUCK... they deserve the scores they have. I also have alot of songs that are kinda okay, then once in a while I have a couple decent songs. Everything seems to be rated the same though. Obviously an issue with how things are going in the world of voting.

I have complained before about zero bombers, and I think everyone has, even other zero bombers who aren't as good at zero bombing as other zero bombers.

BUT LET ME SAY: I LOVE NEWGROUNDS AND HOW THE RATING AND VOTING SYSTEM WORKS!

The system is great.... thousands of times better than garageband.com . I started out there and was so frustrated with how long it takes to get reviews and votes.... it really takes a LONG time.Freaking weeks!!! And you are forced to review hundreds of songs to be able to get reviews back.... or you can spend lotsa money. There is little community there and everyone is out for him or her / self. It is the very reason I came here.

THERE IS COMMNUITY HERE.

The problem is not the system (though i agree, small changes here and there would be great).... but do not copy garageband... no community and too long to get reviews.

The problem is not the system... its obviously the people. I think being able to zero bomb is good. I personally don't do it, except on the occasion of a really bad song that is a zero song. I think working on the system of community is great. I have a couple people on there that I let know that I have a new song that I would like the to hear and review... and I have lotsa songs that I dont let people know about cause they aren't that good, but I post them since I want the occasional review and where exactly they sit in the realm of goodness.

I really like the ideas:

Underdog list (For people going under the radar)
Hall of Fame (A place for older songs to go to give room for newer songs)
Review Club

I really think anything that promotes community would be awesome! I personally would like to start or be a part of an audio review crew or something of that nature. I'd be willing to put in the time to review songs... or 5 bomb a song with others that are awesome and have either been 0 bombed, or not given enough exposure.

The system is great. The way people are voting and acting like a community is not working 100% We can get this fixed by trying to help get exposure to stuff that deserves it.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 15:21:06 Reply

At 8/14/08 02:24 PM, Karco wrote:
At 8/14/08 01:29 PM, Bjra wrote: anyone notice how almost 95% of all of the songs in the top weekly and top 30 this week SUCK? like there's no good songs at all.

I don't know, just throwing ideas out there.

Just saw your post..... I agree.

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Response to Zerovoting and Exposure. 2008-08-14 15:24:28 Reply

At 8/14/08 01:29 PM, Bjra wrote: anyone notice how almost 95% of all of the songs in the top weekly and top 30 this week SUCK? like there's no good songs at all.

Probably because all the good "newer" songs get downvoted by "a dedicated hater" :)

ALSO, watching scores go down even faster since yesterday is quite the fun.

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