At 6/10/08 08:47 PM, WritersBlock wrote:
I'll add in another link you can use to gain more exposure;
Review Request Club
If you follow their rules, and make a request for your music, then you'll usually get at least half a dozen reviews from the club members, and more often than not,
aye...glad you pointed that out WB, I forgot to mention them. A great crew really that take the time to make NG a better place....
BUT....I'm going to be an asshole. And I apologize for being an asshole. Foremost I (as everyone should) appreciate anybody that actually takes their time out of their busy schedule to review- and these reviews are more than just one liners (most of them). Like you said, recieving reviews is a priveledge not a right and the reviewers deserve respect and a response. Musician, non musician your opinion is valid, but that doesnt necessarily make you as qualified. However, their criticism...is generally not as helpful as others....their forte seems to be flash, and most of the crew members there arent actually musicians themselves. The most common criticism is "it could loop better" when the track actually loops perfectly, has a leading tone note back into the tonic (you music theory guys know what I'm talking about) at the start to make the track seamleslly flow composition wise- the problem possibly lies within a lagging flash player, or the extra second/half second .mp3 files naturally tag on. Usually they don't like shorter tracks, and tell you to make them longer without giving proper reasoning, even when loops and short tracks work great for flashes, and serve there purpose. A lot of times certain members stretch to find fault. Nothing wrong with that...might annoy some people. To sum it up, a lot of the advice given by the RRC is just, too vague. I just had to spill my beef whether it needed to be said or not, I mean no disrespect at all- but if you're a mediocre-advanced musician looking for good, specific criticism to help you improve, its usually not the best place. If you're looking for any people to give you reviews or just simply check out your work, then RRC is a great place to advertise.
I dont think Rucklo included this in his places to advertise music...but I think Nav started a topic a while back for WIPs. It was rolling strong from what I can remember, but it died out. I'll try to find it and bump it.
At 6/10/08 08:00 PM, Rucklo wrote:
- The audioportal have the same voting system the flashportal have. Main difference is that there are alot more users voting (fairly) on flashes. That is why the scores gets evened out in there, and not in the AP. Well, not that much, anyways.
Now that you mention it, why the hell does voting power on flashes carry over to voting power on audio, if we can't vote on audio and get more E.P. from it? It doesnt make too much sense to me, either enable that users can increase their voting power by voting on audio, or set off everyones voting power as equal, like before the redesign.
And I don't see any problem with letting our reviews have some influence on our voting power percentage. If we leave a review, and back up WHY we voted what we did, wouldnt that give us more credibility as voters? Plus it might encourage more people to review- a lot more short reviews I'd expect, you can take that as a bad thing or good thing. But I do believe it would aid in helping the zero voting problem.
I intentionally am attempting to kill the whole 0-voting discussion, because it leads nowhere, like i mentioned the admins are most likley aware of things and what really annoys me, is (like previously menitoned) the fact that the threads steal spotlight from other threads.
Eej, I gotcha.
Then maybe somone would like to re-animate it? It's a good thread, and a good concept.
Sure, I'll bump it. It is indeed a good concept, but negative nancy says it will just die again. I'll try to rack up names of some artists who havent been mentioned yet and post them in there. Oh, and I nominate fatkidwithajetpack.
Pffft, speak for yourself! I've found shitload of awesome music in there that I never would have found othervice, and I still check the thread regularly.
Yeah me too....and people like you are far and few between...but what I'm talking about here is REVIEWS. You know, the helpful words. I once checked the topic, looked at the last 50 submissions advertised in there, and ONE, only two percent of the advertisers was kind enough to review the following submission. wtf is up with that. I can guarantee you right now the thread is following a similar pattern. So in the instance of review recieved ratios, that thread is almost useless.
I suggested a while back to start a new advertisement thread but you said there was no need. Put out your music, review the two people above (or maybe make it one if thats too much), and this time strictly enforce, possibly delete, maybe ban them from the thread, or simply tell a user to follow the rules if they decide to be selfish about, advertise their own stuff expecting to recieve a review, yet not giving out any reviews of their own. ( There's what, 15 audio moderators? and it wouldnt need to be just a mod's job to try and enforce the rules, any user could do it) If they dont want to review other people, they can simply then use the other, original, cluttered thread. Now I understand how some of the reprimandation options wouldn't be possible under the current BBS system, but its still worth a shot.
Now I may be missing a key point in action here, but I don't see any problems in that idea.
You can always suggest well deserving songs in the thread, as long as it's not your own.
I did not know this, but I'll be sure to take advantage of this in the future. We will see if it works ;)
Who chooses who goes on the front anyway?
You can hook up with the flash-authors who comes in here, create threads about how they need an audio artist to work with. it's not all out of your control.
yeah...well that is true I guess. I did say it wasnt all out or our control but the switch ultimately lies in the hand of flash authors. If your style is experimental, hip hop, indie, in general not a style that appeals to the majority of the NG userbase, you probably wont get used in flashes, no matter how good it is. But I have no legitimate reason to complain here. and unfortunately, most of these projects never even get off the ground.
I personally haven't done alot of reviewing since quite some time back. It's possible things have changed, but in many cases the name of the one who review, and his or hers (lol px9) reputation is the key. With the possibility to weigh in on reviews if they're useless/usefull, I think alot of users probably just hit the button instead of responding. I have no hard proof, but that's what I personally do, and I'd guess people are generally like me - lazy.
Personally I dislike the people who don't have the courtesy to respond to reviews. Especially the people who don't respond just out of the sheer fact that they try to look "important". Yeah, I understand if youre PX9 and you get a million thirteen year olds drooling down your back over a sonic remix, and you dont have the time to respond to each and every one of them. But if someone has taken their time to help you and write a long nice review, you should respond back. How long does it take to type "thank you" or "fuck you"? Seriously. That's why I check out the artists nature before I decide to leave a review-I'll check their first couple tracks, if I don't see you responding I'm a lot less likely to take the effort and active listening, repeat through your song multiple times to comment on each section and aspect, then I'm a lot like lessly to review. If you don't appreciate it enough, then why should I bother to take the time? And all I'm asking for is a simple response, not too much too ask. It's not like I'm doing it to whore out my music, expect my e-penis to grow, or recieve prizes or awards or anything along those lines. And these are regarding new authors, so there really is no excuse.