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i vote for Obama.

I live in england, so I havnt really looked into all the issues. One shock I got when getting off a train in london was a huge billboard with Obama waving on it.

Anyone got any idea what his strategy is there? Campaigning in another country?

At 10/23/08 04:33 PM, Slim-Bean wrote: I live in england, so I havnt really looked into all the issues. One shock I got when getting off a train in london was a huge billboard with Obama waving on it.

Anyone got any idea what his strategy is there? Campaigning in another country?

Getting himself known internationally because it's obvious he's won this shit.

At 10/23/08 04:33 PM, Slim-Bean wrote: I live in england, so I havnt really looked into all the issues. One shock I got when getting off a train in london was a huge billboard with Obama waving on it.

Anyone got any idea what his strategy is there? Campaigning in another country?

Did the obama campagin pay for it?

Obamma has been caught in lie after lie after lie, his response is always I was not aware of them being like that, or I was not there, he has NO experience other than being a community organizer and throwing a good BBQ for the people of Cabrini Green.. HOW makes him able to leed US in world affairs is beyond me. his own VP is saying he does not have what it takes. people should not Vote for him because he is Black but they are they should vote because he is the best choice , how on earth he can say I am against water boarding terrorists because its inhuman but partial birth abortions is ok, he even want to kill babies that have been born if the mother tried to abort them by starving the Baby to death. he has made many racist remarks , surrounded himself with criminals and terrorists and continues to make promises that sound good yet he can not explain how he wants to get them done. I am truly worried for our country if he is elected.

At 10/23/08 09:49 PM, troubles1 wrote: Obamma has been caught in lie after lie after lie,

And McCain hasn't?

his response is always I was not aware of them being like that, or I was not there,

I need proof for these claims.

he has NO experience other than being a community organizer and throwing a good BBQ for the people of Cabrini Green..

Pfff...your right, that whole thing with the Senate is a sham. Also, Lincoln.

HOW makes him able to leed US in world affairs is beyond me. his own VP is saying he does not have what it takes.

During the primary campaign. It happens. Nice job buying into the McCain bullshit.

people should not Vote for him because he is Black but they are they should vote because he is the best choice ,

And they arn't? Bullshit assumption is fail.

how on earth he can say I am against water boarding terrorists because its inhuman but partial birth abortions is ok,

Because partial birth abortions are humane, considering fetuses arn't human, as opposed to water-boarding.

he even want to kill babies that have been born if the mother tried to abort them by starving the Baby to death.

I need proof of this.

he has made many racist remarks ,

Prove it.

surrounded himself with criminals and terrorists

Prove it.

and continues to make promises that sound good yet he can not explain how he wants to get them done.

And McCain hasn't?

I am truly worried for our country if he is elected.

And I am truely worried for our country if you can vote.

At 10/23/08 10:00 PM, Saruman200 wrote: And McCain hasn't?

Not nearly as many as Obama has been caught for.

I need proof for these claims.

How about you go look them up for yourself? They are all over the internet.

Pfff...your right, that whole thing with the Senate is a sham. Also, Lincoln.

While your response to that guy's post was funny, I still think you're an idiot for supporting somebody who's only "experience" is being a Senator for two terms....

During the primary campaign. It happens. Nice job buying into the McCain bullshit.

Nice job for buying into the Obama/Communist bullshit.

I need proof of this.

As do I.. I don't know where the hell that guy heard that

Prove it.

As well as this one.

Prove it.

No problem. Socialism- Commie bastard Criminal ties- Criminal And this last one will sum everything up- Obama is not a citizen, is a Communist, and a Jihadist.

And I am truely worried for our country if you can vote.

As I am for you. I hope you come to your senses.

I also encourage yourself, as well as other confused Obama supporters, to red this article: http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/a rticle_21627.shtml I know good and well yall will deny everything in it. But, I do assure you that it is the cold hard truth whether you like it or not. It's kind of hard to hand over your paperwork when you have none... Now isn't it?

Further reading: http://obamacrimes.com/index.php
YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtX Zs

At 10/23/08 11:44 PM, HooglyBoogly wrote:

At 10/23/08 10:00 PM, Saruman200 wrote:

As do I.. I don't know where the hell that guy heard that

Prove it.

As well as this one.

First I would like to says thanks to HooglyBoogly for being intelligent enough to research both party candidate and make a informed decision , unlike many Obama supporters I have talked to who just think its cool to vote for him yet when I bring up points against him they know nothing he stands for, he is the true meaning of Big Government he thinks that the government should and will fix everything for us.
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Saruman200 seems to be the typical person I speek of, but maybe I am just a typical WHITE PERSON clinging to God and Guns. now who said that ? who said that a typical white woman is scared of a black man crossing her path ? who sits on the board with a person who bombed the pentagon, then threw his campaign opening party in his house ? latter to lie in a debate with McCain saying he never did that ? and was after 20 years of knowing a man and listening to him and calling him his spiritual counselor latter claimed to not know he was a Bigot, and extremist ??
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a person could go on forever about the many hypocritical, and negative points about Obama. and sorry buddy but yes I can vote and did 2 tours in Iraq so I can say I am a patriotic person who wants whats best for our country, that includes your freedom as well, do you know anything about the fairness doctrine ? do you support it ?

OK guys here you go I goggled the question and this is a fast link to the answer , but its everywhere so you can get deeper if you want, but yes Obama has the right to life is above his pay grade.

obama kills kids

At 10/25/08 12:48 AM, troubles1 wrote: obama kills kids

No he doesnt.

At 10/23/08 11:44 PM, HooglyBoogly wrote: I also encourage yourself, as well as other confused Obama supporters, to red this article: http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/a rticle_21627.shtml I know good and well yall will deny everything in it. But, I do assure you that it is the cold hard truth whether you like it or not. It's kind of hard to hand over your paperwork when you have none... Now isn't it?

Factcheck.org says that Obama's certificate is real. "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship." It seems reasonable to believe them...

At 10/25/08 12:48 AM, troubles1 wrote: First I would like to says thanks to HooglyBoogly for being intelligent enough to research both party candidate and make a informed decision

The fact that he says "Obama/communist" should be enough to discredit him...

Saruman200 seems to be the typical person I speek of, but maybe I am just a typical WHITE PERSON clinging to God and Guns. now who said that ? who said that a typical white woman is scared of a black man crossing her path ?

Racial stereotypes are embedded in our society and in all of us. I can see how people are offended by what he said, but racism is real, and so is racial stereotyping.

who sits on the board with a person who bombed the pentagon, then threw his campaign opening party in his house ? latter to lie in a debate with McCain saying he never did that ?

What is the point about Obama being on a board with bill ayers? Why should that concern me? I don't think that says anything about his character...

and was after 20 years of knowing a man and listening to him and calling him his spiritual counselor latter claimed to not know he was a Bigot, and extremist ??

I don't think rev wright's extremist views are shared by Obama...

a person could go on forever about the many hypocritical, and negative points about Obama. and sorry buddy but yes I can vote and did 2 tours in Iraq so I can say I am a patriotic person who wants whats best for our country, that includes your freedom as well, do you know anything about the fairness doctrine ? do you support it ?

The fairness doctrine I think has more to do with countering a monopoly of the radio, because the broadcast waves are limited, but I definitely don't support it, and neither does Obama.

oooh holy shit. Sitting here in socialist Norway hearing rumours about Obama being socialist was laughable. What a joke.

Little did I know, people actually believe it. Wow.

At 10/23/08 11:44 PM, HooglyBoogly wrote:

At 10/23/08 10:00 PM, Saruman200 wrote: And McCain hasn't?

Not nearly as many as Obama has been caught for.

Not true. If you want to compile a list of Obama lies then Ill go and compile a list of Mccain lies and we shall see. Until you can be bothered to do that (with solid sources) then stop spewing such rubbish.

I need proof for these claims.

How about you go look them up for yourself? They are all over the internet.

Then you wont mind pointing us to them.

Pfff...your right, that whole thing with the Senate is a sham. Also, Lincoln.

While your response to that guy's post was funny, I still think you're an idiot for supporting somebody who's only "experience" is being a Senator for two terms....

Thats not his only experience, hes been an American, and a member of the world. His VP Joe Biden has the experience in American Politics to back him up. I dare you to say the same for Palin.

During the primary campaign. It happens. Nice job buying into the McCain bullshit.

Nice job for buying into the Obama/Communist bullshit.

What? are you saying hes a communist? Are you really that retarded? Please explain.

I need proof of this.

As do I.. I don't know where the hell that guy heard that

Prove it.

As well as this one.

Prove it.

No problem. Socialism- Commie bastard Criminal ties- Criminal And this last one will sum everything up- Obama is not a citizen, is a Communist, and a Jihadist.

No he isnt. He is a citizen as that previous guy backed up. HE IS NOT A COMMUNIST. Raising taxes 3% does not make him a communist. You have to be stupid to believe that. How is he a Jihadist when he Isnt even a muslim? And even if he was muslim, how is he a jihadist? And if he is why isnt he comminting jihad and not running for president.

And I am truely worried for our country if you can vote.

As I am for you. I hope you come to your senses.

Back up your arguments before you make such stupid reports

I also encourage yourself, as well as other confused Obama supporters, to red this article: http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/a rticle_21627.shtml I know good and well yall will deny everything in it. But, I do assure you that it is the cold hard truth whether you like it or not. It's kind of hard to hand over your paperwork when you have none... Now isn't it?

Already been proven false

Further reading: http://obamacrimes.com/index.php

Full of unsourced absolute shit.

YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtX Zs

Wow, a youtube video. This is your amazing wealth of knowledge? Then please just dont vote.

At 10/25/08 12:48 AM, troubles1 wrote:
First I would like to says thanks to HooglyBoogly for being intelligent

Uh. He said that socialism was communism.

That's not intelligent, that's plain incorrect.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfga te/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=32223

*Shrugs shoulders* Worth a listen.

I'm voting for Obama because his views fit my views and when someone else's views fit my views when they are running for president, I vote for him/her!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllX gU

Proof Obama's elected because he's black.

I'm not trying to make a point in a racial way, but seriously think about it.

When I went to a polling station where you can vote early (just curious to see if i could spot any ACORN people) I heard some lady ask "Which party does Obama belong to again? Republicans right?"

I seriously felt like answering her question with a "yes" but I knew better to keep my mouth shut.

At 11/2/08 09:04 AM, slipknotfan591 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllX gU

Proof Obama's elected because he's black.

How about this. People voting for him because he is black will offset people not voting for him because he is black.

I'm not trying to make a point in a racial way, but seriously think about it.

When I went to a polling station where you can vote early (just curious to see if i could spot any ACORN people)

You dont even know what ACORN did do you?

I heard some lady ask "Which party does Obama belong to again? Republicans right?"

There are always going to be idiodts but there is just as many stupid voters on the Republican side then the Democratic side. This still does not mean she was only voting for Obama because he is black though.

I seriously felt like answering her question with a "yes" but I knew better to keep my mouth shut.

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9863 09/3 For the "Black people are just voting for Obama because he's black" goto my responce to the main thread on it.

If you take kerry v Bush numbers only 2% -11% more blacks are going to vote for Obama than voted for Kerry which means that at most 11% of blacks will vote for him with race as the TIPPING issue, and with Obama being more popular anyway, and rev wright being made into a pariah well I think it's likely that the same number of whites who vote for Mccain simply because he isnt black are the number who will vote for Obama because he is.

I heard someone earlier referring to Reagan's second term as a precident that Mccain isn't too old to be president.

Is it just me or was Reagan a doddering old alzhiemer's case long before he left office basically allowing his staff to run the whitehouse with little direction from him? Isn't this support for why 72 is too old to be commander in chief and not for it?

(Go ahead and tell me Mccain doesn't have alzheimer's and Ill remind you how many times he's had cancer and of his especially doddering performance debate 3)

for all the douche bags out their who think black voters only vote for him cause he's black ur wrong I guarantee it. I will say this O believe he has a percentage that only vote for himm cause he's black but think smart asses I guarantee a large percentage of white voters vote for him cause McCain's white.
Also people have even admitted they were voting for McCain just because the man is black. So I believe both of these guys have the same advantage just people are pressed over that black people are voting cause Barack is black. So get out their and vote and race doesn't matter get over it

Also come to my profile and comment on my post please

You people are the worst kind of racists. I'll bet you're the kind that is so guilty about being white you fear any other race and do whats best for them and not everyone as a whole. And you want people like Obama because you think racism would stop but it won't. I feel you just see a young man who is intelligent but has accomplished NOTHING during his first term as senator (and he's not even done with his first term) and go for whoever the media puts in their tank. Either A. It's because of the reasons I previously stated. or B. People are misinformed.

Of all the black people, why HIM. Again. I'm not being racist. Anyone voting for Mccain just bc 's he's white deserves a thrashing. I do not tolerate racism.

I asked a few blacks at my school who they'd vote for. Nearly all didn't give a straight answer other than "We need a black man as president, not some old white guy." Am I saying they're stupid because they're black? Hell no. But does anyone notice this pattern?

I mean, in that Howard Stern thing, you had him ask people (black/white, who cares) who they supported, and used some of Mccain's proposals and positions and stated them as if they were Obama's.

When asked what they thought of Obama's plan to keep troops in Iraq (Mccain's plan, really), they agreed. Black or white, people are just too damn misinformed.

Martin Luther King Jr. would weep.

and let me ask you all something.

What accomplisments or qualifications does Obama have that make him a better candidate than Mccain?

At 11/3/08 08:00 PM, slipknotfan591 wrote: and let me ask you all something.

What accomplisments or qualifications does Obama have that make him a better candidate than Mccain?

1. He doesn't believe in pure supply side economics. (supply side economics = dont tax the rich and they'll give you candy!)

2. He agrees with the US population that moving toward universal healthcare is what we need to do.

3. He agrees with the Us population that we definitely need to get out of Iraq fairly quickly.

4. He believe in public education instead of wanting the sabotage it by privatizing what little part we have left that's public.

5. He doesn't have a record or corruption.

6. He doesn't have a degenerative mental condition.

7. He has good judgement in running mates.

8. He's not beholden to the GOP for getting him elected.

9. He was a top member of his class in Law school (If not THE top member) not the bottom 5% like Mccain was.

10. Obama is 46, which is still damn old, wtf are we running the united states of the geriatric where you have to be 60 to be president? No i don't think so.

11. he has a doctorate in law, a pretty rare and impressive accomplishment.

12. He was a political community organizer,

13. He was a teacher for twelve years (Oh Im sorry youre a republican and hate education so teachers hold no respect for you)

14. practiced civil rights law (another thing thats a ding against for you I guess)

15. was immersed in the social networks of elite society on many nonprofit boards as director or member, and guess what being president really is, it's a social job where you need to know how to navigate these sorts of positions. Clearly he did pretty well at that.

16. Obviously he was a senator.

I'd rather have a guy with "limited" experience who I agree with as president than a guy who has experience who I couldn't disagree with more. At least "success" in an Obama administration won't be dismantling the life support systems that keep our economy running.

that's an interesting point of view, i know its a big issue for a lot of Americans the idea that your weaponry could be outlawed, im just interested are you not going to vote for Obama simply because of this or are there other contributing factors? I would go into the issue of guns but im sure thats for a different thread! I'm English by the way, in case it wasn't already clearly obvious!

At 11/3/08 09:01 PM, XaosLegend wrote:

At 11/3/08 08:00 PM, slipknotfan591 wrote: and let me ask you all something.

What accomplisments or qualifications does Obama have that make him a better candidate than Mccain?

1. He doesn't believe in pure supply side economics. (supply side economics = dont tax the rich and they'll give you candy!)

That doesn't mean that it's a good idea to tax the shit out of them, either. After all, the rich wind up setting market prices in the end through their control of big businesses.

2. He agrees with the US population that moving toward universal healthcare is what we need to do.

Meh. I have yet to see proof that doing so is in the best interest of the US.

3. He agrees with the Us population that we definitely need to get out of Iraq fairly quickly.

I'll save my arguments about Iraq for another thread. Suffice it to say, I pray that he at least sees the benefit in staying around long enough to rebuild.

4. He believe in public education instead of wanting the sabotage it by privatizing what little part we have left that's public.

Privatization =/= sabotage. Hell, public schools are where the biggest problems are, due to the bureaucracy and greed found in their leadership.

5. He doesn't have a record or corruption.

Linky?

6. He doesn't have a degenerative mental condition.

This is usually the part where I would make a crack about his policies being crazy enough, but I think I'll save it for later.

7. He has good judgement in running mates.

You mean, an ancient, pasty white Washington insider? So much for "change."

8. He's not beholden to the GOP for getting him elected.

Yeah.

He's beholden to the DNC.

9. He was a top member of his class in Law school (If not THE top member) not the bottom 5% like Mccain was.

Link?

10. Obama is 46, which is still damn old, wtf are we running the united states of the geriatric where you have to be 60 to be president? No i don't think so.

Presidents being old has a long-standing precedent behind it - it's about life experience more than anything else.

11. he has a doctorate in law, a pretty rare and impressive accomplishment.

Really?

12. He was a political community organizer,

Meh. Not really a good reason for us to elect him. It does speak well of his social suave, though.

13. He was a teacher for twelve years (Oh Im sorry youre a republican and hate education so teachers hold no respect for you)

Argument ruined by the daily dose of ad hominem.

14. practiced civil rights law (another thing thats a ding against for you I guess)

Another argument ruined by the daily dose of ad hominem.

15. was immersed in the social networks of elite society on many nonprofit boards as director or member, and guess what being president really is, it's a social job where you need to know how to navigate these sorts of positions. Clearly he did pretty well at that.

Aren't you just fueling the accusations that Obama is an elitist with this one?

16. Obviously he was a senator.

Yeah.

At least "success" in an Obama administration won't be dismantling the life support systems that keep our economy running.

I don't know - with all the social programs and energy bills he seems dead set on employing, he'll have to tax the shit out of us to make ends meet. A consumer with only living wages in his pocket isn't going to be supporting the economy with his dollar very much.

That doesn't mean that it's a good idea to tax the shit out of them, either. After all, the rich wind up setting market prices in the end through their control of big businesses.

Bush took it way to the right already and personally I think it was too far right when he took over to begin with so if Obama reverses that he's not exactly doing much but undoing the bush push. So we disagree on economics this is not a point of how I have no reason for supporting Obama.

Meh. I have yet to see proof that doing so is in the best interest of the US.

Well manufacturers even now see it as a good direction since it's the inefficient cost of labor in the US that keeps them shutting down domestic production.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn /A34899-2004Mar5?language=printer old article but i didnt look long and it's points are still applicable.

again we dissagree, well it's still a reason for my support which adds to the logic of my support vs the nonlogic you claim for Obama supporters

I'll save my arguments about Iraq for another thread. Suffice it to say, I pray that he at least sees the benefit in staying around long enough to rebuild.

And i pray he pulls away from imperial conquest as a foreign policy diagram and becomes an honest broker to help build a world economy with cooperation instead of intimidation. Once again big dissagreement, but I have a solidly formulated thinking on this issue as well

Privatization =/= sabotage. Hell, public schools are where the biggest problems are, due to the bureaucracy and greed found in their leadership.

public education is crap because it's locally funded and controlled gauranteeing a distribution of quality to those areas that already have the economic advantages result = reproduction of past inequalities. Being a public school teacher k-12 pays 40k a year, teachers usually need a bachelors degree to be a teacher and elementary school teachers are often required to get a masters soon after starting. the pay scale here for these degree levels is bottom of the barrel, meaning we get the worst people out of that qualification pool to be teachers, meaning we get crap public education. Public education still needs more cash, without which mandates and reforms should have no expectation of performing better overall than any company would expect when not willing to pay a competitive wage for the skillset they are seeking to attract out of the labor market. Once again we disagree... ect.

5. He doesn't have a record or corruption.

Linky?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Fiv e or search it yourself the Keating 5 was much related to current financial firm issues (you can argue it either way if you want to get nitpicky but meh) Also I tend to think the longer you've been in elected position the more likely you are to be corrupt. point Obama for not having that kind of experience minus Mccain.

6. He doesn't have a degenerative mental condition.

This is usually the part where I would make a crack about his policies being crazy enough, but I think I'll save it for later.

See reagan's mental condition after being sworn in at Mccain's age + Mccain's obvious signs of dodderhood.

7. He has good judgement in running mates.

You mean, an ancient, pasty white Washington insider? So much for "change."

I actually like Biden more than most vp's his 72 campaign ran on " withdrawal from Vietnam, the environment, civil rights, mass transit, more equitable taxation, health care, the public's dissatisfaction with politics-as-usual, and "change"" Sounds like stuff I like, sure he's got the been in gov a long time more chance to be corrupt, but he's also the poorest senator 100/100 http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archive s/2008/08/greetings_from_1/ which indicates to me that if he's corrupt he's not very good at it. I don't have a general problem with old white people, that's my dad and me someday so senate experience is something to be wary of but not the whole story.

8. He's not beholden to the GOP for getting him elected.

Yeah.

He's beholden to the DNC.

Which I prefer to the RNC, got to be one I'd prefer it to be the blue one.

9. He was a top member of his class in Law school (If not THE top member) not the bottom 5% like Mccain was.

Link?

Obama graduated magna cum laude, which i believe means at leat tied for first and being head of the harvard law revies i believe is a tie breaker. (most prestigious law publication in the country)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_
and_military_career_of_John_McCain
"McCain graduated from the Naval Academy in June 1958; he was fifth from the bottom in class rank, 894th out of 899"
guess i wasnt severe enough on Mccain I remembered it was super low, not even in the top 1% barely above the top .5% of his class (wowzers and i though bush was dumb/lazy)

10. Obama is 46, which is still damn old, wtf are we running the united states of the geriatric where you have to be 60 to be president? No i don't think so.

Presidents being old has a long-standing precedent behind it - it's about life experience more than anything else.

I thought it was about government office experience? Of course if we subtract Bush's drunk years from his useful "life experience" I think Obama probably comes out older on that metric.

11. he has a doctorate in law, a pretty rare and impressive accomplishment.

Really?

umm yes,

12. He was a political community organizer,

Meh. Not really a good reason for us to elect him. It does speak well of his social suave, though.

not the only reason but i like someone who actually gets involved with regular people and has an intimate understanding of their circumstances

Argument ruined by the daily dose of ad hominem.

So being a teacher is good experience to you or no?

14. practiced civil rights law (another thing thats a ding against for you I guess)

Another argument ruined by the daily dose of ad hominem.

another arguement you failed to respond to.

15. was immersed in the social networks of elite society on many nonprofit boards as director or member, and guess what being president really is, it's a social job where you need to know how to navigate these sorts of positions. Clearly he did pretty well at that.

Aren't you just fueling the accusations that Obama is an elitist with this one?

theyre all elitists sweetheart, not much more elite than being a CEO and owning more than a dozen homes anyhow.

16. Obviously he was(correction -is-) a senator.

Yeah.

At least "success" in an Obama administration won't be dismantling the life support systems that keep our economy running.

I don't know - with all the social programs and energy bills he seems dead set on employing, he'll have to tax the shit out of us to make ends meet. A consumer with only living wages in his pocket isn't going to be supporting the economy with his dollar very much.

Once agian we dissagree, if you didnt realize government is part of the economy, it's not like the money just dissapears, (anymore than privately when it dissapears into bank accounts as ten million dollar bonuses, and 750K $ executive parties (bailout celebration) I still am fairly certian he won't be raising most americans taxes and that the economy does better under the way democrats use government than republicans do.

At 11/3/08 09:01 PM, XaosLegend wrote:

At 11/3/08 08:00 PM, slipknotfan591 wrote: and let me ask you all something.

What accomplisments or qualifications does Obama have that make him a better candidate than Mccain?

1. He doesn't believe in pure supply side economics. (supply side economics = dont tax the rich and they'll give you candy!)

2. He agrees with the US population that moving toward universal healthcare is what we need to do.

3. He agrees with the Us population that we definitely need to get out of Iraq fairly quickly.

4. He believe in public education instead of wanting the sabotage it by privatizing what little part we have left that's public.

5. He doesn't have a record or corruption.

6. He doesn't have a degenerative mental condition.

7. He has good judgement in running mates.

8. He's not beholden to the GOP for getting him elected.

9. He was a top member of his class in Law school (If not THE top member) not the bottom 5% like Mccain was.

10. Obama is 46, which is still damn old, wtf are we running the united states of the geriatric where you have to be 60 to be president? No i don't think so.

11. he has a doctorate in law, a pretty rare and impressive accomplishment.

12. He was a political community organizer,

13. He was a teacher for twelve years (Oh Im sorry youre a republican and hate education so teachers hold no respect for you)

14. practiced civil rights law (another thing thats a ding against for you I guess)

15. was immersed in the social networks of elite society on many nonprofit boards as director or member, and guess what being president really is, it's a social job where you need to know how to navigate these sorts of positions. Clearly he did pretty well at that.

16. Obviously he was a senator.

I'd rather have a guy with "limited" experience who I agree with as president than a guy who has experience who I couldn't disagree with more. At least "success" in an Obama administration won't be dismantling the life support systems that keep our economy running.

....I asked for accomplishments, not what he believes.

What has he done that makes him a better candidate?

Aside from failing to stress an enforcement to the abortion law in Illinois, I can't think of anything he did or didn't do.

I'd rather have a guy with "limited" experience who I agree with as president than a guy who has experience who I couldn't disagree with more. At least "success" in an Obama administration won't be dismantling the life support systems that keep our economy running.

I find this very disturbing. He hasen't done jack shit, how do we know he's ready?

And you're drinking the kool-aid Obama is handing to you.

He is going to skullfuck this country into a communist state.

First with socialized medicine, then with his lie about tax cuts, and now this business about creating a gestapo-like government endorsed vigilante group.

He wants us to be like the rest of the world so they don't envy us.

So if you want to give up the principles our forefathers (whom, by the way, would NOT want Obama to run. They felt eloquent speakers with little experience defeat the purpose of an election) in favor of socialism, Marxism, and communism.

....I asked for accomplishments, not what he believes.

What has he done that makes him a better candidate?

Alot of what I mentioned was him "doing" things. What has Mccain "done" that I <- would see as good policy? Little to nothing that's what. If I'm trying to hire a guy to run my company and one comes in with lots of experience, but didnt do that good a job and proposes taking my company in a direction I don't care for at all vs another guy who is younger with LESS NOT NO experience, has been very successful in the experience he does have, ad wants to take my company in a direction very close to what I wanted to begin with guess what? I'm hiring the young guy.

Aside from failing to stress an enforcement to the abortion law in Illinois, I can't think of anything he did or didn't do.

that's because you like Mccain so you hear something he did and go "Wow, yeah that must have been a great accomplishment, like being against torture before he was for it, really savvy move there."

You hear about Obama who you already dislike and say, "That's no big deal, that's not "real" experience, being tortured and fighting in a war is so much cooler.

I'd rather have a guy with "limited" experience who I agree with as president than a guy who has experience who I couldn't disagree with more. At least "success" in an Obama administration won't be dismantling the life support systems that keep our economy running.

I find this very disturbing. He hasen't done jack shit, how do we know he's ready?

goto earlier part of my responce

And you're drinking the kool-aid Obama is handing to you.

goto earlier part of my responce

He is going to skullfuck this country into a communist state.

Youre overdramatic speculations aren't convincing me youre not just predisposed biased.

First with socialized medicine, then with his lie about tax cuts, and now this business about creating a gestapo-like government endorsed vigilante group.

gestapo vigilante group? Link? I love socialized medicine, forgive me for caring about people in my country.

He wants us to be like the rest of the world so they don't envy us.

Somehow I think he would prefer to stay a superior power, but hey maybe he just hates america and wants to sabotage it, hmm no I don't think so, maybe he hates the concept of a "real" america, but otherwise a guy running for president is generally my idea of patriotic, and you're opposition to every issue that helps most americans and is supported by most americans strikes me as at least somewhat unpatriotic

So if you want to give up the principles our forefathers (whom, by the way, would NOT want Obama to run. They felt eloquent speakers with little experience defeat the purpose of an election) in favor of socialism, Marxism, and communism.

I don't worship the forefathers, also the forefathers may have said such things but trust me they were quite horrified to hear anyone with a common background asserting political will. (The responce much later by the establishment when Jackson came around wasn't exactly a happy one, though he was the most popular president in history)

I tend to think people cling to forefathers and the constitution when they don't approve of the popular opinions and want to brand their elitism as patriotism, when in fact it's quite the opposite.

The Washington Redskins lost at home tonight, which statistically means Obama wins.

At 11/3/08 11:52 PM, Jezuz wrote: I don't want to hear you attack each other for 3 months. It doesn't make me like either one of you

Sorry everything isn't full of fairies and unicorns. Do you need more magic dust to get back to that little world in your head where everyone loves one another?

Well....i live in Sweden and all...but i think Obama will win. And it seams the rest of the world want's him to win. http://iftheworldcouldvote.com/