Well, since there are a lot of crap threads about the election, it's time to make a universal one so hopefully there will be less crap threads and more discussion in one general thread.
Anyway, it's Obama vs. McCain. New vs. Old. (quite literally, see things younger than McCain) Change vs. Consant.
Yes, I am biased, and I will be voting for Obama in November, but let's see what other have to say.
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I see McCain as still being valuable but not in a president position.
I am happy with both of the candidates this year as compared to last time when it seemed like we had two idiots to choose from.
Both Obama and McCain seem far more competent in comparison.
I'm a huge McCain supporter :]
I'm a real JFK fan. I liked many of his pragmatic policies and his ideas.
For those of you that do not realize it, Obama models his style of speech and policies off those of John F Kennedy. There is quite a strong connection there. I felt that JFK was a great president, one of my favorites, so I'd love to see this continue in the footsteps of Obama. Kennedy represented a younger generation, Obama is doing the same thing.
I think that McCain is too old to lead this country. He's an old man and represents older ideals. In todays changing world, having a museum piece in office is not going to help us. We need an ambitious and young president who has the balls to go against the grain.
Too make a republican connection, many of Bush's economic policies are similar to Ronald Reagan's.
IE: Cut taxes, deficit spend, large defense budget. I think that these policies are very harmful and have lead to the devaluation of the US dollar and recent economic slowdown. So in the sense that many Reagan conservatives voted for Bush, many Kennedy liberals will likely vote for Obama.
At 6/10/08 11:09 PM, AdamRice wrote:
I think that McCain is too old to lead this country. He's an old man and represents older ideals. In todays changing world, having a museum piece in office is not going to help us. We need an ambitious and young president who has the balls to go against the grain.
Too make a republican connection, many of Bush's economic policies are similar to Ronald Reagan's.
McCain is younger than Ronald Reagan was than he took office, Reagan led our country to knock down the Berlin Wall. He led this country while suffering a bullet, suffering from a stomach tumor and many other things. But I do think that Obama is a great candidate despite his political inexperience in the federal government field. Change is necessary in this country, that is what Obama is more likely to do than McCain.
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At 6/11/08 12:17 AM, tdominion520 wrote: McCain is younger than Ronald Reagan was than he took office, Reagan led our country to knock down the Berlin Wall.
One president can't claim all the glory for 30 years of policy and politics. Reagan was just in office when things finally coalesced. A fortunate happening for him, but not one soley attributed to him. The USSR had a lot more to do with it than the US specifically.
Change is necessary in this country, that is what Obama is more likely to do than McCain.
I like the look the of Obama's policies, and I'm likely to vote for him. Unfortunately, he is too idealistic. Most of his policies only work if people go along with them, and unfortunately, people make jobs out of getting around rules and laws. I'll be voting for him anyway come November, but I wouldn't expect to see a huge change or washington turned on its head. If you want that, you'd better vote for some other kind of person in your home state for the legislative branches where it matters. Someone not tied into the corruption. Good luck with that.
Also, I'm not officiating this topic. If another mod who frequents this forum wants to lock the thread they can. I think there are a lot of different things to discuss on the issue, and narrowing it down to one topic might not be the best course of action.
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As much as I like the Obama support (Yeah! Barack the vote!) This isn't a free +1 post with mindless go (insert name here) thread. It's a thread to discuss the multitude of issues that will go with the elections.
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in responce to AdamRice...
i agree with you completely..i was going to reply and quote but it said i had quoted to much..
i have one thing to add though..you said Reagan conservatives voted for bush,which is true, but you also said Kennedy Liberals are going to vote for OBAMA..looking back, Kennedy wasn't that liberal by todays standards
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At 6/11/08 08:01 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: As much as I like the Obama support (Yeah! Barack the vote!) This isn't a free +1 post with mindless go (insert name here) thread. It's a thread to discuss the multitude of issues that will go with the elections.
i agree, and as you can see, i just responded to someone..i just had to say i supported him...lol
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I repeat...
Funny how people say they want a bi-partisan government and "change", yet while Obama was in the Senate, he's been part of the select few of the opposition on bi-partisan bills and nominations, whereas McCain has co-sponsored many bi-partisan bills.
Obama talks about his "good Judgment" all while having associations with extreme characters, even launching his political career in the home of a terrorist.
Well there you have it. Obama's two greatest selling points are also his two greatest weaknesses.
Fucking idiots backing Obama, L-O-L
Obama wants to favored bans on handguns when he was in the Senate. That's all I need to know to realize he isn't the best choice for America.
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At 6/11/08 08:33 PM, Zeistro wrote: Obama wants to favored bans on handguns when he was in the Senate. That's all I need to know to realize he isn't the best choice for America.
lol, yeah i was like that, then i realized. its more fun having them when the gov't says you cant have em
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Adam i hope you understand that Kennedy was not even close to the kind of liberal obama is, 'by today's standards' as someone mentioned before.
Kennedy's legacy of domestic policy would also be nothing like Obama's... The only program i know of that Kennedy began was research of space exploration... Obama has BIG spending plans for this country, spending that even with tax hikes we cannot afford; soon they're won't be enough money to tax at all. If Obama is so pragmatic he should know that the US dollar is in the tank unless we start giving power back to the people. Mccain unfortunately is only slightly better, but i see Obama as more of a Jimmy Carter than a Kennedy; A Newcomer of hope.
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At 6/11/08 09:27 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Adam i hope you understand that Kennedy was not even close to the kind of liberal obama is, 'by today's standards' as someone mentioned before.
Kennedy's legacy of domestic policy would also be nothing like Obama's... The only program i know of that Kennedy began was research of space exploration... Obama has BIG spending plans for this country, spending that even with tax hikes we cannot afford; soon they're won't be enough money to tax at all. If Obama is so pragmatic he should know that the US dollar is in the tank unless we start giving power back to the people. Mccain unfortunately is only slightly better, but i see Obama as more of a Jimmy Carter than a Kennedy; A Newcomer of hope.
Agreed! I've seen both comparisons, but more to Jimmy Carter. It's a shame though, that Carter only got 1 term...I would have liked to seen him in the second term.
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At 6/11/08 09:29 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:
Agreed! I've seen both comparisons, but more to Jimmy Carter. It's a shame though, that Carter only got 1 term...I would have liked to seen him in the second term.
What do you like about him, exactly?
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At 6/11/08 09:27 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Adam i hope you understand that Kennedy was not even close to the kind of liberal obama is, 'by today's standards' as someone mentioned before.
Kennedy's legacy of domestic policy would also be nothing like Obama's... The only program i know of that Kennedy began was research of space exploration... Obama has BIG spending plans for this country, spending that even with tax hikes we cannot afford; soon they're won't be enough money to tax at all. If Obama is so pragmatic he should know that the US dollar is in the tank unless we start giving power back to the people. Mccain unfortunately is only slightly better, but i see Obama as more of a Jimmy Carter than a Kennedy; A Newcomer of hope.
yeah..even though obama is trying to follow Kennedy's footsteps...hes farther away than he realizes
Random thought:
neither of our candidates are as good as in years past, but obama seems better than Mccain to me...do you think he can win without hilary being his VP?..if she isn't his VP then the party is divided..in previous elections the party that is divided loses..
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At 6/11/08 09:38 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:
What do you like about him, exactly?
About Carter or Obama?
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At 6/11/08 09:39 PM, Sillyking44 wrote:
neither of our candidates are as good as in years past, but obama seems better than Mccain to me...do you think he can win without hilary being his VP?..if she isn't his VP then the party is divided..in previous elections the party that is divided loses..
He could always take bill! :P
You're right... Obama is going to have a tough time, Hillary's followers strongly beleive that Obama, the DNC, and the media betrayed the clinton legacy; they're colaborators to an unforgivable scheme that can only be punished by voting against Obama.
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At 6/11/08 09:43 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:At 6/11/08 09:39 PM, Sillyking44 wrote:neither of our candidates are as good as in years past, but obama seems better than Mccain to me...do you think he can win without hilary being his VP?..if she isn't his VP then the party is divided..in previous elections the party that is divided loses..He could always take bill! :P
You're right... Obama is going to have a tough time, Hillary's followers strongly beleive that Obama, the DNC, and the media betrayed the clinton legacy; they're colaborators to an unforgivable scheme that can only be punished by voting against Obama.
Yes, well having Hillary as VP would be a death sentence for the Democracts. Would not be good either way, I'm still guessing it will be Jim Webb.
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At 6/11/08 09:43 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:At 6/11/08 09:39 PM, Sillyking44 wrote:neither of our candidates are as good as in years past, but obama seems better than Mccain to me...do you think he can win without hilary being his VP?..if she isn't his VP then the party is divided..in previous elections the party that is divided loses..He could always take bill! :P
You're right... Obama is going to have a tough time, Hillary's followers strongly beleive that Obama, the DNC, and the media betrayed the clinton legacy; they're colaborators to an unforgivable scheme that can only be punished by voting against Obama.
Bill would be better than hillary if it came down to the two of them...maybe we should all vote for Ron Paul..he hasent given up yet..LOL
another random thought...do you think hillary would have chose bill as VP if she got the nomination? i would be embarrassed to be the first "First Man"
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Yes, well having Hillary as VP would be a death sentence for the Democrats. Would not be good either way, I'm still guessing it will be Jim Webb.
webb would be a good choice...did you hear that after 40 hrs obamas guy to help choose the VP was fired?
im out for a few hours guys i have a big storm coming in, fast
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At 6/12/08 01:52 AM, Memorize wrote: You do realize that we can't even continuously support our current Medicade and Social Security, right?
Can you continuously support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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At 6/12/08 08:21 AM, Grammer wrote:At 6/10/08 07:43 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: quite literally, see things younger than McCain)Liberal smear site
You have to admit though, that site is pretty funny.......
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At 6/12/08 09:11 AM, bcdemon wrote:At 6/12/08 01:52 AM, Memorize wrote: You do realize that we can't even continuously support our current Medicade and Social Security, right?Can you continuously support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Yes we can do this, but we can't continue to support Medicade and Social Security.
At 6/12/08 12:38 PM, AdamRice wrote:At 6/12/08 09:11 AM, bcdemon wrote:Yes we can do this, but we can't continue to support Medicade and Social Security.At 6/12/08 01:52 AM, Memorize wrote: You do realize that we can't even continuously support our current Medicade and Social Security, right?Can you continuously support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Either way we're still fucking screwed when it comes to the national budget.
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