Texas Capital Punishment

[Texsk8er56]

Lethal Injections are now considered "cruel and unusual" punishment. This makes no since. You do something bad enough to get the death penalty, You get the sentence. Then, after the long wait on death row, you get strapped to a comfy hospital bed, get a lethal injection, 10 minutes later, you eternally fall asleep.

Cruel? Unusual? I think not. Your thoughts?

[Der-Lowe]

I am against all forms of capital punishment; and so is the majority of the western world. Any form of systematic murder is cruel, in my opinion.

[Coherent]

At 6/10/08 08:24 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: I am against all forms of capital punishment; and so is the majority of the western world. Any form of systematic murder is cruel, in my opinion.

Furthermore the death penalty is racially and monetarily discriminate. You're much more likely to be sentenced to death if you're black or poor.

[GrammerNaziElite]

Furthermore the death penalty is racially and monetarily discriminate. You're much more likely to be sentenced to death if you're black or poor.

All manner of shit is more likely to happen to you if you are black or poor.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 6/10/08 08:28 PM, Coherent wrote:

At 6/10/08 08:24 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: I am against all forms of capital punishment; and so is the majority of the western world. Any form of systematic murder is cruel, in my opinion.

Furthermore the death penalty is racially and monetarily discriminate. You're much more likely to be sentenced to death if you're black or poor.

They're not sentenced to death BECAUSE they're black and poor, they are sentenced to death because they committed crimes deemed by the state as being worthy of capital punishment.

The REASON there's a higher percentage of blacks and poor people getting sentenced is because there's a higher risk of them turning to crime, usually because of economic factors.

If capital punishment is unlegalized, so too should law enforcement; because one is simply a stronger form of another. Since more blacks and poor people get arrested, law enforcement is clearly racist.

Hell... if somone DOES try to rape, murder, or steal from you; You should let them. Lest you become the aggressor.

This is why humanity cannot save human problems, we would be willing to save one life only to terminate 3-18 others, because ATLEAST the 3-18 are involuntary losses.

[Coherent]

At 6/10/08 08:38 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: They're not sentenced to death BECAUSE they're black and poor, they are sentenced to death because they committed crimes deemed by the state as being worthy of capital punishment.

Actually there is a surplus of evidence to support that the sentencings are based on color and wealth. The reason being is that the vast majority of the legal officials involved in sentencing a man to death are white. For example: a 1998 report reveals that 98% of all DA's in death penalty states are white. Furthermore, black people are frequently excluded from Jury to increase the chance of getting a guilty verdict. In fact, one 1986 training video specifically instructs prosecutors to exclude blacks from jury's

If capital punishment is unlegalized, so too should law enforcement; because one is simply a stronger form of another. Since more blacks and poor people get arrested, law enforcement is clearly racist.

There's a difference between getting arrested and being sentenced to death.

Another thing people are overlooking here, there's no way to compensate a dead guy if he's found to be innocent after the fact. And before anyone says that it's unlikely that we'll convict an innocent man, I urge you to look at the track record.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 6/10/08 09:19 PM, Coherent wrote:

At 6/10/08 08:38 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: They're not sentenced to death BECAUSE they're black and poor, they are sentenced to death because they committed crimes deemed by the state as being worthy of capital punishment.

Actually there is a surplus of evidence to support that the sentencings are based on color and wealth. The reason being is that the vast majority of the legal officials involved in sentencing a man to death are white. For example: a 1998 report reveals that 98% of all DA's in death penalty states are white. Furthermore, black people are frequently excluded from Jury to increase the chance of getting a guilty verdict. In fact, one 1986 training video specifically instructs prosecutors to exclude blacks from jury's

If capital punishment is unlegalized, so too should law enforcement; because one is simply a stronger form of another. Since more blacks and poor people get arrested, law enforcement is clearly racist.

There's a difference between getting arrested and being sentenced to death.

Another thing people are overlooking here, there's no way to compensate a dead guy if he's found to be innocent after the fact. And before anyone says that it's unlikely that we'll convict an innocent man, I urge you to look at the track record.

And many people have been shown to be SO completely guilty, and they are set free, only to commit several more crimes; you can't save a victims life once it has been taken. And your argument has little to do with criminal justice, it has to do with the legal system... You're racial argument is a good one, except it would seem to apply to all forms of punishment, picking all all white racist jury on a case of theft that would have the man sentenced to 20 years in prison...

[ByronicHero]

Now there's an idea:

Instead of just executing the criminal, let's just allow them to spend the rest of their lives with room and board (not exactly five star accomodation but way better than living out in the street), three square meals a day, running water, a fitness program, television, etc.; all courtesy of the American taxpayer.

Seriously though, I'm all for the death penalty. I also believe that we should get rid of all this red tape bullshit.

[Coherent]

At 6/10/08 09:35 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: And many people have been shown to be SO completely guilty, and they are set free, only to commit several more crimes; you can't save a victims life once it has been taken.

So that justifies the death penalty? We do have life imprisonment, it's much cheaper. It's also less barbaric.

You're racial argument is a good one, except it would seem to apply to all forms of punishment, picking all all white racist jury on a case of theft that would have the man sentenced to 20 years in prison...

Obviously yes, it applies to more than the death penalty, but like I said earlier... arrested is one thing, dead is another. One way or another it's pretty clear that the death penalty is an outdated and barbaric practice that we need to remove ourselves from.

[LeadSnake]

At 6/10/08 09:49 PM, ByronicHero wrote: Instead of just executing the criminal, let's just allow them to spend the rest of their lives with room and board (not exactly five star accomodation but way better than living out in the street), three square meals a day, running water, a fitness program, television, etc.; all courtesy of the American taxpayer.

Yeah, because putting a prisoner to death wouldn't cost very much at all. Only around $86 dollars per shot. Oh wait, I forgot about all the appeals and the years spent on death row which wind of costing the state millions of dollars per prisoner. News flash: any form of punishment is costly.

[ByronicHero]

At 6/10/08 09:57 PM, Coherent wrote:

At 6/10/08 09:35 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: And many people have been shown to be SO completely guilty, and they are set free, only to commit several more crimes; you can't save a victims life once it has been taken.

So that justifies the death penalty? We do have life imprisonment, it's much cheaper.

That's because so much time, effort, and money is squandered in attempting to prolong the inevitable for these worthless meatsacks. As I said before, we should abolish any red tape procedures. Things would go alot smoother if we could just dump all this moralistic garbage.

It's also less barbaric.

Boo-fucking-hoo. As long as it works, I have no qualms.

Obviously yes, it applies to more than the death penalty, but like I said earlier... arrested is one thing, dead is another.

Unless the convict had anything real to contribute, they are better off dead.

One way or another it's pretty clear that the death penalty is an outdated and barbaric practice that we need to remove ourselves from.

One way or another it's pretty clear that you're talking out of you ass. The death penalty has been around for millenia and has worked out fine. As long as something remains efficient, it is not outdated.

[ByronicHero]

At 6/10/08 10:26 PM, LeadSnake wrote:

At 6/10/08 09:49 PM, ByronicHero wrote: Instead of just executing the criminal, let's just allow them to spend the rest of their lives with room and board (not exactly five star accomodation but way better than living out in the street), three square meals a day, running water, a fitness program, television, etc.; all courtesy of the American taxpayer.

Yeah, because putting a prisoner to death wouldn't cost very much at all. Only around $86 dollars per shot. Oh wait, I forgot about all the appeals and the years spent on death row which wind of costing the state millions of dollars per prisoner. News flash: any form of punishment is costly.

You didn't read my next paragraph, did you? Well here it is just in case:

"Seriously though, I'm all for the death penalty. I also believe that we should get rid of all this red tape bullshit."

Abolish the ability to make any legalistic appeals and the cost for the death penalty would indeed decrease.

[Korriken]

the death penalty is outdated and primitive. i know i know, i've supported the death penalty in many threads, but hear me out.

instead of executions we need to set up labor camps. the labor camp is a lifetime punishment, no getting out unless you later found innocent. the labor will be intense and backbreaking. There will be no luxury afforded to them. any aggressive action against another inmate or a guard will result in immediate termination by the closest guard.

sounds like a concentration camp? meh, perhaps. except they will be making the government money and will be properly fed and clothed. however, their life as they know it will be over, with nothing else to look forward to will the day they die except the next day of work. no tv, no magazines, no books, no comforts, except their twin sized bed in a small cell.

If they refuse to work? well, they better hope they can catch a stray rat or roach and eat it, cause they earn 3 cents a day and meals cost 1 cent.

cruel? perhaps. unusual? perhaps. effective? you bet your ass it will be.

once they become too old to continue working they can be placed back in regular prison to live out their last few years.

[LordJaric]

At 6/10/08 09:57 PM, Coherent wrote: So that justifies the death penalty? We do have life imprisonment, it's much cheaper. It's also less barbaric.

The death penalty can be considered more humane then letting the person spend the rest of their life in prison where they can suffer from all kinds of stuff.

[ByronicHero]

At 6/10/08 10:34 PM, Korriken wrote: the death penalty is outdated and primitive. i know i know, i've supported the death penalty in many threads, but hear me out.

instead of executions we need to set up labor camps.

Not a bad idea.

Korriken I do believe you hit the nail on the head with this one.

once they become too old to continue working they can be placed back in regular prison to live out their last few years.

Or we could just kill them. One bullet to the skull is quicker, cheaper, and much more efficient than spending their final years in a cell provided by the taxpayer while the convict contributes nothing for it.

[ImaSmartass2]

You do know that it costs more for a jury to organize and decide whether an inmate is going to die or not than to pay for the inmates food.

I personally think that criminals should have at least some sort of work contributing to the community or generating electricy with treadmills I don't care. As long as they aren't sagging along in their pit of a jail I'm fine. Maybe we could eve offer some parole for hard workers.

[LeadSnake]

At 6/10/08 10:34 PM, ByronicHero wrote: Abolish the ability to make any legalistic appeals and the cost for the death penalty would indeed decrease.

You can't be fucking serious. We don't give the accused a fucking second chance? Do you have any idea how many people are found innocent when they appeal? All those innocent people would be put to death and you would be just fine with you because it saves a few bucks?

[Coherent]

At 6/10/08 10:36 PM, LordJaric wrote: The death penalty can be considered more humane then letting the person spend the rest of their life in prison where they can suffer from all kinds of stuff.

I don't think it's our right to make that decision for another person. I personally would rather have life imprisonment than death.

[defencereview]

Some people would rather choose to die, than have a life of constant boredom. And seriously, some people deserve it. They go out and kill innocent people who would have made a really good impact on the world.

[Memorize]

Before, during, and after the creation and ratification of the Constitution, we were sentencing people to death by hanging and firing squad for up to 100 years.

So all of you anti-death penalty morons who attempt to use the Constitution to support your argument, can go fuck yourselves with a rotting stick.

[SadisticMonkey]

I feel any criminal who commits a "bad" enough crime to warrant capital punishment probably is getting off too easily with practically instant, painless death.

[Korriken]

At 6/10/08 10:44 PM, ByronicHero wrote:

Or we could just kill them. One bullet to the skull is quicker, cheaper, and much more efficient than spending their final years in a cell provided by the taxpayer while the convict contributes nothing for it.

true, but then people would bitch that its a delayed execution. Consider also that you also worked em to the bone for probably 20-50 years and the only reason we would stop working them would be that they are probably dying already anyway.

[KingAdamTheGreat]

I think that since the death punishment is usuall given to murders,they should have to sufer as much as the person they killed.And if thats deemed cruel and unusual,so be it.

Its better than Nevada,they only have Hanging,Electric chair,and Firing Squad

[SmilezRoyale]

At 6/10/08 10:44 PM, ByronicHero wrote:

Or we could just kill them. One bullet to the skull is quicker, cheaper, and much more efficient than spending their final years in a cell provided by the taxpayer while the convict contributes nothing for it.

IF the hard labor is effective, then the convict is contributing whatever production his labor is worth. most buisnesses today pay workers far more than just the basic necessities; and yet they can maintain a profit.

[Zeistro]

At 6/10/08 11:33 PM, LeadSnake wrote:

At 6/10/08 10:34 PM, ByronicHero wrote: Abolish the ability to make any legalistic appeals and the cost for the death penalty would indeed decrease.

You can't be fucking serious. We don't give the accused a fucking second chance?

It would be an idea. Right now in Texas if they have both irrefutable evidence along with three eye witnesses you go to the front of the line in deathrow without any appeals.

Do you have any idea how many people are found innocent when they appeal?

Not a whole lot. And with the rabid advancement of forensic sciences..........well, it's make crime detecting even more infallible(for lack of better term).

All those innocent people would be put to death and you would be just fine with you because it saves a few bucks?

There wouldn't be "All" or a great amount since one of the few things that warrants the death penalty is first degree murder. It's not the fact we would save money, but for the fact people get unlimited appeals EVEN when we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're guilty as hell.

[CrazyRussianSniper]

What pisses me off is that most people are like OMG prisioners cost me money, we should kill them all. Mabey you should see where the majority of your tax dollars go (iraq anyone?).

[SmilezRoyale]

At 6/11/08 08:41 PM, CrazyRussianSniper wrote: What pisses me off is that most people are like OMG prisioners cost me money, we should kill them all. Mabey you should see where the majority of your tax dollars go (iraq anyone?).

The above statement is... False.

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only 16.6% of government spending goes to Defense.

Social Security, Medicare, and medicaid all togeather cost 44.9 percent, that's nearly half of the government's entire budget. If you add unemployment and welfare, that's another 13.1 percent.

All in all, social entitlement programs consist of 58 percent of the governments budget. 1,647,780,000,000 dollars in total. While the defense budget is 549 billion.

The government spends that much money and YET there was a time when these values were not even close to what they are now in terms of size, and a family of four could live comfortably on a single wage income.

The more the government helps; the worse it gets.

[thedo12]

you cannot take killing someone back

having the death penilty cuases people who belive in the death penality to more likly convict criminals while thoose ho do not belive are more likely to let them go.

however if someone is put in jail , you can free them if they are found innocent.

[Korriken]

the problem with most people is try to see EVERYTHING as A and Z with nothing in between.

ZOMGZ DETH PENULTY RULZ!! KEEL KRIMINULS!!!

or

ZOMGZ DETH PENULTY SUKZ!! INNUCINTS DY!!!!

We can all agree on 1 thing. the guilty must be punished severely. Life in prison drains money from the government. the death penalty drains money from the government. Labor camps would ADD money to the government. you labor until you become terminally ill or outright die. The shifts will be long and the work will be brutal. The government could build a labor camp by a stone quarry or a coal mine and make the prisoners mine the stone/coal with no unneeded machines.

While the labor wouldn't necessarily be brutal, the prisoner gets no compensation other than food and a place to sleep. no fun, no luxury. the ONLY thing they can possibly get is a short worship service on sunday mornings. And the prisoner gets 3 30 minute breaks in order to eat at 6 am 12 noon and 6 pm. the shifts will be 16 hour shifts 6 days a week. The only day of rest will be Sunday. Those refusing to work will be refused at the lunch line. Their own survival will depend on the prisoner. If the prisoner becomes ill, he will be tended to, once healhy, put back to work. If a prisoner becomes aggressive, he will be shot. No questions, no excuses. Any attempt at raping another prisoner will result in 3 months of work on sundays, meaning no days off for 3 months.

the work should not be easy under any circumstance. the food served will depend on the level of work the prisoner does. the more work they do, the more food they get. little work gets little food, abundant work gets a hearty meal. any attempt at stealing another prisoner's food will result in no food for 24 hours.

Any suicide attempts by a prisoner will not be prevented. If they wish to die, then the guards shall make no attempt to stop them.

I like the concept myself. it gets rids of the scum of society permanently and makes a profit for the government. the question would be: "what would the prisoners be doing?" give ideas perhaps!

[thedo12]

At 6/11/08 10:44 PM, Korriken wrote:
the ONLY thing they can possibly get is a short worship service on sunday mornings. And the prisoner . The only day of rest will be Sunday.

I stopped reading after I noticed you were a religous lunatic