Hey, good rant there reaper of ratings! You could have been more polite about it, but meh you probably wouldn't get the same amount and same type of responses :P
First off, I think the main problem with zero voters are the people who vote zero REGARDLESS of the submission. Read what Nal said and don't ignore his point. It will happen when you're on the front page of the AP, front page of the NG, front page of the genre your song is submitted in. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can witness submitting a 4+ minute song, only to recieve a zero vote one minute into the submission time, WHEN THE SONG HASNT EVEN FINISHED YET. That right there is the main problem. Now sir, you are legitimate voter. There is no (or atleast not as much of a) reason to hate you.
You don't need to make music to tell something is crap- but it really does help to be a musician, so you can better see it from an experienced perspective, and know how things work, and learn to appreciate all types of music more. Atleast that's what I believe. Why do you think auditors, teachers, buisness folk who at music centers who have experience get the job? Why 95%+ coaches and commentators for sports have actual experience as athletes? Because they know a thing or two about what they do, and if you were to actually get involved and try your hand in making music, not just listening and observing you would be a more qualified judge then you already are. Not trying to take anything away from what you said.
At 6/9/08 09:28 PM, reaper-of-ratings wrote:
but the truth is that no one gives a shit about your opinion when you haven't written music.
Have you ever thought of being a chef? Because right there is some o-so-delicious irony.
Do you really need a review to tell you that?
YES!
Many people aren't aware of their flaws (if they knew them, they would change them!) and even if they knew their flaws, they wouldnt know how to change them or why they are potentially bad without someone them telling them otherwise. Who didn't think (shutup Nav :D) their music was good when they first discovered the Sytrus silver saw preset, thought the FL pack samples might sound somewhat good, felt the FL Keys sounded pretty realistic without reverb, and generally felt their track was professional with no mixing at all. You can call me an idiot and I'd agree, but before I came to NG I had no idea about panning, eqing, clipping, all that other shit without reviews. I thought I was the only one who used FL presets and my sound rocked (making synths? WTF) and now I can see why they are frowned upon because they are more overused than ParagonX9's "Chaoz Fantasy" in flash submissions. That's just one of the reasons. You can zero vote me all you want. I know the score and whatever statistic means nothing ( saying it means nothing would be lie- but it's not what I focus on). The words and critiques you give are infinitely more important. Without other musicians and listeners teaching you, you would be left in the dark. Reading manuals can only take you so far.
At 6/9/08 09:16 PM, reaper-of-ratings wrote:
see - its idiots like this. I notice you didnt say anything CONSTRUCTIVE - which just proves that once again I am right and you are a piece of shit.
Yes, I agree with you. But before pulling the speck out of someone else's eye, you need to remove the log in your own. You've been registered since 04 and you only have 24 reviews, compared to your 1000+ zero votes over the years. If you sincerely want to help solve the problem of the overload of crap on the AP, its best to leave more reviews, say something CONSTRUCTIVE, rather than just leave ghost vote zeros.
At 6/9/08 09:40 PM, reaper-of-ratings wrote:
allright, fine - you have a point, I havent said WHY your songs suck.
If you song tries to make me go deaf - I will zero it. I dont mean the good heavy metal kind - I mean blatent garbage that peaks horribly and tries to destroy your eardrums.
Agreed!
If you song is any of these midi rips:
zelda, megaman, sonic, mario
you song will be zeroed every day until it is GONE. Not only is this the least amount of effort you can do - it is also one of 4 brands of songs that will get you blind fame regardless of how SHITTY your song is.
Right on! There's too much of that.
if your song has more samples than it does ACTUAL original content - it's zeroed - and in the old days - would be flagged.
Amen brother!
if it's stolen its obviously zeroed and reported.
Yes of course, there's a good amount of that too. Not that the reporting does any good tho, unfortunately.
if you come on the audio forum and bitch about how everyone zeroes your songs, and your stuff is really BAD sounding, or you come off sounding like you're the shit - and you're NOT goldencat - haha - you will be zeroed.
THANK YOU! There is way too much of that. I would also like to take the time to commend you on how awesome you are for making an original zero bombing thread, it gets really tiring hearing the same bitching over and over again.
If I have heard the song you remixed a billion times and it is just god-awful - I will zero it.
yep!
If I hear ANY unfiltered fl synths you're fucking going down - ESPECIALLY if it isnt your first song and all your songs are like that. There is no excuse to make crappy songs with fl studio - from what I have seen it is a powerful engine with vast potential.
Why yes, yes it is. And I'm glad you take into consideration there level of expertise. Unless youre a prodigy or analyze music for hell of a long time before starting to make and/or tweak your own synths I don't know how you would understand to make good synths from the start (again, shut up Nav :D) so theres nothing wrong with using the presets made by PROFESSIONALS at the start, and first working on your compositional skills.
If your song is crappy but it is your very FIRST song I will generally give you a break.
Phew! Thank you!
if you are overated and you stuff clogs the portal I might tone your songs down a bit - just to give others a chance.
Kudos, I guess. One of the positive aspects about zero voters (eh hate to say it) is that they prevent people like ParagonX9 making the top 30 every week. his music is fantastic and he's clearly one of the best on NG, but give others a chance plz if it's not a problem.
If you personally attack my brother based on his orientation and your stuff isnt PRISTINE your songs will get zeroed until there is nothing left of them. Noone messes with family.
Havent been on the AP long enough to say. I don't post too much but I do often actively read the forums and people's blogs, and keep up with the community. As I don't need to say, Chronamut is a very cool guy and makes very respectable music. I have yet to see anybody harass him yet regarding his preference even in this site where there is a lot of prejudious (sp) and saddistic MFers.