this years election

[Lemonparty]

I'm not sure if I'm going to vote or not this year...... It's not so much that I don't like either candidates, it's just that %95 of all the news has been about Obama and Hillary. They barely covered the republican race (while it lasted) and all people keep talking about is Obama's religious affiliation. seriously, our country was based on religious freedom, so why keep Obama bashing? don't get me wrong I'm not a democrat or a republican, so i'm not choosing sides. I always try to look at all the candidates individually, but it's kind of hard to keep an open mind when the media only shows democratic fanatics, democratic mudslingers, and democratic everything..... and people wonder why I smoke

[KingAdamTheGreat]

Well if you dont vote then you have no right to complain about anything that happens because of our new president

[Lemonparty]

At 6/8/08 10:17 AM, KingAdamTheGreat wrote: Well if you dont vote then you have no right to complain about anything that happens because of our new president

im sorry, was i complaining?

[Earfetish]

At 6/8/08 10:17 AM, KingAdamTheGreat wrote: Well if you dont vote then you have no right to complain about anything that happens because of our new president

Bullshit. You voted him in; it's your fault. I stayed at home and left it up to you - nothing to do with me - and it gives me the freedom to object to the majority position.

Last election I went out of my way to go to the polling station to deface my ballot paper - is my apathy somehow acceptable now?

[KarmaStrike]

Mccain all the way.

[ForkRobotik]

At 6/8/08 03:30 PM, KarmaStrike wrote: Mccain all the way.

Why?

[ImaSmartass2]

At 6/8/08 03:30 PM, KarmaStrike wrote: Mccain all the way.

Not a good idea...Even to write that on a forum...Especially here.....

[Earfetish]

At 6/8/08 03:57 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote:

At 6/8/08 03:30 PM, KarmaStrike wrote: Mccain all the way.

Not a good idea...Even to write that on a forum...Especially here.....

whut

why? I've not noticed this forum being fiercely anti-Republican at all

[Bookman60]

There's a few Republicans on the forum, but as a whole the BBS tends to be largely Democratic. I'm a Conservative first, Republican second. I just wish there was a decent candidate running... But I'll probably wind up voting for McCain due to the lack of better choices.

[troubles1]

At 6/8/08 03:47 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

At 6/8/08 03:30 PM, KarmaStrike wrote: Mccain all the way.

Why?

Because Obama, is a far left Liberal Extremist, with friends who intelligent people would call Terrorists, bombing the Pentagon, is a terrorist act.. and he went to a church for 20 years that is a Black Supremest church, and Anti -American Beliefs. he himself has made Racist remarks. his Wife is even more extreme in her anti-American, Anti-White , Hate filled Ideology.

Whenever asked Why he would associate himself with such people , or why it would take him 20 years to figure out they teach Hate, his comments usually are You know the great thing about me it we can just move past this. NO we want a answer. we do not want to move past it.

We want to know why he would negotiate with Terrorists , why National security is not important to him , why his life has been influenced by Hate teachings.
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I support the war in Iraq. I want to win, I and many Americans know and understand that pulling out is a big mistake. I also feel Children are not a Punishment, unlike Obama who thinks otherwise. I also do not want to pay for Welfare people to Leach more of of me.
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I want more Boarder security, and tough laws on Illegal immigrants who Drain us, to the extent of refusing Any Medical Care unless they have cash in hand. no food , or living should be granted, there children should be sent back even if Born here, the Loop hole they exploit should be filled..
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I believe in Immigration legal , and I would love to see each person who wants to be a American get it, but they should serve in the Military for 4-8 years first to earn there citizenship..

I do not like the Cap and trade idea, but each candidates are for it but I dislike his the most. and his Health care Idea is also not going to be a good thing it will make our health care worse.
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Taxes are High enough , I do not want to pay more fore things I did not Buy.

He will get to nominate lots of judges who will be here long after the damage he would cause is gone, they will continue destroying the principles we want and stand for.. a case in point of the type of anti democratic and anti people , is the judge in California who went against the voice of the people and said he does not care what the majority want in the Gay marriage issue. if Obama gets in he will fill our government with such people who have there own agenda and do not care what the people want.. that is a very scary thought..
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He has little if any real experience, even as a Senator he accomplished Nothing, other than vetoing bills. If you think otherwise list his accomplishments.
Those are a few reasons as to why I do not want him in office, I am not a big supporter of McCain either but he is definitely not going to destroy America like Obama would..

[SmilezRoyale]

proclaiming support for Mccain isn't as inflammatory here as it is on other boards, there are a sizable am mount of people on this forum who lean to the right on MOST issues that could defend a statement like that. never the less; if you support a candidate you had best be ready to defend your reasoning; both for your own good and because if you can't, your reasons might not be as good as you think! :P

[TheCrazed]

At 6/8/08 03:30 PM, KarmaStrike wrote: Mccain all the way.

you my sir are a nun-chuck

[Bolo]

At 6/8/08 04:36 PM, troubles1 wrote: Because Obama, is a far left Liberal Extremist, with friends who intelligent people would call Terrorists, bombing the Pentagon, is a terrorist act.. and he went to a church for 20 years that is a Black Supremest church, and Anti -American Beliefs. he himself has made Racist remarks. his Wife is even more extreme in her anti-American, Anti-White , Hate filled Ideology.

If Obama had truly drunk the koolaid of his wacko preacher, he would have never launched a positive, uplifting, post-racial campaign.

In fact, his campaign would have resembled the angrier, and more populist variant proffered by John Edwards.

Obama most likely made a tactical decision earlier in his career to join Trinity to gain "street cred" and solidify support in key voting districts in Ill. Twenty years isn't an outrageous amount of time when you're talking about solidifying career opportunities. The move was successful within the political landscape of Illinois, but is now a liability.

He now has no impetus to continue his affiliation with a church that he didn't really care about in the first place beyond acting as a springboard to local acceptance.

The Wright issue is really becoming overwrought and stupid. Just think this one out - if he was actually inspired by this nut (and this is the question which the entire Wright affair must be based) his campaign would look like those of Sharpton or Jackson at best.

[ForkRobotik]

It's funny how most people on this planet would agree with the preachers' sermon, yet americans see it as "wacko." I wonder how many of you have actually listened to the whole thing. Seriously, his point was on reflection, committing to a personal spirituality and relationship with god, and against aggressive warfare that the american government has committed against many nations around the world.

[Zeistro]

At 6/8/08 11:31 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: It's funny how most people on this planet would agree with the preachers' sermon, yet americans see it as "wacko." I wonder how many of you have actually listened to the whole thing. Seriously, his point was on reflection, committing to a personal spirituality and relationship with god, and against aggressive warfare that the american government has committed against many nations around the world.

Saying the US created AIDS to kill off blacks is wacko, fool. That automatically makes anything he says null and void.

[ForkRobotik]

At 6/9/08 12:19 AM, Zeistro wrote: Saying the US created AIDS to kill off blacks is wacko, fool. That automatically makes anything he says null and void.

Your president has conversations with god, why is he not locked up?

[troubles1]

At 6/8/08 10:46 PM, Bolo wrote:

At 6/8/08 04:36 PM, troubles1 wrote:

If Obama had truly drunk the koolaid of his wacko preacher, he would have never launched a positive, uplifting, post-racial campaign.

In fact, his campaign would have resembled the angrier, and more populist variant proffered by John Edwards.

No it would not he is a Great speaker, and he is almost if not better than Bill Clinton was at winning over the Crowd. he would never have gotten this far if he opened his speech with Kill Whitey, or God Damn America, or The White Government created Aide to kill the Black Man, and lets not forget The White man Created Gangster Rap to make us Kill each Other. he thinks it, he and his wife probably laugh at the Ignorance of the people blindly following him .

You did it yourself instead of asking him why he believes that way or did not see the truth you said basically the same crap he does Lets just get past this that whats so great about me. we want change Whatever if he is elected that is all we will have in our Pockets CHANGE...

[Zeistro]

At 6/9/08 12:21 AM, ForkRobotik wrote:

At 6/9/08 12:19 AM, Zeistro wrote: Saying the US created AIDS to kill off blacks is wacko, fool. That automatically makes anything he says null and void.

Your president has conversations with god, why is he not locked up?

This isn't about Bush, this is about Obama's pastor. The man's obviously mentally unstable and caters to basically the commie left of the dem party. If you'd like to bring up Bush in the Bush Topic then do so.

[alchemylord]

At 6/8/08 04:36 PM, troubles1 wrote:

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Because Obama, is a far left Liberal Extremist, with friends who intelligent people would call Terrorists, bombing the Pentagon, is a terrorist act.. and he went to a church for 20 years that is a

Black Supremest church, and Anti -American Beliefs. he himself has made Racist remarks. his Wife is even more extreme in her anti-American, Anti-White , Hate filled Ideology.

You mean Bill Ayres right. You know the guy he served on one board with. Also who commited those actions when Obama was a teenager. Yeah ignore the fact that it is a multi-racial church and it has done endless good for the community.

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We want to know why he would negotiate with Terrorists , why National security is not important to him ,

You mean him meeting the Iranian president without conditions. An idea most Americans agree. Also I believe FDR said "We must never negotiate out of fear but we must never fear to negotiate. Never heard him say he does'nt care about national security

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I support the war in Iraq. I want to win, I and many Americans know and understand that pulling out is a big mistake. I also feel Children are not a Punishment, unlike Obama who thinks otherwise. I also do not want to pay for Welfare people to Leach more of of me.

Define win. If winning is overthrowing the dictator. We won. If winning is establishing a democratic government. We won. If winning is establishing an economy. We won again. If winning is training a competent Iraqi army and police force. Look at that we won again. If winning is keeping our soldiers over there when they don't need to be. We lost big time.

You do realize in that same day he called children a blessing. When he referred to them as a punishment he was talking about teen pregnancy. You know the pregnancy that usually causes young girls to drop out of school and have no future. Never heard hom say he would increase welfare either.

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I want more Boarder security, and tough laws on Illegal immigrants who Drain us, to the extent of refusing Any Medical Care unless they have cash in hand. no food , or living should be granted, there children should be sent back even if Born here, the Loop hole they exploit should be filled..

You mean the loophole in the constitution. All candidates support increased border security. All candidates also support some sort of amnesty and support for illegal immigrants.

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I believe in Immigration legal , and I would love to see each person who wants to be a American get it, but they should serve in the Military for 4-8 years first to earn there citizenship..

Or you know go through the process your immigrant ancestors went through .

. and his Health care Idea is also not going to be a good thing it will make our health care worse.

And McCain's privatization of health care would be better and make healthcare accesible to all Americans. Now who else has tried tto privatize healthcare and actually made healthcare harder to get. I think it began with a G.

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Taxes are High enough , I do not want to pay more fore things I did not Buy.

So you are in the top 1% he will raise taxes for.

He will get to nominate lots of judges who will be here long after the damage he would cause is gone, they will continue destroying the principles we want and stand for.. a case in point of the type of anti democratic and anti people , is the judge in California who went against the voice of the people and said he does not care what the majority want in the Gay marriage issue. if Obama gets in he will fill our government with such people who have there own agenda and do not care what the people want.. that is a very scary thought..

So gays aren't people and shouldn't have the freedom to get married and share the same benefits as straight people.

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He has little if any real experience, even as a Senator he accomplished Nothing, other than vetoing bills. If you think otherwise list his accomplishments.

HOPE Act
The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
The 2007 Government Ethics Bill
The "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.
Summer Learning demonstration project to provide summer learning grants and encourage new teaching methods.
Obama's Global Poverty Act of 2007,

Those are a few reasons as to why I do not want him in office, I am not a big supporter of McCain either but he is definitely not going to destroy America like Obama would..

Heh you'd be suprised that's what they said about Bush in 2000.

[Idiot-Finder]

As of now I'm pretty much undecided.

[n64kid]

At 6/8/08 03:57 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote:

At 6/8/08 03:30 PM, KarmaStrike wrote: Mccain all the way.

Not a good idea...Even to write that on a forum...Especially here.....

General has the leftist nuts, politics has plenty of users who prefer the RIGHT method to do things.

Now like I've stated, I'm for Mccain but would probably leave the country to dodge higher income taxes/capital gains tax if Obama gets elected.

So I've never heard of any good course of action Obama plans on doing which doesn't spell long term disaster with the exception of net neutrality which isn't a real issue in the US anyways. Can someone say anything good about Obama besides him having a piece of his name attatched to a couple bills? I honestly need someone to go Cellardoor on me to present real thought out ideas and not the half-baked tripe that spews out of his dopey mouth.

To quote Obama at rally at my school, "I'm going to tax the corporations, cut the military, and increase (5 second pause) jobs." And this ridiculous statement straight from the horse's mouth got him 30 seconds of applause.