Lawsuit reform

[JoS]

Who thinks the civil law system needs to be changed. I mean people sue companies and indivduals for no good reason and sometimes win. I mean that lady who spilled coffee on herslef while driving got millions. The robber who got locked in the garage while robbing a house and had to eat dog food for a week sued the home owners and won. A robber who broke in a home and slipped on a wet floor and injured himself sued and won. 900 000 overweight Americans sued Herseys Chocolate because the products made them fat and the additives (peanuts, caramel etc) made them addicitive. These people were in some cases eating boxes a day and won over $10 billion. Smokers suing cause they got cancer from smoking. Come on people, does anyone see a problem with this?

[Chaoslight]

true, it's insane, but think of how america would be if you weren't allowed to file any lawsuityou wanted.

We don't need lawsuit reform, we need smarter americans.

[JoS]

When you can sue a victim for injuries sustained through actions of your own stupidity incurred while committing a criminal act and win, something is wrong.

[bumcheekcity]

At 10/14/03 09:07 PM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: When you can sue a victim for injuries sustained through actions of your own stupidity incurred while committing a criminal act and win, something is wrong.

I think that if you are aware of what your actions are doing to yourself, then you can't sue. I.e. getting cancer from smoking, obese from mcDonalds etc.

[Solamnus]

The only lawsuit I agree with was the one against Phillip-Morris; i.e., cigarettes. They should have been sued for billions of dollars because they intentionally made cigarettes addictive. However, I do not believe that the indiviuals should have recieved that money. It should go to cancer research instead.

[Pseudoname]

At 10/15/03 12:20 PM, Solamnus wrote: The only lawsuit I agree with was the one against Phillip-Morris; i.e., cigarettes. They should have been sued for billions of dollars because they intentionally made cigarettes addictive.

That I'm going to have to say no to. People knew that cigarettes can cause harm to their lungs, addictive or not. And people should be smart enough to know that when so many people have tried to kick the habit and failed that it was addictive and not because they wanted to pollute their lungs some more.

:However, I do not believe that the indiviuals should have recieved that money. It should go to cancer research instead.

That, however, I can agree with.

[bumcheekcity]

At 10/15/03 01:33 PM, Psuedoname wrote: That I'm going to have to say no to. People knew that cigarettes can cause harm to their lungs, addictive or not. And people should be smart enough to know that when so many people have tried to kick the habit and failed that it was addictive and not because they wanted to pollute their lungs some more.

True. If you dont know that fags cause lung cancer, you dont have the common sense to stand as a procecutor in court anyway. Isn't nicotine addictive anyway, so they can't make cigarettes addictive, because they already are?

However, I do not believe that the indiviuals should have recieved that money. It should go to cancer research instead.

True, or maybe just straight to the Government as a fine.

[JoS]

The thing with the cigarette lawsuits is as soon a the company pays out one, then another lawyer brings in another suit against them, and it continues on and on from there.

[JoS]

Plane crash lawsuit. An Air France plane crashed recently in Canada. No one died or suffered serious injury. Its blamed mostly on weather conditions. A woman is suing fro $75 million, currently the lone plaintifee for as her lawyer quotes minor back and neck pain and psychological issues.

$75 million for minor neck and back injuries, this is rediculas. Its not like she can't walk anymore. $75 million is 50 times what she would ever make in her whole life if this crash never happend, and I doubt very much her medical bills are that big. This has got to end.

[BeFell]

People hope shit like that will happen to them just because they feel it would somehow entitle them to money they didn't earn and certainly don't deserve. I was vacuming the floor a work when a customer mentioned he just had to "accidently" trip over the cord and he would never have to work another day in his life. It's disgusting to me that he was right.

[RoleplayerX23]

At 10/14/03 06:15 PM, Chaoslight wrote: We don't need lawsuit reform, we need smarter americans.

Also smarted judges

At 10/14/03 09:07 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: When you can sue a victim for injuries sustained through actions of your own stupidity incurred while committing a criminal act and win, something is wrong.

Yea whats next that cop shot me wheil i was perforeming armed robbery im sueing.

[BeFell]

At 8/7/05 08:46 PM, RoleplayerX23 wrote:

At 10/14/03 06:15 PM, Chaoslight wrote: We don't need lawsuit reform, we need smarter americans.

Also smarted judges

It's not the judges, it's that jury of your peers non-sense.

At 10/14/03 09:07 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: When you can sue a victim for injuries sustained through actions of your own stupidity incurred while committing a criminal act and win, something is wrong.

Yea whats next that cop shot me wheil i was perforeming armed robbery im sueing.

That happens all the time. Haven't you seen any of those videos of people resisting arrest and getting maced or the shit kicked out of them then turning around and suing?

[RoleplayerX23]

We need to set up a line in the sand if you will, there should be a big diffrance between that and real police brutality.

[BeFell]

At 8/7/05 08:51 PM, RoleplayerX23 wrote: We need to set up a line in the sand if you will, there should be a big diffrance between that and real police brutality.

I think there is a clear distinction, as long as the person is white it's ok.

[RoleplayerX23]

What do you mean?

[Ravens-Grin]

It seems like we need protection from our own choices.

[totalwar]

Just one question JoS, you do know this was done before? It was a thread titled "what can't you get sue win" or something like that. It was around when I first started posting. Ask around, especially Jimsween. The whole thing boiled down to a discussion of the McDonald's law suit where the lady spilled coffee on herself.

[BeFell]

At 8/7/05 09:09 PM, RoleplayerX23 wrote: What do you mean?

When was the last time you heard of riots in the street because police beat up a white felon?

[LazyDrunk]

At 8/8/05 12:20 AM, BeFell wrote:

At 8/7/05 09:09 PM, RoleplayerX23 wrote: What do you mean?

When was the last time you heard of riots in the street because police beat up a white felon?

You'd have to have a black officer doing the beating. And even then, when's the last time you saw a black officer go into a trailer park to pull out your stereotypical white guy to arrest him?

[ReiperX]

First off if you are doing something illegal and something happens you should be illegible for sueing, except in cases of bruce brutatlity.

And I do agree lawsuit reform definately need to be done. The McDonalds part where the woman spilled her coffee, yes she was an idiot, and also the McDonalds did have their coffee much hotter than they should. But I think the line should have been drawn at paying her legitimate medical bills and no father.

[Jimsween]

At 8/7/05 07:53 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: $75 million for minor neck and back injuries, this is rediculas. Its not like she can't walk anymore. $75 million is 50 times what she would ever make in her whole life if this crash never happend, and I doubt very much her medical bills are that big. This has got to end.

The amount given is not determined by what they deserve as much as it is determined by how much it would take for the company to get the point.

And this isn't to say she will get that at all, thats what she is requesting, the Judge and Jury can say fuck her and give her less, or they could give her nothing.

[Jimsween]

At 8/8/05 05:26 AM, ReiperX wrote: But I think the line should have been drawn at paying her legitimate medical bills and no father.

Then how is Mcdonalds ever going to learn? Medical bills are nothing to them.

The reason she got 3 million was because that is approximately how much Mcdonalds makes on coffee in one day. Doesn't seem so stupid now does it?

[ReiperX]

At 8/8/05 05:32 AM, Jimsween wrote:

At 8/8/05 05:26 AM, ReiperX wrote: But I think the line should have been drawn at paying her legitimate medical bills and no father.

Then how is Mcdonalds ever going to learn? Medical bills are nothing to them.

The reason she got 3 million was because that is approximately how much Mcdonalds makes on coffee in one day. Doesn't seem so stupid now does it?

Its still 3 million dollars, there is no way in hell she actually deserves anywhere close to that much for something that she was partially responsible for. If a company continually breaks safety and health guidelines do the one thing that will start to get them to listen. Strip them of their business liscenses.

[Jimsween]

At 8/8/05 05:35 AM, ReiperX wrote: Its still 3 million dollars, there is no way in hell she actually deserves anywhere close to that much for something that she was partially responsible for. If a company continually breaks safety and health guidelines do the one thing that will start to get them to listen. Strip them of their business liscenses.

And why does that work better than a lawsuit?

Lawsuits do what the the Federal Government cant, we want to avoid bureaucracy not create more. So an old lady gets more then she deserves, thats better then letting businesses run rampant or shutting down businesses every time a minor thing comes up.

[ReiperX]

At 8/8/05 05:44 AM, Jimsween wrote:

At 8/8/05 05:35 AM, ReiperX wrote: Its still 3 million dollars, there is no way in hell she actually deserves anywhere close to that much for something that she was partially responsible for. If a company continually breaks safety and health guidelines do the one thing that will start to get them to listen. Strip them of their business liscenses.

And why does that work better than a lawsuit?

Lawsuits do what the the Federal Government cant, we want to avoid bureaucracy not create more. So an old lady gets more then she deserves, thats better then letting businesses run rampant or shutting down businesses every time a minor thing comes up.

I said continually. Every business is going to screw up every once in a while. But rewarding someone who did not earn it is rediculous, and teaches bad ethics to the public. Markes it easier for someone to make an accident happen, and then reap the rewards of hurting themselves and not having to ever work again for doing so purpposefully. I guess I'm different that I actually would like to earn my money, and not leach off of the system or others for the rest of my life. But if a company repeated to break regulations, especially when it came to safety fining them isn't going to do that much. But stripping them of their business liscense for repeat offenders of the same things would begin to make businesses small and large take a closer look at to the rules they are breaking, and increase their chances of fixing them. It wouldn't take many shut downs at all to open everyone's eyes. I'm not saying shut down the entire McDonald's chain, just the stores that keep repeating the same violations after they have been warned about them.

[Proteas]

Can't you be held in contempt of court for filing a frivolous lawsuit like that? (Like the french woman suing for $75 million for minor injuries)

[ReiperX]

At 8/8/05 02:48 PM, Proteas wrote: Can't you be held in contempt of court for filing a frivolous lawsuit like that? (Like the french woman suing for $75 million for minor injuries)

Probally depends on the country, but I'd hope so. Its a waste of tax payer money.

[JoS]

On the topic of it opens the companies eyes to problems. Well why does all that money have to go to the "victim". Lets use McDonalds. why should she get $3 million? Presumablly thats far mroe then she will make in a lifetime, maybe even 2 lifetimes? Why not give said money to something worthwhile, some charity or something?

Yes I know another topic was made on similar issues, it was a woman suing because two girls selling cookies scared her. If you look at the date, my topic was created first.

Police beatings, its only a problem if the cop and criminal are different races.

Want to hear a more outrageous one then getting shot while robbing a bank. A robber slipped and fell on the floor in a house he broke into. Sued and won.

And finally, lawsuits are teaching bad ethics. People are able to earn more money than they ever would at their job, and often its undeserved money. I know there are alot of lawsuits with merit, but things like this and others (we can all think of one) need to be thrown out, and the people who bring them up and their lawyer thrown in jail for contempt of court. Honestly does this woman deserve $75 million? Will this lawsuit bring about change in the agencies that are being sued? Nope, the investigations and reports about the accident will. Its sorta like kicking a man when he is already down.