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Another rant about how ridiculous Kingdom of the Crystal Skull got, then...

Okay just a hypothetical situation here.
Imagine that the INS somehow managed to get all of the illegal immigrants out of the USA tommorow. Everyone goes 'YIPPEE!!! No more evil mexican immigrants ruining our country!" But then we realize that there are no janitors, farm workers, construction workers, or any other essential but low paid people in the US. (Alright this is a little bit exaggerated but most of these positions are held by aliens) BUt we have to ask, why are mexican immigrants the only one taking these jobs? Because that job is below me goddamnit!! I Wont do it because I can find something better!

Personally I think we should be letting far more of them in legally than we currently do. America is supposed to be the land of opportunity, a nation of immigrants. But we are so afraid of mexicans 'stealing our jobs' that we can forget that.

At 6/1/08 03:15 PM, ntrokel wrote: Okay just a hypothetical situation here.
Imagine that the INS somehow managed to get all of the illegal immigrants out of the USA tommorow. Everyone goes 'YIPPEE!!! No more evil mexican immigrants ruining our country!" But then we realize that there are no janitors, farm workers, construction workers, or any other essential but low paid people in the US. (Alright this is a little bit exaggerated but most of these positions are held by aliens) BUt we have to ask, why are mexican immigrants the only one taking these jobs? Because that job is below me goddamnit!! I Wont do it because I can find something better!

Personally I think we should be letting far more of them in legally than we currently do. America is supposed to be the land of opportunity, a nation of immigrants. But we are so afraid of mexicans 'stealing our jobs' that we can forget that.

Suddenly, all my younger friends wouldn't have any more trouble finding entry-level jobs. Imagine that.

Do you think jobs just grow on trees here or something? They don't - sorry.

The jobs that illegals take are generally ones that are undesirable to Americans. Illegals take them because they pay more then better quality jobs do in Mexico (or wherever). Trust me, your friends are not having jobs taken away from them.

At 6/1/08 03:15 PM, ntrokel wrote:

:BUt we have to ask, why are mexican immigrants the only one taking these jobs? Because that job is below me goddamnit!! I Wont do it because I can find something better!

Considering a job as being below you just because it doesn't pay well speaks more for your ego than it does for your premise. Maybe you think that working in construction isn't glamorous enough for your refined tastes, but to a student in need of a summer job its an opportunity to full his college fund. Why look to people from other countries when we can draw from our own unemployed population?

At 5/29/08 01:34 AM, P-I-N wrote:

At 5/29/08 01:15 AM, hocusPokus wrote: I can't beleive how soft we are on illegal immigrants! To summarize they get to come here, take up social services, schools, hospitals, that stuff. They get welfare and medicare, and yet they dont pay a dime in taxes! Hardworking citizens pay for their 6 kids!

Screw amnesty we should find a way to keep our cheap labor BUT be able to tax them

I think you only heard what your parents told you.

Yes, there is a problem with immigration, but:

Border patrols are not soft with them.
They do not have social services
...or a school
...neither hospitals
They pay for them 6 or 7 kids
They are more than 30% of hardworkers trying to live the "american dream" and have to hide from everyone.

We don't have hospitals in a sense too sometimes. If your Healthcare denies you like they usualy do, your screwd. Proof-My mother had to go to court over the such case.

Your a fucking imbasile, If an illegal wanted to use these services they would have to be on the register and hence wouldnt be able to use them without being sent back. And don't say they get past it because they don't - end of/.

I need to address the fact that Americans, as well as Canadians can be considered illegal aliens,
since they stole the land from the aborigionals, and killed the Aztecs, and Mayan's.

there were no aztecs and Mayans in the US and Canada

and also, when you conquer a land, it becomes yours.

At 5/29/08 01:15 AM, hocusPokus wrote: Screw amnesty we should find a way to keep our cheap labor BUT be able to tax them

let them into the country to work legaly then, cause they'll do all the crappy jobs no-one else is willing to.

I agree with you 100%,why should they get a free ride and the hard working people of America get to pay for it

At 5/29/08 10:11 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: They should stay. But yeah taxes.

R u fucking crazy, your saying memebers on the Mara Salvatrucha [MS-13] should stay in this country and just get taxed? I don't fucking think so.

As much as I hate illegal immigrants, I hate corporations. They sell the high level positions and markets to other countries. If anything THEY should be blamed more (damned republicans....f*** their party and f*** it good.).

My gripe with illegals:

Cant pay car insurance so our insurance rates are higher no thanks to them crashing us and cant pay for it.
Use hospitals and cant pay medical insurance.
And finally those that ARE trying to stay here are getiing away with it in loopholes.

Immigrants that worked hard to get into USA LEGALLY earn my respect.
Illegal immigrants that are just coming in here to cause problems piss me off. Ah well at least a tall wall will replace the border.