Binladen in media...

[sirtom93]

I would have to say it is rather poor taste how people represent Osama Bin Laden in western media, mocking his ideals. I saw a program on bbc 3 called "the wall" and in it osama binladen was portrayed by an actor saying "death to the west" and the new film "where in the world is osama binladen" seems pretty fucked up aswell. I am no-one to support terrorism of any kind but I think these kind of mockerys may upset muslim extremest, best just leave that area completely alone and let our troops deal with it.

[Sajberhippien]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF5gKEcPD qY&NR=1

[sirtom93]

At 5/28/08 09:14 AM, Sajberhippien wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF5gKEcPD qY&NR=1

Mhmm yes?

[LegendaryAwesome]

At 5/28/08 08:40 AM, sirtom93 wrote: I would have to say it is rather poor taste how people represent Osama Bin Laden in western media, mocking his ideals. I saw a program on bbc 3 called "the wall" and in it osama binladen was portrayed by an actor saying "death to the west" and the new film "where in the world is osama binladen" seems pretty fucked up aswell. I am no-one to support terrorism of any kind but I think these kind of mockerys may upset muslim extremest, best just leave that area completely alone and let our troops deal with it.

I completely agree with you, the western media does demonize extremists too much. I dont think its right to call these people evil and shit. I mean, bush killed m hell of alot more civilians than the extremists in 9/11, but you dont see the media calling HIM evil. The Media follows the people with money, and the people with money want to justify the war for more money, and they fool people thanks to the media.

[Jizzlebang]

Okay. Keep in mind that this guy stands for principles such as oppressing women, he crashed WTC, and he's behind thousands of civilian deaths.
Bin Laden has been behind countless terrorist acts and plans, and you don't want to offend him? You're afraid that you might hurt his feelings?

What the fuck is this shit?

[LegendaryAwesome]

At 5/28/08 10:11 AM, Jizzlebang wrote: Okay. Keep in mind that this guy stands for principles such as oppressing women, he crashed WTC, and he's behind thousands of civilian deaths.
Bin Laden has been behind countless terrorist acts and plans, and you don't want to offend him? You're afraid that you might hurt his feelings?

What the fuck is this shit?

And what the fuck? YOUR leader doesnt kill civilians? he has killed 100 times more than bin laden! Where are the WMDs in iraq? None. It was a lie. Dont be naive. e went there for the oil. And you going to fucking join a discussion make an intelligent comment you prick. The guys making a legitimate point and you just have to fuck it up dont you?

[sirtom93]

Ok I am not going to get into a discussion about the iraq war because sadam hussain needed to be sorted out and from the persepctive of a british citizen the british army were there for a good reason, I cannot quote on behalf of Americans and I personaly have little opinion on George bush but that may just be the media, It warps our minds.

I think It should stop because it is just in poor taste, in that one clip they were exchanging converstation with osama bin laden, I just thought it was extremely fucked up. It is like "oh heres hitler, lets talk to him" hitler : "fuck all the jews, they can all die". Why can they not just leave it alone, there just jepordising the UN's army peackeeping regime with taliban militants in countrys like afagnistan and iraq.

[Zeistro]

At 5/28/08 10:16 AM, LegendaryAwesome wrote: And what the fuck? YOUR leader doesnt kill civilians?

You do realize the guy you're responding to is from Norway and not the United States?

.....ass

he has killed 100 times more than bin laden!

Really? So Bush has gone around with his Texas sixshooter and executed 300,000 people or did he order the intentional targetting of civilians?

Where are the WMDs in iraq?

Either dismantled, nonexistent, or moved out of the country. How do you explain all those canisters of sarin gas?

None. It was a lie.

So receiving faulty intelligence due to the manipulation of Saddam Hussein himself, and therefore, acting upon it is a lie?

Dont be naive.

Don't be a paranoid fuckwit....oh wait.

e went there for the oil.

That's why americans are getting screwed at the gas pump and why the price for a barrel of oil have gone up expotentionally for all the oil companies....

You really ought to read the writing on the wall before making bold statements with no basis in reality.

And you going to fucking join a discussion make an intelligent comment you prick.

You really have alot of nerve. Nothing has this moronic topic starter or you said consitutes as intelligent. Every sort of slander or ill-treatment Osama Bin Laden gets is undeserved because he warrants it for being a no good piece of shit human-being without an ounce of character.

Boo hoo, you're scared about pissing off extremists. First of all, they're already pissed off at you and I because they believe we're godless infidels. Second, who gives a damn what they think?

The guys making a legitimate point and you just have to fuck it up dont you?

Jizzle is exposing the idiocy of your post by reminding you what an asshole Bin Laden is. I have no sympathy for the bastard and I'd have no qualms with NATO Forces torturing him if he were caught.

[sirtom93]

Do not call me moronic, your being as irogant as the person you quoted. You have to remember moralls about the issue and that free speech is sometimes taken to literaly.

[hippl5]

At 5/28/08 08:40 AM, sirtom93 wrote: I am no-one to support terrorism of any kind but I think these kind of mockerys may upset muslim extremest, best just leave that area completely alone and let our troops deal with it.

They believe that their magical man in the sky told them to wage war on anyone who doesn't agree with their religion, and you don't want to upset them?

[Sajberhippien]

At 5/28/08 01:21 PM, hippl5 wrote:

At 5/28/08 08:40 AM, sirtom93 wrote: I am no-one to support terrorism of any kind but I think these kind of mockerys may upset muslim extremest, best just leave that area completely alone and let our troops deal with it.

They believe that their magical man in the sky told them to wage war on anyone who doesn't agree with their religion, and you don't want to upset them?

Well, it's kind of stupid to upset them then, isn't it? I mean sure, the ones who already are in some kind of terror-organization won't be affected, but those on the edge, who dislike both the western world for forcing our culture upon them and the extremists for forcing their views upon them, may get tilted more to the extremists side if we're into too much mockery and teasing.

I mean, it's not like the non-violent fundamentalists are gonna like freedom of speech more when all they see of it is when it's misused to harm others.

[sirtom93]

Thats what im talking about, they have to be carefull not to insult non extremist muslims.

[Al6200]

At 5/28/08 08:40 AM, sirtom93 wrote: I would have to say it is rather poor taste how people represent Osama Bin Laden in western media, mocking his ideals.

His ideals are stupid. There's no reason not to mock them.

I saw a program on bbc 3 called "the wall" and in it osama binladen was portrayed by an actor saying "death to the west" and the new film "where in the world is osama binladen" seems pretty fucked up aswell.

Okay.

I am no-one to support terrorism of any kind but I think these kind of mockerys may upset muslim extremest, best just leave that area completely alone and let our troops deal with it.

If someone is already a follower of Bin Laden - they already hate the west. It's not like someone sympathizes with Bin Laden, but has a neutral view of the US until they see him being mocked on TV.

[Jizzlebang]

At 5/28/08 10:16 AM, LegendaryAwesome wrote:
And what the fuck? YOUR leader doesnt kill civilians? he has killed 100 times more than bin laden!

I'm Norwegian

Wheere are the WMDs in iraq? None. It was a lie. Dont be naive. e went there for the oil. And you going to fucking join a discussion make an intelligent comment you prick. The guys making a legitimate point and you just have to fuck it up dont you?

Yeah, fucking up a shallow point is such a travesty. I think Bush should be held responsible for every crime he's done. I really do. But that doesn't mean we can disregard Osama B and what he's done.

And for Iraq;
Yes, the entire world was blindsided by half true facts and manipulation, but that doesn't mean Osama is a good guy. It means both Bush Jr. and Osama are responsible for civilian deaths. You make it sound like one nullfies the other.

Both responsible.

K?
K.

[hippl5]

At 5/28/08 03:51 PM, sirtom93 wrote: Thats what im talking about, they have to be carefull not to insult non extremist muslims.

Fuck it. let's nuke them all.

[Jizzlebang]

At 5/28/08 04:54 PM, Jizzlebang wrote: Stuff I just said

Shit, there's supposed to be a great deal there in quotation.

[LordJaric]

*cough*troll*cough*

[sirtom93]

At 5/28/08 05:13 PM, LordJaric wrote: *cough*troll*cough*

Who is a troll?

[LordJaric]

At 5/28/08 05:52 PM, sirtom93 wrote:

At 5/28/08 05:13 PM, LordJaric wrote: *cough*troll*cough*

Who is a troll?

you dumbass

[CaptainChip]

I'm not respecting a terrorist.

[Memorize]

At 5/28/08 10:01 AM, LegendaryAwesome wrote:

I completely agree with you, the western media does demonize extremists too much.

What?

I dont think its right to call these people evil and shit.

What?!

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

Honestly, I agree. We should at least respect someone as our enemy... demonize them, sure, insult them, sure... but it's weird what they do to Osama Bin Laden. It's like he's regarded as some type of demonic, Hitler-resembling beast. He's not. He's an enemy to the United states, he's a criminal, and he's a murderer, and he deserves to be executed. But he is a human; a very, very bad human. We should view him the same way we view Mugabe or whomever else.

[LegendaryAwesome]

At 5/28/08 12:13 PM, Zeistro wrote:

At 5/28/08 10:16 AM, LegendaryAwesome wrote: And what the fuck? YOUR leader doesnt kill civilians?

You do realize the guy you're responding to is from Norway and not the United States?

.....ass

Now i do, sorry to that guy.

he has killed 100 times more than bin laden!

Really? So Bush has gone around with his Texas sixshooter and executed 300,000 people or did he order the intentional targetting of civilians?

He knew there were civilians when he bombed them moron. He just didnt care.

Where are the WMDs in iraq?

Either dismantled, nonexistent, or moved out of the country. How do you explain all those canisters of sarin gas?

As i said, A lie, they say it was faulty intelligence, but whatever, they WERE NOT THERE! Only a moron still would not accept this fact.

None. It was a lie.

So receiving faulty intelligence due to the manipulation of Saddam Hussein himself, and therefore, acting upon it is a lie?

Are you stupid? Oh wait you are. But let me explain you douche : THEY ACTED UPON IT FOR THE OIL, THEY USED THE EXCUSE OF WMDs TO GO IN THERE FOR THE OIL MORON!

Dont be naive.

Don't be a paranoid fuckwit....oh wait.

Im not. But you still naive.

e went there for the oil.

That's why americans are getting screwed at the gas pump and why the price for a barrel of oil have gone up expotentionally for all the oil companies....

You really ought to read the writing on the wall before making bold statements with no basis in reality.

Same with you.

And you going to fucking join a discussion make an intelligent comment you prick.

You really have alot of nerve. Nothing has this moronic topic starter or you said consitutes as intelligent. Every sort of slander or ill-treatment Osama Bin Laden gets is undeserved because he warrants it for being a no good piece of shit human-being without an ounce of character.

WTF? you are just the same as the other guy. As i said, bush killed 100 times more, but no one is calling HIM a no good piece of shit in the media. Moron.

Boo hoo, you're scared about pissing off extremists. First of all, they're already pissed off at you and I because they believe we're godless infidels. Second, who gives a damn what they think?

Its guys like you that make them want to kill us.

The guys making a legitimate point and you just have to fuck it up dont you?

Jizzle is exposing the idiocy of your post by reminding you what an asshole Bin Laden is. I have no sympathy for the bastard and I'd have no qualms with NATO Forces torturing him if he were caught.

Bin laden is not the good guy. I never said so, i was never sympathetic to him. Dont take words out of my mouth. What im saying is WHY IS BIN LADEN BEING DEMONIZED SO MUCH WHEN BUSH DID JUST AS MUCH HORRORS BUT ISNT EVEN BEING DEMONIZED AT ALL. Moron.

[LordJaric]

At 5/28/08 10:16 PM, LegendaryAwesome wrote: He knew there were civilians when he bombed them moron. He just didnt care.

You do know that there was a war going on, right, civilians, no matter how hard we try to avoid it, will always die. It is called collateral damage and it will always happan in war.

[LegendaryAwesome]

At 5/28/08 10:24 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 5/28/08 10:16 PM, LegendaryAwesome wrote: He knew there were civilians when he bombed them moron. He just didnt care.

You do know that there was a war going on, right, civilians, no matter how hard we try to avoid it, will always die. It is called collateral damage and it will always happan in war.

I know that, but it would make more sense to use ground forces to clear the area instead of bombing everyone in it. They could have sent ground forces, but no, they hurried and killed thousands of civilians.
But the point i was making was to me, the war is not justified, so the civilian losses are just the sam as the losses in 9/11. I mean, is terrorism not an act of war?

[LordJaric]

At 5/29/08 12:54 AM, LegendaryAwesome wrote: They could have sent ground forces, but no, they hurried and killed thousands of civilians.

You are over exaggerating. Suicide bombers are responsable for more civilan deaths than those who died by our hands.

[LordJaric]

Besides the smartest thing to do is take out the threat from the air first, get air supremacy, then send in the troops.

[Zeistro]

At 5/28/08 10:16 PM, LegendaryAwesome wrote: Now i do, sorry to that guy.

You should apologize to the rest of the Poli Section for lowering the overall IQ of anyone who had the misfortune of reading your idiotic post.

He knew there were civilians when he bombed them moron. He just didnt care.

So....with this failed logic, we can deemed any leader, president, tactician etc who declared war on a nation are war criminals because they know there'd be civilian deaths. I guess they're murderers in your book because they were aware of any collateral damage done, right?

Looks like Abe Lincoln, Sir Winston Churchill, DeGaulle, Montgomery, Washington, Hamilton and many more are the spawns of Satan for intiating war, despite knowing there'd be innocents killed in the crossfire.

As i said, A lie,

You didn't answer my question: how do you explain the canisters of sarin gas among other biological agents with the potential to kill hundreds of thousands?

they say it was faulty intelligence, but whatever, they WERE NOT THERE!

And it was faulty intelligence. The MI6, Mossad, current CIA, Clinton Administration, and even arms of the Russian intel community were 100% certain Saddam had nuclear capabilities or was trying to obtain as evidenced by documents detailing his attempted procurement of enriched uranium from Sudan(Later proven to be a hoax by Saddam to scare off any Middle Eastern threats, but they had no idea of knowing this until they were actually able to seize documents containing the truth within Bagdhad archives and decript them over several years.

Only a moron still would not accept this fact.

Yes, because stockpiling VX in scecret bunkers is perfectly acceptable and it even a weapon of mass destruction.

eyerollie.

Are you stupid? Oh wait you are.

Isn't answering a your own rhetorical question a demonstration of this?

But let me explain you douche : THEY ACTED UPON IT FOR THE OIL, THEY USED THE EXCUSE OF WMDs TO GO IN THERE FOR THE OIL MORON!

And I'm telling you, look at the writing on the wall. If they went to Iraq solely for the oil then why in the hell is could oil approach $200 per barrel within the next decade? Would not the price for this resource actually go down as opposed to up? No, the whole "Blood for oil" mantra quoted by brainless fools like yourself is just that: something to bitch and complain about without bothering with realities or truths. Why don't you actually exam the how much the price of oil has skyrocketed for corporate America after the Iraq War? Why would the the current administration want to go to Iraq for billions of dollars of oil when the war will cost over a trillion in the long run?

Im not. But you still naive.

You've clearly demonstrated what a demogogue and sheep you are. Why don't you even bother fact checking before spouting off some of this regurgitated crap?
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/25/n ews/oil.php

e went there for the oil.

Zeistro Wrote:

That's why americans are getting screwed at the gas pump and why the price for a barrel of oil have gone up expotentionally for all the oil companies....

You really ought to read the writing on the wall before making bold statements with no basis in reality.

LegendaryAwesome Responded:
Same with you.

Holy shit, you just burned my ass good! I asked and questions(which you failed to answer) and then concluded with a word of advice.......only to have you come back with the line "Same with you." Man, you're one clever, clever little boy. We better watch out for you or you just might get us with your wit and superior debating skills. Did I mention how badly you burned me?

Oh by the way, if you bother to respond to this post, I'd really like to hear your explanation on the two above.

WTF? you are just the same as the other guy. As i said, bush killed 100 times more, but no one is calling HIM a no good piece of shit in the media. Moron.

And by this failed logic concocted by your retarded little mind, all the great military leaders are murderers, monsters, and war criminals because they go to war even knowing full well that civilians living in enemy territory would perish.....

Its guys like you that make them want to kill us.

I actually believe they're pissed off because they believe Occident is full of godless heathens who live in hedonistic societies.

By the way, would you happen to be an atheist who enjoys the Western lifestyle?

Bin laden is not the good guy.

Therefore, he deserves neither consideration or mercy...

I never said so, i was never sympathetic to him.

You were sympathetic enough to start BBBBAAAWWWING with this topic starter about the fact people mock him.

Dont take words out of my mouth.

Trust me, I wouldn't do that. Why would I want to stick my hands with where many cocks have been? :)

What im saying is WHY IS BIN LADEN BEING DEMONIZED SO MUCH WHEN BUSH DID JUST AS MUCH HORRORS BUT ISNT EVEN BEING DEMONIZED AT ALL.

And this illustrates how fucked your mind is. This thread isn't about Bush, it's about Osama Bin Laden. The fact you have to drag Bush into this confirms how mentally ill you are and addled with classic Bush-Derangement syndrome.

If you wish to speak make your uninformed views regarding Bush go to the Official Bush Topic, but not here where there's a bigger asshole to fry(Bin Laden).

Moron.

Yes yes, we already know that you are.

[LegendaryAwesome]

At 5/29/08 01:04 AM, LordJaric wrote:

At 5/29/08 12:54 AM, LegendaryAwesome wrote: They could have sent ground forces, but no, they hurried and killed thousands of civilians.

You are over exaggerating. Suicide bombers are responsable for more civilan deaths than those who died by our hands.

Thats not true. Most of the deaths occured within the first 3 years of the war, the highest of which was the first year, because of the invasion.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/