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At 5/20/08 05:29 PM, tawc wrote:

That's not true. Only a small percent of Americans now are of British descent. In fact, Americans of German descent make up a larger portion of the population.

Wrong again cellardoor. You Still fail to realise the difference between English and British.

You fail to realize the difference between the UK and Britain.

British-Americans will amost certainly be the highest ancestory group in the United States.

Nope.

Britain is Scotland, England, and Wales, it does not include Ireland.

US Census - Ancestry of Total Population:

German: 50,764,352

Compare that to Britain:

English: 28,290,369
+
Scottish: 6,006,955
+
Welsh: 1,959,794

Combined British-Americans: 36,257,118

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There are more German Americans than there are British Americans.

Even when combined with Scotch-Irish it's only 41,650,672, still less than the 50,764,352 Americans of German descent.

Howether I will presume that you didn't really get that wrong but infact just ignorantly made a misconception, A common mistake amoung many people, but I wouldn't expect it from someone so knowlegable as you... You were saying British when meaning English.

Nope, I wasn't. You and I both know that I know the difference.

Anyway you also as ushall put to much faith into you beloved statistics. But cannot see past them, This happens alot amoung the more clever of us. It's called close-mindedness.

Pfft.

You read in the United States Census that Germans, Africans, Irish then English are the largest ancestry group.

No, I read that Germans make up the largest ethnic group in the US, and I did only simple math to come to the conclusion that this makes up a larger proportion of the US than the combined ancestries from Britain.

Allthough you fail to realise that, that is what people claim.

And apparently I'm supposed to believe what you personally claim instead... interesting.

English Settlers (as well as the rest of Britain) were the first Settlers to arrive en masse.

Yeah, and then after the Revolution that changed. Then we got a whole lot of immigrants from all over the world in periods of waves at different times, from different regions. Germans made up the biggest by far, though.

So it's likely a very very large amount of Americans will have English blood to a degree but just not know about it.

And it's almost certain that they all have Africa blood far back enough and in even smaller proportion to their overall make up. Does that mean all Americans are African Americans?

Face it, there are more Americans of German descent than there are of British descent, specifically English. Hell, it's kind of odd we're even saying "British" as if people within Britain identify as having a singular ancestry anyway. "British" is not even an ancestry, because it's an island with multiple cultures and ethnicities. You'd be hard pressed to find a British person emphasize being solely "British" if he's English, Welsh, or Scottish. That's kind of like a US citizens of mixed ethnicity today saying simply "American" when asked about their ancestry.

Germans arrived en masse much later and therefor are easily to find in family records.

And they arrived in greater numbers and at more recent time, therefore make up a larger proportion of the US populations current ethnic background.

Secondly People don't like to say they are English. If you are mixed English, Irish. Which a huge amount of Americans will be

How?

The Irish were fleeing Ireland (hello, potato famine maybe?), and came here literally by the boatload. How exactly are they English?

Nearly all of them will label themselves Irish

Probably because they are, and their Irish ancestors were not English.

Because Ireland is seen (and probably is) nicer, more romantic, more friendly, generally cooler to be ,etc

Wow, no it's not. That's definitely not the stereotype, at all.

At 5/20/08 09:47 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: The Irish were fleeing Ireland (hello, potato famine maybe?), and came here literally by the boatload. How exactly are they English?

Ever heard of the Ulster Plantation?

At 5/20/08 09:47 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

You fail to realize the difference between the UK and Britain.

How do I? You said British when you blatently ment English. I corrected you.

British-Americans will amost certainly be the highest ancestory group in the United States.

Nope.

Yes, certainly

Britain is Scotland, England, and Wales, it does not include Ireland.

When did I say it did?

US Census - Ancestry of Total Population:

German: 50,764,352

Compare that to Britain:

English: 28,290,369
+
Scottish: 6,006,955
+
Welsh: 1,959,794

Combined British-Americans: 36,257,118

Thats from the 2006 Census, yet in the 1980's Census over 50 Million were reported English and therefore add the people who reported themselves Scottish, Welsh it is over 60Million.

Nope, I wasn't. You and I both know that I know the difference.

No you weren't. You were meaning English. Why would you say British? British like you say isn't even an ethnic type.

You read in the United States Census that Germans, Africans, Irish then English are the largest ancestry group.

Allthough you fail to realise that, that is what people claim.

And apparently I'm supposed to believe what you personally claim instead... interesting.

Well it is. Explain how in 1980's over 50Million Americans claimed English Ancestory. While now it is under 30 Million. If it's not what people claim.

Then It must be Mass genocide, Evacuation, Displacement, emmigration. Stop relying on your fucking statistics, close minded fool.

1980's 50Million English-Americans
2006 23Million English-Americans

English-Americans in 1980 were more numerous than German-Americans this present day!

English Settlers (as well as the rest of Britain) were the first Settlers to arrive en masse.

Yeah, and then after the Revolution that changed. Then we got a whole lot of immigrants from all over the world in periods of waves at different times, from different regions. Germans made up the biggest by far, though.

English immigration kept coming.
Even in 1860 at around the time of the biggest amount of German immigrants. English Americans were still 35% of the population. Before the Huns arrived the percentage would of been alot bigger.

So it's likely a very very large amount of Americans will have English blood to a degree but just not know about it.

And it's almost certain that they all have Africa blood far back enough and in even smaller proportion to their overall make up. Does that mean all Americans are African Americans?

Were talking about American history Not human history...'douch bag'

Face it, there are more Americans of German descent than there are of British descent, specifically English. Hell, it's kind of odd we're even saying "British" as if people within Britain identify as having a singular ancestry anyway. "British" is not even an ancestry, because it's an island with multiple cultures and ethnicities. You'd be hard pressed to find a British person emphasize being solely "British" if he's English, Welsh, or Scottish. That's kind of like a US citizens of mixed ethnicity today saying simply "American" when asked about their ancestry.

I don't need to face it. I don't give a shit about American Ancestory, but your wrong in saying German ancestory is the largest.
Yes it is kind of odd were saying 'British'. You the one who mentioned it. I CORRECTED YOU.

The Irish were fleeing Ireland (hello, potato famine maybe?), and came here literally by the boatload. How exactly are they English?

When did I say they were English. I'm saying that if an American is 50/50 Irish/English they will 9 times out of 10 say they are an Irish-American.

Nearly all of them will label themselves Irish

Probably because they are, and their Irish ancestors were not English.

Thats not what I'm saying. If they have both, they will just say Irish. Listen

Wow, no it's not. That's definitely not the stereotype, at all.

Wow. Thats why I said 'is seen as'

At 5/21/08 06:10 PM, tawc wrote:

At 5/20/08 09:47 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

You fail to realize the difference between the UK and Britain.

How do I? You said British when you blatently ment English. I corrected you.

Except you didn't correct anything.

Because I said British and meant British.

British-Americans will amost certainly be the highest ancestory group in the United States.

Nope.

Yes, certainly

Already disproved:

German: 50,764,352

Compare that to Britain:

English: 28,290,369
+
Scottish: 6,006,955
+
Welsh: 1,959,794

Combined British-Americans: 36,257,118

Britain is Scotland, England, and Wales, it does not include Ireland.

When did I say it did?

Because I figured that, since you did it before, you incorrectly included the Irish into the equation when they are part of the UK (N. Ireland) but not Britain.

Combined British-Americans: 36,257,118

Thats from the 2006 Census, yet in the 1980's Census over 50 Million were reported English

The link you provided doesn't say that.

and therefore add the people who reported themselves Scottish, Welsh it is over 60Million.

Provide the page and cite the exact numbers because the page you linked to doesn't say that.

No you weren't. You were meaning English.

Nope.

Why would you say British?

Look at the thread title, and then look at what I was replying to you psycho:

At 5/19/08 06:30 PM, Dsmano wrote:

Well, a lot of that is a load of bollox seeing as unless you are native to the country, then the chances are your ancestors came from some part of Britain.

I replied:

At 5/19/08 10:20 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: That's not true. Only a small percent of Americans now are of British descent. In fact, Americans of German descent make up a larger portion of the population.

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Not only is this thread about Britain/British, not only did the thread starter talk about Americans with British ancestors, but I specified British, not English.

Man you're a wackjob, you pounced on something without even reading the full context of the discussion.

British like you say isn't even an ethnic type.

And I never said it was, but the topic starter was referring to ancestors from Britain, so I mentioned the fact that more Americans have ancestry from a single country, Germany, than they do from all of Britain, and I proved it.

Well it is. Explain how in 1980's over 50Million Americans claimed English Ancestory.

You have yet to prove it.

While now it is under 30 Million. If it's not what people claim.

Then It must be Mass genocide, Evacuation, Displacement, emmigration. Stop relying on your fucking statistics, close minded fool.

Quit relying on your hallucinations you complete wackjob.

1980's 50Million English-Americans

Not proven.

2006 23Million English-Americans

Proven.

Were talking about American history Not human history...'douch bag'

We're talking about ancestry, period. You just said Americans have English blood but don't know about it, and by that logic we'd be saying that we have African blood to and not know about it, and therefore by your logic we should be claiming to be African Americans.

I don't need to face it. I don't give a shit about American Ancestory, but your wrong in saying German ancestory is the largest.

Except I'm RIGHT in saying it's the largest.

Yes it is kind of odd were saying 'British'. You the one who mentioned it. I CORRECTED YOU.

LOL, you really are absolutely wacked out of your mind.

In fact, take a look at your own link. Go into table of contents > population . Then go into page 35.

Totally proves wrong what you yourself used that link for.

And to show how hilarious it is, I'll address what you said earlier now:

English-Americans in 1980 were more numerous than German-Americans this present day!

LOL

Neither by the current stats, nor by the stats that you linked to is that true.

i think your check mate that stat sheet is pretty clear.

At 5/21/08 10:01 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Because I figured that, since you did it before, you incorrectly included the Irish into the equation when they are part of the UK (N. Ireland) but not Britain.

Unfortunatly I know more about the history, genetics of the British isles than you (and by the looks of it the United States)
I said ULSTER-SCOTS, People in Ireland who dissend from the Scottish. Scots-Irish whatever.

Thats from the 2006 Census, yet in the 1980's Census over 50 Million were reported English

The link you provided doesn't say that.

Wrong link. This is the right PDF with the 1980's stats.

and therefore add the people who reported themselves Scottish, Welsh it is over 60Million.

Provide the page and cite the exact numbers because the page you linked to doesn't say that.

Link above, Report, Page 2

English: 49 598 000
Scottish: 10 049 000
Welsh: 1 665 000

British: 61 312 000

German: 49 224 000

You could add Scots-Irish who are desended from the British populations of Ireland. Not to mention the fact that half the Irish-American population are protestant and therefore a large proportion are probably Scots-Irish and so have large British Ancestory as well. You have a massive number of Americans desended from the 'Brits'

But we'll just stick with the obvious 60 Million

o noes, I was right all along.

At 5/19/08 10:20 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: "Accent" simply means dialect... someone's accent is their dialect.

Accent and Dialect are not the same thing. Accent is the spoken differentiation, the way different people pronounce words. Whereas dialect is the language differentiation, the way people from different areas use slightly changed words, or different words altogether.

At 5/23/08 02:36 PM, Bruce-Wayne wrote: Accent and Dialect are not the same thing. Accent is the spoken differentiation, the way different people pronounce words. Whereas dialect is the language differentiation, the way people from different areas use slightly changed words, or different words altogether.

Correct. Like not pronouncing your ts in lieu of the glottal stop is an example of Manchester accent, whereas using 'wee' as a synonym for 'small' is an example of a dialect difference between standard English and Scottish English.

At 5/23/08 02:04 PM, tawc wrote:

At 5/21/08 10:01 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Because I figured that, since you did it before, you incorrectly included the Irish into the equation when they are part of the UK (N. Ireland) but not Britain.

Unfortunatly I know more about the history, genetics of the British isles than you (and by the looks of it the United States)

You know less than me about probably every subject imaginable, especially the ones you choose to parade your ignorant nonsense about.

Thats from the 2006 Census, yet in the 1980's Census over 50 Million were reported English

The link you provided doesn't say that.

Wrong link. This is the right PDF with the 1980's stats.

Funny how you apparently found 2 links that contradict eachother, and you accidentally posted the one that you didn't want anyone to see.

and therefore add the people who reported themselves Scottish, Welsh it is over 60Million.

Provide the page and cite the exact numbers because the page you linked to doesn't say that.

Link above, Report, Page 2

Interesting, so you posted contradictory links and you're just assuming that the one that you want to be true is then true one?

Hell, your new link has a table that, once again, contradicts what you said.

Look at table 3:

And of course, the more recent census, representing more accurately the population as it is today... not 30 years ago.

US Census - Ancestry of Total Population:

German: 50,764,352

Compare that to Britain:

English: 28,290,369
+
Scottish: 6,006,955
+
Welsh: 1,959,794

Combined British-Americans: 36,257,118

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I actually love England.

I think we should attack Australia, everyone knows we're all thinking it.

I'm sorry, I can't take these USA Vs. UK threads seriously. They lead to nowhere except arguing and childish insults.

We all know the Dutch are the greatest purly because they can marry their gay lovers, do drugs and speak 4 languages.

At 5/23/08 05:18 PM, Brick-top wrote: We all know the Dutch are the greatest purly because they can marry their gay lovers, do drugs and speak 4 languages.

I'm in! :D

At 5/23/08 05:03 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

You know less than me about probably every subject imaginable, especially the ones you choose to parade your ignorant nonsense about.

Thats a mighty thing to say, when you just then misunderstood the ethnic types SCOTS-irish and ulster-SCOTS, not understanding how they could be classed as British.

(I did only say what way you look at it) And since were talking about Ancestory then yes people who have ulster-scots background most likely will also have scottish background and therefore british background.

Funny how you apparently found 2 links that contradict eachother, and you accidentally posted the one that you didn't want anyone to see.

I don't give a shit if they contradict each other. It proves your wrong about your assumption based on statistics that are blatently inaccurate by at least 30million (LOL) were you swear blindly that they are right.

Interesting, so you posted contradictory links and you're just assuming that the one that you want to be true is then true one?

no, I am showing you that YOU CANNOT PUT ALL YOUR FAITH IN STATISTICS, even ones provided by the goverment.

At 5/23/08 05:07 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: And of course, the more recent census, representing more accurately the population as it is today... not 30 years ago.

hahaha, you still don't get it. It's not accurate. And It wasn't accurate.

How can one be more accurate than the other? Were people more prone to lying back then? lol

Either that or somehow 30million British-Americans have gone missing since the 1980's.

At 5/19/08 10:20 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Americans actually generally like Brits... until they meet the vocal ones. Then the political monster rears its head and the British reveal themselves to be hateful, ignorant, hypocritical assholes whose entire belief system is practically based around blaming/berating Americans for every single thing, using double-standards and overt hypocrisy in the process.

You really are an idiot who has a very inflated view of the importance of his country. Believe it or not, British people don't generally spend every waking moment thinking about how evil America is, we tend to have better things to do. Most seem not to really care. I'm certainly indifferent.

At 5/20/08 08:40 AM, ThePretenders wrote: I hate the British with venom. Why?
The reasons:
1) Hypocrisy over integration. They expect the immigrants to assimiliate and learn the language but they go to Spain and live in concentrated areas of the Costa del Sol, eating fish and chips, watching football, and talking 'propa English'.

I agree with that, but the the British immigrants tend not to go demanding government funded translators in Spain as they know they won't get it. While over here, the authorities seem to fall over themselves trying to translate for everyone. Also, British immigrants tend not to get handouts from the Spanish state, while some (Though admittedly nowhere near all) immigrants to Britain get benefits.

2) Not open to other cultures and languages. They are the laziest people on Earth, when it comes to languages. They go to other countries and expect 'foreigners' (locals) to speak their language, when in fact they should attempt to communicate with them.

I think when you're living in someone else's country it's you who should be learning how to communicate with the locals, not the other way round. I don't see why ordinary people should have to change their ways for the sake of newcomers.

3) Most of them stink of alcohol. Every Friday, you have to encouter these foul smelling creatures outside the pub, throwing up and starting fights in city centres.

We're not all like that you know. My family aren't big drinkers and I know that my parents would kill me if I got drunk.

4) Hypocrisy over fiscal policy. The British want American levels of taxes to finance European levels of public spending with wait... low borrowing. "OMG GORDEN BROWNZ IS RAISIN TAXIS!!!! OMG SUM1 FINANCE THE NHS!!!!"

I will agree with that. People want services but they don't want to pay for them. I'd sooner see a rise in income tax, that would be a much fairer way of doing things than the current cack handed stealth taxes.

5) The Empire. The British went over to other lands and dominated them on an sclae unmatched by other countries (even worse than the Spanish). They settled in other lands, making up a significant part of South Africa's population (even excluding the Afrikaners). Not to mention displacing populations in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Yet they complain when about ethnic minorities, which make up 7% of the population, and if you actually venture outside the major cities, it's uncommon to find non-whites in small cities and towns.

The empire was a while ago, I don't see why it should play any role in our actions today. Even my parents weren't alive in the days of empire. If it suits us to do things like limit immigration, we should go ahead and do it regardless of any imperial past.

At 5/23/08 02:04 PM, tawc wrote:

Unfortunatly I know more about the history, genetics of the British isles than you (and by the looks of it the United States)

Says the person who thought the Black and Tans were from Scotland

Well Dsamo, US is behind with only 20% of the vote (compared to 23% of the UK votes) so its not that bad. I voted Pakistan twice.

At 5/24/08 10:03 AM, simple-but-sandy wrote:

At 5/23/08 02:04 PM, tawc wrote:

Unfortunatly I know more about the history, genetics of the British isles than you (and by the looks of it the United States)

Says the person who thought the Black and Tans were from Scotland

I said, the Black and Tans were mostly from The large industrial cities of England, Scotland an Wales, and I would be correct.

It was you who said they were Australian...lol

At 5/23/08 08:48 PM, tawc wrote:

At 5/23/08 05:03 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

You know less than me about probably every subject imaginable, especially the ones you choose to parade your ignorant nonsense about.

Thats a mighty thing to say, when you just then misunderstood the ethnic types SCOTS-irish and ulster-SCOTS, not understanding how they could be classed as British.

You really make up so much shit off the top of your head.

Did I, or did I not include them into the equation?

Kind of funny how you berated me, because you assumed I meant "english" when in a discussion about British, and the majority of your argument consisted of identifying only ENGLISH ancestry.

(I did only say what way you look at it) And since were talking about Ancestory then yes people who have ulster-scots background most likely will also have scottish background and therefore british background.

And combined together they make up less than the current German ancestry in the US.

I don't give a shit if they contradict each other.

Exactly, next.

Interesting, so you posted contradictory links and you're just assuming that the one that you want to be true is then true one?

no, I am showing you that YOU CANNOT PUT ALL YOUR FAITH IN STATISTICS, even ones provided by the goverment.

Then what are you putting your faith in? You're claiming ancestry in the US is more British than German, yet you can't prove it. If you were to claim that your single link (that was contradicted by links you used) about ancestry from 30 years ago was your proof, then that would negate your entire argument about relying on statistics.

So, where are you getting your information from? Because you must have access to a wealth of information the whole world is oblivious to considering you always, ALWAYS say shit that gets shown to be completely, literally incorrect all the time when confronted with credible information. Apparently all statistics in the world are wrong, and everything that you pull out of your ass is true.

It's funny, I scrolled down the entire first page and I didn't see any ahref tag linking to any such poll Dsmano mentioned. But hey, it's the internet, let's take him at his word...

Wait, no, that's retarded. Source me the fucking poll.

i personally think that brits are great because its from england (the brit home world!!!) that the concept of america was born. and one of my alltime favorite flash artists ever (edd of eddsworld) is from britan and is also a brit.

What exactly is the importance of whether the majority of Americans are of German or British descent? Other than knowing who is right and who is wrong?

At 5/25/08 04:15 PM, tawc wrote:

At 5/24/08 10:03 AM, simple-but-sandy wrote:

At 5/23/08 02:04 PM, tawc wrote:

Unfortunatly I know more about the history, genetics of the British isles than you (and by the looks of it the United States)

Says the person who thought the Black and Tans were from Scotland

I said, the Black and Tans were mostly from The large industrial cities of England, Scotland an Wales, and I would be correct.

It was you who said they were Australian...lol

Lets see, my granddad was growing up in Northern Ireland at the same time as the Black and Tans were based over there. His dad was often stopped at checkpoints by tehm and searched and he said the Black and Tans were mostly Australian and New Zealand troops sent over after WWI. Who's more likely to be telling the truth, someone who gets their facts from family members who lived in Belfast at the time of partition or someone whose most like never been to Northern Ireland in their life?

Your call

At 5/26/08 06:36 AM, simple-but-sandy wrote: Lets see, my granddad was growing up in Northern Ireland at the same time as the Black and Tans

My dad / grandad was too. And they say it was all Scots and English, fresh from the war and with no respect for human life.

Wait, what are we arguing about now?

I think from what i've been reading so far that the average American has a skewed view of the United Kingdom - not that I have anything against Americans at all, thats just the way they've learned to think thoughout their life.
I think this thread has run its course. All that's happening here is people picking each-others words apart.

Great Britain loves The United States of America very much.
We'll be there with our fleet of nuclear submarines when Iran destroys D.C

At 5/26/08 03:07 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 5/26/08 06:36 AM, simple-but-sandy wrote: Lets see, my granddad was growing up in Northern Ireland at the same time as the Black and Tans

My dad / grandad was too. And they say it was all Scots and English, fresh from the war and with no respect for human life.

There were Scots and English in the Black and Tans I'm not disputing that, however that wasn't my point. My point was the majority (at least 2/3) of them were Australian and New Zealanders

At 5/25/08 07:21 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

So, where are you getting your information from? Because you must have access to a wealth of information the whole world is oblivious to considering you always, ALWAYS say shit that gets shown to be completely, literally incorrect all the time when confronted with credible information. Apparently all statistics in the world are wrong, and everything that you pull out of your ass is true.

Wait wait wait. You were the one who started of saying Germans are the largest ancestory in the US, and you still maintain that, even though I have proved that your Stats are complete shit. As the 1980's Census shows 30million more British Americans than the 2005 Census.

Aswer me one question....What happened to the 30+ Million British-Americans????

so a poll from one site made you decide everyone hates the UK?

At 5/20/08 08:53 AM, fallingashes wrote: I must say that alot of what you say is true. however, one has to ask whether you visited the north r the south. Basically, our North England is much like your Deep South [or atleast the stereotypical image of it].

I am from the deep south ( GA ) But from what i can tell from the stereotypes they are right for about a quarter of the white people but i think another quarter is like it 2 but they wont admit it