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Chronamut

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Posted at: 5/15/08 08:58 PM

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At 5/15/08 08:46 PM, Gloudas wrote:
A cleverly constructed insult; you really struck him where's he weak, exposing him for the fetus he truly is! God bless us for having you here shower us with realizations like that!

nah tbh I dont really care - but the fetus and infant jokes never get old :P

Also, shut the hell up and don't be so cocky. I get that you're pissy cause you didn't make the list, but the list doesn't actually represent your talent, so don't act so insulted.

im not being cocky I'm just having some fun haha :p

I'm such an audio FAG! Actually, I'm THE audio fag!
ALSO! come support us at the newgrounds irc chat rooms! - just type #newgrounds_audio or #vg_newgrounds for chatroom!

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CrescentDolls

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Well my friend, I appreciate your point of view, but we're not making this for u or any other artist not mentioned on the list, we are making this for the fans and NG users in general.

We can make another with a free entry for everyone to prove what u r saying, that being popular is not been better, but hey, think about it: everyone and I mean EVERYONE fights his/her way to the top, from been nothing to be popular, just think about it...all of the ppl mentioned on the list became popular because they fought for it.

And please stop blaming this contest, u will get your chance ; )

Thanks, my best wishes
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CrescentDolls

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My last post was in response of WritersBlock post.


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Posted at: 5/15/08 09:11 PM

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At 5/15/08 08:00 PM, DaGrahamCraka wrote: well nav was being kind of a prick for no reason except to satisfy his overblown hubris.

To tell you the truth, I don't even want to agree with DragonsGrief. I don't really care about my own musical talent: I know that the time will come when it comes, I'm not angry about that at all.

What I AM angry about, however, is pretty much exactly what WritersBlock described. F-777 and kr1z started a "5-voters club," with the intent to get every song they submitted onto the top 5. They do it to get popular, and when a thread like this appears, praising them and trying to get more popularity, they reap the rewards, while their music isn't really any better than many other Newgrounds artists who don't get nearly as much attention.

I have an idea to turn this into a positive competition: we could invite all of the people nominated by the Underdoglist to participate! They needed to be active to qualify, and they certainly need the extra attention! This would do wonders for them, the people that NEED it! :D

If you review this song....
YOU WIN!!!! (a cookie)

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At 5/15/08 08:42 PM, Envy wrote: So... Is this thing happening or what... Just wondering because there seems to be more bitching going on then serious discussion on whats going down.

That's the main reason I try to stay away from these threads like the plague; maybe you guys should try it? :D


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Gloudas

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At 5/15/08 08:58 PM, Chronamut wrote: im not being cocky I'm just having some fun haha :p

haha fair enough

New ambient/trance song: Air and Rain
Listen and vote!


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Posted at: 5/15/08 10:18 PM

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I don't recall confirming joining, I can however confirm I won't be joining. There is simply WAY too much to do on my end to sit down and do this. I'm already sacrificing 2-3 hours a night for various other projects and responsibilities.

Thanks for the nomination whoever that was, but i'm afraid i'll continue releasing stuff whenever I can :).

Rushing stuff would make it crap anyways.

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At 5/15/08 08:55 PM, WritersBlock wrote: I don't like this contest. Not because I'm not on it, but I agree with Nav. When you mentioned on the other thread (why the hell did you make a new one?) that you were doing it to see which ones will get on the weekly top 5... Yeah, let's take advantage of the system so that we can get overrated artists more popular! When I see MaestroRage on the weekly top 5, it's because he wrote a story into his music, and he's earned a respected fan-base because of it. To me, he deserves that. But when I see F-777 and Kr1z and Nintechno writing music to get 5s and get weekly awards, using their popularity to get those votes, to me, they're the sellouts of newgrounds and what respect I once had for them is gone.
You're using this competition to take by persuasion what the average person needs to work hard to obtain.

I will take no part in listening to or voting for this competition, and I hope that some of my favourite talented artists on that list don't participate, and continue making music for themselves, not for awards and popularity.

Ummm dude...CONTESTS ARE FOR FUN!!! I have NO idea where your heads at...im not doing this for a top 5 and i don't think anybody on the list is. Also what do you mean USING popularity for 5's? What do you think we do?! Hold people at GUNPOINT or something?!

I am entering this contest because i want to push myself past the limits i have gone to before and to try to make a song with my best effort. I love making music cause its my life.


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CrescentDolls

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At 5/15/08 10:39 PM, F-777 wrote: I am entering this contest because i want to push myself past the limits i have gone to before and to try to make a song with my best effort. I love making music cause its my life.

BRAVO F-777! Thats exactly the purpose of this contest!

PPL don't be so lazy! READ!!!


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At 5/15/08 10:39 PM, F-777 wrote: im not doing this for a top 5 and i don't think anybody on the list is.

I AM!!!

just kidding

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I can't decide which I want to see more!
How the tunes turn out, or how much more bitching there can be. Man I thought I was an old grouch haha.

People take shit WAY too seriously.

Good luck.


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you're all completely 100% wrong. Music is not a craft. Music isn't something you do in a competition without leaving guilty afterwards. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Music is a love affair. People who sellout, a gray area in it of itself, are musical prostitutes. Contests like this are the equivalent of pornography film awards. I'm not even kidding.

DON'T MAKE GODDAMN CONTESTS JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE HEARTLESS. Do not treat music like a hobby, and above all: stop arguing like children over something which is wrong and unjustified in the first place.

Nav:
Music's about moving people emotionally. ANYONE CAN JUDGE. If the average joe thinks you suck, YOU SUCK. His opinion is valid. That's why you try to be original and creative, while not sacrificing effective musicianship nor a musical tradition which actually pleases people's ears. I-IV-V? It's a goddamn love affair. More than one girl on the whole damn planet wears eyeliner. Your song can reuse a chord progression if it gets your point across, is good, and MOVES PEOPLE. God damn it!

"STEEL FRAMES" - a new style which I call sky breaks
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CrescentDolls

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At 5/15/08 11:01 PM, Bad-Man-Incorporated wrote: I can't decide which I want to see more!
How the tunes turn out, or how much more bitching there can be. Man I thought I was an old grouch haha.
People take shit WAY too seriously.

Ur dam right! Like this idiot that just posted : )


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endlessnumber

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Posted at: 5/15/08 11:09 PM

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If you don't take music seriously, then you're the idiot.

"STEEL FRAMES" - a new style which I call sky breaks
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CrescentDolls

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At 5/15/08 11:09 PM, endlessnumber wrote: If you don't take music seriously, then you're the idiot.

-.-' if you took music seriously, your music wouldn't be so SHITTY...


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endlessnumber

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You don't do anything creative with your music. You just copy other artists' sounds.

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CrescentDolls

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At 5/15/08 11:14 PM, endlessnumber wrote: You don't do anything creative with your music. You just copy other artists' sounds.

Yahh sure, okay but if u r gonna make something "creative" make it sound good, not like complete crap.


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endlessnumber

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Jesus Christ! I feel like I'm on LiveJournal.

If you could provide more specific criticism than "crap" that'd be awesome. I'm always looking to improve if you have something to offer.

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At 5/15/08 11:19 PM, endlessnumber wrote: Jesus Christ! I feel like I'm on LiveJournal.

If you could provide more specific criticism than "crap" that'd be awesome. I'm always looking to improve if you have something to offer.

Yahh! Sure I can, specially after u 0bombed my music 8E


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Hmmm...i really don't like the fighting going on in this thread =P. My response to Writersblock was bad enough...


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F-777

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At 5/15/08 09:11 PM, Nav wrote:
At 5/15/08 08:00 PM, DaGrahamCraka wrote: well nav was being kind of a prick for no reason except to satisfy his overblown hubris.
To tell you the truth, I don't even want to agree with DragonsGrief. I don't really care about my own musical talent: I know that the time will come when it comes, I'm not angry about that at all.

What I AM angry about, however, is pretty much exactly what WritersBlock described. F-777 and kr1z started a "5-voters club," with the intent to get every song they submitted onto the top 5. They do it to get popular, and when a thread like this appears, praising them and trying to get more popularity, they reap the rewards, while their music isn't really any better than many other Newgrounds artists who don't get nearly as much attention.

I have an idea to turn this into a positive competition: we could invite all of the people nominated by the Underdoglist to participate! They needed to be active to qualify, and they certainly need the extra attention! This would do wonders for them, the people that NEED it! :D

1. Ummmm no our intention for the 5-team is to help others...that wasn't really fair of you to say that..
2. I don't give a damn about getting popular i don't see why this is so important to you...
3. I didn't MAKE myself popular if thats what your talking about...
4. I heard about your pm'ing people to tell them that im a 0-bomber...that was pretty unfair too.
5. This isn't your contest if you hate it so much make your own.


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Revision: This isn't a contest, this is a stupid myspace whore picking the artists she likes so she can get in on the 5'ing ufun.

"STEEL FRAMES" - a new style which I call sky breaks
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At 5/15/08 11:34 PM, endlessnumber wrote: Revision: This isn't a contest, this is a stupid myspace whore picking the artists she likes so she can get in on the 5'ing ufun.

That was...heartless...


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...I have seen enough fighting. I originaly posted to try and tell people that this competition was for fun, and that there were no prizes to be won (first thread). After that, everyone decided that it would be cool to have a massive insult-fest.

It was originally supposed to be a little bit of fun for some of the artists on Newgrounds, NOT the best, NOT the most popular, but the people that somebody voted for. Now, I can see why this is unfair: Nobody knows who, or when this voting was done...if at all. Therefore, people have become jealous of their absence on the list (among other valid points). I believe that if it were to be done properly, it would have had to have been done on a forum where everyone had the chance to vote.

Also, regardless of votes, NOBODY has the right to say ANYONE is better, or worse than anyone else. Music is a thing of opinion, and it should not be up to anyone to say who is best, that is why there are so many genres and styles.
It was a BIG mistake to make a list of the supossedly "best/most popular artists" on NG. And as everyone can see, has sparked up ALOT of debate. This is probably the main reson why this contest should be stopped.

I have read through every post, and thought about them all. And I have decided to not be a part of this anymore, and I Officially give my position (if this contest goes through) to someone who wants it. I do not mind who it is.
This is because, I do not want to be labelled as someone who "makes music to get on top 5". I found these comments, and others about the 5 team, very hurtfull. Considering the team was created to help other users who have put effort into their songs. It was never about myself, F-777, or Kr1z, It was about all those "underdogs" and others, who try hard every time, to put out good music.

At the end of the day, there are pretty much two groups of ideas:
1 - The people who support the contest: Who think it should go ahead. Be it because of popularity, the challenge, the honour etc. These people are defending the competition.
2 - The people who don't: These range from people who are not on the (already stated as unfair) list, to people who think that those on the list are overrated.

While both parties have several valid points to make (having a competition for fun, unfair list, etc), it has become quite apparent that this competition is going to be in for a rough ride. That is why I have left it, I don't want people to dislike me because I support it. I think its a cool idea, have some fun, sure! But it IS unfair on EVERYONE not on the list.

I personally think that we could do better than this. I'm not saying anyone is acting stupid, and everyone is entitled to their opinions. But if you are old enough to use a computer, you SHOULD have the maturity to sort out your problems without fighting. It is quite sad that people who are older than I am, fighting with those who are younger.

I would like to propose, that we stop this competition altogether, BUT, start another that is open to EVERYONE. This way, it will be like a MAC, but will have no prizes. It will simply be a way for artists to showcase their work, and enjoy the work of others. The can be a theme, that EVERYONE agrees on, and we can incorperate this idea:
Ability Level Categorys:
Advanced
- The confident, more skilled (because of experience) artists. These are the people who think they are really good, and would like to really challenge their ability.
Intermedieate - Anyone who would like to partisipate, but does not want to get caught in the shadows of the Advanced artists. This would include underdogs, as they are not generaly "bad" at mucic, just unnoticed.
Basic - People who are new to making music, and dont have much eperience. These will be judged more softly than others, and mabye we can find some hidden talent!

...This way, you can CHOOSE where you fit, and who you think you satnd with. It DOES NOT labell you as BETTER or WORSE than ANYONE, because YOU CHOOSE FOR YOURSELF where you would fit. This way, everyone would be noticed, and judged fairly.

I think this would be a better idea, and probably agree with more people. However, if you would rather keep fighting...be my guest. But I will not be a part of it.

Nintechno.


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Very well put. Im pulling out of this contest too. Your right instead of being a fun contest its become a "Who is the best!?!" forum and thats not very good at all...

Im pulling out of this contest because of the foundations its set on.

If this was a contest that ANYBODY could join then i would feel better but ya this is nuts i don't want this fighting going on it just causes hate and fighting etc.

IM SORRY CRESENTDOLLS IM OUT!!! =P.

I apologise to everyone i have offended.


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The idea is a good one, but this just seems like a popularity contest over actual production skill. Again, I'm not throwing down the idea, it's just horribly structured and bland.

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I can't believe somone who likes daft punk enough to rip the band from interstella 5555 into his name,would turn out to be such a big jerk. It seems to me like he wants everyone to start ripping at each other. Music isn't a fricken competition. Sure its a buisness and its competive but it isn't supposed to be pissing match. Seriously anyone that stay's in the competition is a big dooche. We already have front page shit. top five. listener and download counters wtf would these guys need with a pissing match they are already doing fine. That and you likely missed some of the bigger class acts. We have no idea how you got your numbers we have no idea who you asked. It soundz like a load of garbage and I respect F777 for getting out of the competition.


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At 5/15/08 08:51 PM, CrescentDolls wrote: YEAH! Of course its gonna happen! So far here's the list of the confirmed artists:

Wait why do you lie? How am I confirmed? I woke up this morning only to see I was in this contest I don't agree with at all :P
And no, I'm not going to join this thing.


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I just wanna say.. I'm not jealous i'm not on the list or anything but.

Why are we doing a competition where the popular artists make a song, submit it to the portal to get voted on and see which one is the most popular? Does that happen anyway?


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At 5/16/08 01:37 AM, Syntrus wrote: It soundz like a load of garbage and I respect F777 for getting out of the competition.

I pulled out first dude. I gave him the idea XD


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