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- Dual 3.16 Ghz, or Quad 2.66? I mean the totals are different, but does that mean anything?

- Dual Graphics card, or single powerful one? I'm bouncing between a single 1 GB Raedon or dual nVidia 9600 GT ("SUPERCLOCKED"), which leads up to the same amount of VRAM, or a dual 8800 GT 'SLI enabled'. And can someone tell me the advantages/disadvantages?

- 4 GB, or 2 GB "Low Latency" RAM?

- What is a RAID harddrive?

- Please and thx lol

yes this is a prebuilt Iol, I have my reasons - I'd build one, but again, I have my reasons. So please, don't bother.

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There's 1 gig graphics already?
My 128 meg plays Oblivion what does one do with a gig?

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quad 2.6 overclocked to 3
dual gfx card
4gb ram
AND GOOGLE THAT LAST ONE!#@#


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At 5/15/08 04:19 AM, Reaperssythe wrote: quad 2.6 overclocked to 3
dual gfx card
4gb ram
AND GOOGLE THAT LAST ONE!#@#

Jesse-Ray, yes. I don't get it either, but its neat nonetheless.

Also, 9600 or 8800 SLI?

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At 5/15/08 04:24 AM, Peacekid wrote: Also, 9600 or 8800 SLI?

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At 5/15/08 04:25 AM, Reaperssythe wrote:
At 5/15/08 04:24 AM, Peacekid wrote: Also, 9600 or 8800 SLI?
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cool, thanks.

Also, warranty question - can I just go with the 2 year and I'll be fine?

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At 5/15/08 04:26 AM, Peacekid wrote:
At 5/15/08 04:25 AM, Reaperssythe wrote:
At 5/15/08 04:24 AM, Peacekid wrote: Also, 9600 or 8800 SLI?
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cool, thanks.

Also, warranty question - can I just go with the 2 year and I'll be fine?

yeah, 2 years is ages. by then you'll probably want to upgrade again


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At 5/15/08 04:28 AM, Reaperssythe wrote:
At 5/15/08 04:26 AM, Peacekid wrote: Also, warranty question - can I just go with the 2 year and I'll be fine?
yeah, 2 years is ages. by then you'll probably want to upgrade again

Ha given the current trend of RAM + graphics memory increase, 2 years should yield four gig of graphics memory.

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For a graphics card go for the 9800GT if you can, it's a dual-core GPU, much like a dual core CPU.

Quad-core 2.6, can be easily overclocked to 3. It's quite a step up from the dual core.

4GB, you'll need it pretty soon since you're obviously buying a gaming desktop.

RAID storage system, depending on the setting can save 2 versions of the same file on 2 different disks providing a back-up in case one of your drives crashes.

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At 5/15/08 04:46 AM, Rosenrot-I wrote: For a graphics card go for the 9800GT if you can, it's a dual-core GPU, much like a dual core CPU.

SLI is nothing then? Thanks btw.

Quad-core 2.6, can be easily overclocked to 3. It's quite a step up from the dual core.

Thought so.

4GB, you'll need it pretty soon since you're obviously buying a gaming desktop.

Well I really can't think of ANY game I want soon (I assume Spore and Starcraft II aren't that powerhungry)

RAID storage system, depending on the setting can save 2 versions of the same file on 2 different disks providing a back-up in case one of your drives crashes.

Alright, even though I'm not very file whory.

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At 5/15/08 04:53 AM, Peacekid wrote: SLI is nothing then? Thanks btw.

It's really not a very good improvement over a single card. Dual core GPU is a different story however.

4GB, you'll need it pretty soon since you're obviously buying a gaming desktop.
Well I really can't think of ANY game I want soon (I assume Spore and Starcraft II aren't that powerhungry)

No, but it pays to have it. And I bet withing a year there will be games that even though don't require it, will run a lot better with 4Gbs instead of 2.

Alright, even though I'm not very file whory.

Hm, it's not that necessary really. As long you keep your important stuff backed up you're all good.

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One more question, what is 'low latency' anyway?

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At 5/15/08 05:04 AM, Peacekid wrote: One more question, what is 'low latency' anyway?

It's pretty self explanatory.... Basically means it's faster.

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At 5/15/08 04:16 AM, Peacekid wrote: - Dual 3.16 Ghz, or Quad 2.66? I mean the totals are different, but does that mean anything?

This depends on what you're going to do.

If you're doing heavy multitasking or other tasks such as 3D rendering or video encoding, you will benefit more from the four cores.

If you're doing casual computer use and computer gaming, you will benefit from the two cores with the faster clock speed.

- Dual Graphics card, or single powerful one? I'm bouncing between a single 1 GB Raedon or dual nVidia 9600 GT ("SUPERCLOCKED"), which leads up to the same amount of VRAM, or a dual 8800 GT 'SLI enabled'. And can someone tell me the advantages/disadvantages?

There isn't really any single video card right now that is better than two pre-gen cards in SLI/Crossfire. I'd go with the 8800 GT SLI. It actually performs better than some 9600 cards in some cases.

- 4 GB, or 2 GB "Low Latency" RAM?

Not sure what latency you get with "low latency" but I'd still personally go with the 4 GB.

- What is a RAID harddrive?

Firstly, RAID stands for "Redundant Array of Independent Disks". Think of it as SLI but for hard drives. In other words, it's using multiple hard drives (ideally of indentical brands and capacities) to increase performance and/or reliability.

There are numerous ways that you can have RAID configured, but the most typical ones are RAID 0 and RAID 1.

RAID 0:
When you write a file, it gets split apart and written on all the hard drives at the same time. This effectively doubles (or triples, or quadruples, depending on how many drives are in the array) the write speed. It also works for reading files. When you read a file, it will read all the pieces of the file from each hard drive at the same time, reaping the same performance benefit.

Pros:
-Dramatically increased performance in both reading and writing.

-Since files are being "spread apart" on all the hard drives, your total capacity will be the sum of all the hard drives put together (For example, if you have 3 100gb hard drives in RAID 0, your total capacity will be 300gb)

Cons:
-If you lose the data on one hard drive (due to hard drive failure or anything else), then ALL the data on every hard drive is lost. Because each hard drive contains fragments of each individual file, if one were to be lost, the data pieces on the rest of the hard drives become useless garbage. If you use RAID 0, make doubly sure that you have a reliable data backup.

RAID 1

This is the same as RAID 0 except for one thing: Instead of writing pieces of the file across multiple hard drives, the file in entirety is written to every hard drive. Because the entire file is being written to each hard drive, the writing performance won't be any different than that of a single drive. However, the reading performance increase will be there.

Pros:
-More reliable storage of data. If one of the hard drives were to fail, you still have the full data on the other drive(s), meaning no data is lost.

-Dramatically increased performance in reading files

Cons:
-Because every hard drive is a "mirror" of the other hard drives, your total capacity will only be equal to the lowest capacity drive in the array (but usually they all have the same capacity). In other words, if you have 3 100gb hard drives in RAID 1, your capacity will still be 100gb

-No performance increase in writing files

- Please and thx lol

yes this is a prebuilt Iol, I have my reasons - I'd build one, but again, I have my reasons. So please, don't bother.

And those people who are telling you to overclock the quad core processor yourself are not quite giving good advice. Because it is a pre-built computer, you have no guarantee that this will even be feasible. It completely depends on the manufacturer and your motherboard/case. Many pre-built computers are made without any consideration of if you'll be putting extra cooling equipment inside it (there might not be room). Also, the fact that you're buying a pre-built computer insinuates that you might not be comfortable doing this in the first place. Buying a pre-built computer and then overclocking it doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion.

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At 5/15/08 05:15 AM, RageVI wrote: And those people who are telling you to overclock the quad core processor yourself are not quite giving good advice. Because it is a pre-built computer, you have no guarantee that this will even be feasible. It completely depends on the manufacturer and your motherboard/case.

Not rly. Any motherboard built for a dual/quad core processor can withstand mild overclocking. If you're doing something insignificant like going from 2.6 to 3Ghz, then you won't even need extra cooling equipment. E.g. I have a dual core with a native clock speed of 2.3 and I've overclocked it to 3 with no problems and no temperature dramas. With the stock fan.

It shouldn't matter whether it's a prebuilt or not. In the end it's still the same hardware, you're just paying for someone else to put it together.

Definately don't overclock yourself, you can always get one of your friends who knows what they're doing, just make sure that they do actually know what they're doing. Or there's user-friendly software that does it for you.

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At 5/15/08 05:25 AM, Rosenrot-I wrote:
Not rly. Any motherboard built for a dual/quad core processor can withstand mild overclocking. If you're doing something insignificant like going from 2.6 to 3Ghz, then you won't even need extra cooling equipment. E.g. I have a dual core with a native clock speed of 2.3 and I've overclocked it to 3 with no problems and no temperature dramas. With the stock fan.

Bad generalization. Just because a motherboard has the appropriate socket for its processor doesn't mean:

-It will adjust the VCore or other voltage settings reliably
-It will let you even overclock in the first place
-If it lets you overclock, it might not let you adjust memory timings
-In the case of an unrecoverable failure (And you'll probably have one), if the CMOS settings will be backed up so you don't have to do a hard reset.

It shouldn't matter whether it's a prebuilt or not. In the end it's still the same hardware, you're just paying for someone else to put it together.

In the last pre-built computer I'll ever get:

-I had to destructively tear out a couple pieces to install a new video card
-I had to cut in to the case with a rotary tool to install my sound card
-I had to remove 50% of the casing to install a new optical drive
-I cannot replace the PSU, CPU, or cooling without significant difficulty.

I'll say it again. It depends on the company. Because the original poster hasn't really specified the company that's building it or the case it'll use, we can't just make generalizations. Overclocking is nice, but you shouldn't allow people to make their decision under the pretense that they'll be able to do it without difficulty if there's a possibility that they will.

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At 5/15/08 05:38 AM, RageVI wrote: Bad generalization. Just because a motherboard has the appropriate socket for its processor doesn't mean:

-It will adjust the VCore or other voltage settings reliably

Yea, have to do that one manually through setup on startup. That needs some knowledge of things.

-It will let you even overclock in the first place

I really don't see why it wouldn't. All you're doing is increasing the clock speed of the CPU. I'm open to suggestions though, might learn something new.

-If it lets you overclock, it might not let you adjust memory timings

?

-In the case of an unrecoverable failure (And you'll probably have one), if the CMOS settings will be backed up so you don't have to do a hard reset.

You won't have a failure unless you try to really push it, and I mean REALLY push it. Intel processors are good in a way that if they sense something's not right, if they start overheating or aren't getting enough power they will just turn off on start up. I don't see it frying the whole thing.

In the last pre-built computer I'll ever get:

-I had to destructively tear out a couple pieces to install a new video card
-I had to cut in to the case with a rotary tool to install my sound card
-I had to remove 50% of the casing to install a new optical drive
-I cannot replace the PSU, CPU, or cooling without significant difficulty.

Wow, bad luck huh? I've never had that happen, although I've only had 1 prebuilt computer, out of all the ones I've seen that people I know have are just basic, where you can easily access the internals.

Overclocking is nice, but you shouldn't allow people to make their decision under the pretense that they'll be able to do it without difficulty if there's a possibility that they will.

Yea, that's what I meant, don't do it if you're not a 100% sure. It would be better to ask someone who really knows their stuff.

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RageVI, I'm getting an Alienware (if theres another one you or anyone else can recommend, I'd be happy to take up on that), with these specs:

Processor:

Intel Core%u2122 2 Duo E8500 3.16GHz 6MB Cache 1333MHz FSB
OR
Intel Core%u2122 2 Quad Q9450 2.66GHz 12MB Cache 1333MHz FSB

The most I'm gonna be doing is running a game + browser at most, then some photoshop later on.

Graphics:

Dual 512MB NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT - SLI Enabled
OR
Dual 512MB NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT - Superclocked

Again, not sure. If I get the dual 8800s with SLI, do I insure myself for anything?

RAM:

4GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 2 x 2048MB

Motherboard:

Alienware Approved NVIDIA nForce790i Ultra SLI%u2122 Motherboard
Includes PCI-Express 2.0, DDR3 Memory, and Support for Intel 1600 FSB

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At 5/15/08 09:07 PM, Peacekid wrote: I'm getting an Alienware

Don't. They 're about as overpriced as Macs. Although they are of a very high quality, you're paying for the brand name more than for anything else. I'm not sure of what other prebuilt options there are but I'm sure there is a much more economic one.

If you do get an Alienware, you can probably get them to overclock the CPU and GPU for you, they're good at doing that safely.

You could probably buy the Alienware case and all the hardware that you want from some random shop and get that shop to put it together for you and voila, an Alienware PC at like half the cost.

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At 5/15/08 09:07 PM, Peacekid wrote: RageVI, I'm getting an Alienware (if theres another one you or anyone else can recommend, I'd be happy to take up on that), with these specs:

First, what's the price on that configuration?

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At 5/15/08 11:33 PM, RageVI wrote:
At 5/15/08 09:07 PM, Peacekid wrote: RageVI, I'm getting an Alienware (if theres another one you or anyone else can recommend, I'd be happy to take up on that), with these specs:
First, what's the price on that configuration?

3.5k. Yeah, I know - I'd make one myself, but there are several reasons to why I can't. I'd be happy if ANYONE could find a similar quality, and cheaper config.

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At 5/15/08 09:07 PM, Peacekid wrote: RageVI, I'm getting an Alienware (if theres another one you or anyone else can recommend, I'd be happy to take up on that), with these specs:

No offense, but I think that pre-built PC's are a waste of money.

Unless you're getting a laptop.

But have fun spending more than $2,000 on a computer

:)

lucky duck, I had to spend 2 months searching the corners of the web for the best PC parts, then I spent $1,000 on a kickass PC that I built for myself. I didn't have the money or permission to just buy any kickass computer in this world.

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At 5/16/08 01:53 AM, Peacekid wrote: 3.5k. Yeah, I know - I'd make one myself, but there are several reasons to why I can't. I'd be happy if ANYONE could find a similar quality, and cheaper config.

Easy. $500 less with a better video card.

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At 5/16/08 02:11 AM, Grubby wrote:
lucky duck, I had to spend 2 months searching the corners of the web for the best PC parts, then I spent $1,000 on a kickass PC that I built for myself. I didn't have the money or permission to just buy any kickass computer in this world.

More along the lines of I have to pay it off to Alienware cause I'm cheap and Jewish lol.

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At 5/16/08 02:25 AM, Peacekid wrote:
More along the lines of I have to pay it off to Alienware cause I'm cheap and Jewish lol.

Lucky duck.

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At 5/16/08 02:25 AM, Rosenrot-I wrote:
At 5/16/08 01:53 AM, Peacekid wrote: 3.5k. Yeah, I know - I'd make one myself, but there are several reasons to why I can't. I'd be happy if ANYONE could find a similar quality, and cheaper config.
Easy. $500 less with a better video card.

Ugh, just no to Dell. I mean Alienware is owned by them, but they could at least not shit up on their main company.

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