Techno

[NDawg07]

It seems that techno (which does include trance, electronica, etc) is nearly the only genre anyone's uploading. Sure, they file it under different genres but in the end, it's almost all the same.

Is there just some software that is making it really easy to create techno that everyone but me has?

[ObviousTroll]

At 5/14/08 12:17 PM, NDawg07 wrote: It seems that techno (which does include trance, electronica, etc) is nearly the only genre anyone's uploading. Sure, they file it under different genres but in the end, it's almost all the same.

They are very different

Is there just some software that is making it really easy to create techno that everyone but me has?

FL Studio and Reason seem to be the favourites around these parts although alot of professional users use Cubase or Logic then you get Pro Tools etc blah blah. But FL Studio is recommended (but is not limited to) for beginners.

[kjhf]

Just to say none of my songs are techno based...

That gives me an idea...

[NDawg07]

Thanks. I'll look into that. Honestly, all the music I plan to upload is either live stuff or my recorded acoustic songs. It just annoyed me when I scrolled through the blues portal and heard a highly voted song that was not only techno, but didn't even remotely sound like blues.

But that aside thanks, I'll probably download Fl studio.

[monkey]

I hate techno. If u like it youre a zombie

[HaniiPuppy]

At 5/21/08 06:50 AM, monkey576468 wrote: I hate techno. If u like it youre a zombie

You own.

in all honesty, as long as you have any sequencer, techno isn't really that hard to make ... It's probably the ease of production that makes a lot of people stick to it to begin with ...

[SolusLunes]

At 5/21/08 05:08 PM, HaniiPuppy wrote: in all honesty, as long as you have any sequencer, techno isn't really that hard to make ... It's probably the ease of production that makes a lot of people stick to it to begin with ...

True, "techno" (and I'm using it as the blanket term, kiddies, please don't kill me nav :() is one of the easiest genres to break into for new musicians with computer music software.

However. Techno (again, blanket term for trance/DnB/electronica, fuck off, it's easier this way) is also one of the hardest to master, as you don't necessarily have a "default" kind of sound that an instrument is supposed to sound like. Sure, there's the "regular" complement of saws, that sort of thing, but each saw is different.

Instrumental music, and I know this is an oversimplification BUT: A trumpet is a trumpet is a trumpet is a trumpet. People will recognize it as a trumpet. You have a sound you can fall back on instead of having to forge new territory (if you make synths from scratch, which is probably the most fun bit for me :D) with every sound you make.

In "techno", you also have to have an attention-grabbing beat and melody, unless you're "avant-garde" and say "fuck it, I'm going to make the melody change throughout the ENTIRE SONG >:((((((((". Orchestrated music, however, relies on the variance of melodies and originality of phrases.

So... conclusion, drawn straight from the Othello game box: A minute to learn, a lifetime to master.

[HaniiPuppy]

At 5/21/08 06:18 PM, SolusLunes wrote: you don't necessarily have a "default" kind of sound that an instrument is supposed to sound like. Sure, there's the "regular" complement of saws, that sort of thing, but each saw is different.

Just a quicky, the same could be said for instruments other than Synths. For instance, when you're playing an electric guitar, you'll have to set the amp up yourself to get the specific sound you're looking for, and then you could get into effects through the amps - ie i sometimes a chorus and/or echo effect on electric guitars, occasionally a tremolo and/or reverb if i'm doing soft music, etc.

other than that, just one more thing (although this may be personal choice rather than general) - I despise when a single melody is used constantly through-out a song; imo, if a song even comes close to doing that, it has to have killer vocals/lyrics for me to like it - hence why i like to through-compose all my pieces.

[SolusLunes]

At 5/21/08 06:38 PM, HaniiPuppy wrote: Just a quicky, the same could be said for instruments other than Synths. For instance, when you're playing an electric guitar, you'll have to set the amp up yourself to get the specific sound you're looking for, and then you could get into effects through the amps - ie i sometimes a chorus and/or echo effect on electric guitars, occasionally a tremolo and/or reverb if i'm doing soft music, etc.

Right. But everyone KNOWS it's a guitar and expects a certain range of sounds from it. True, there is a wide range that can be achieved, but a guitar is still a guitar and people will normally recognize it as such with the preconceptions that comes with it.

[Envy]

Hardstyle/Hands up ftw XD

[sonicxtreme]

well they are not the same....if you listen well to comercial tracks of trance/techno genre youll see the diference..well most ppl here put trance in techno and techno in trance genre thats why you think its all the same but its not...

[HaniiPuppy]

At 5/21/08 08:16 PM, SolusLunes wrote: Right. But everyone KNOWS it's a guitar and expects a certain range of sounds from it. True, there is a wide range that can be achieved, but a guitar is still a guitar and people will normally recognize it as such with the preconceptions that comes with it.

thing is, same can be said for anything that has it's sounds mainly dictated through an amp or synth.

[DzGuy]

At 5/22/08 08:29 AM, HaniiPuppy wrote: thing is, same can be said for anything that has it's sounds mainly dictated through an amp or synth.

What??

There's literally an infinite amount of sounds you can create with a synthesizer. What similarities does every synth sound share (besides it being artificial) that somehow makes it easy to recognize?

[Sp1r1T]

At 5/21/08 08:52 PM, Envy wrote: Hardstyle/Hands up ftw XD

Jumpstyle and Chillout Trance FTW.

;D

[xKore]

At 5/22/08 03:37 PM, Sp1r1T wrote:

At 5/21/08 08:52 PM, Envy wrote: Hardstyle/Hands up ftw XD

Jumpstyle and Chillout Trance FTW.

;D

ew jumpstyle

freeform and hard dance ftw

[HaniiPuppy]

At 5/22/08 09:04 AM, DzGuy wrote:

At 5/22/08 08:29 AM, HaniiPuppy wrote: thing is, same can be said for anything that has it's sounds mainly dictated through an amp or synth.

What??

There's literally an infinite amount of sounds you can create with a synthesizer. What similarities does every synth sound share (besides it being artificial) that somehow makes it easy to recognize?

It's not that it can achieve endless amounts of sound (an electric guitar can do the same through it's amps), but it's what people expect them to sound like that straps it down to a few specific areas of sound.

[Suspended-3rd-Chord]

At 5/21/08 08:16 PM, SolusLunes wrote:

At 5/21/08 06:38 PM, HaniiPuppy wrote: Just a quicky, the same could be said for instruments other than Synths. For instance, when you're playing an electric guitar, you'll have to set the amp up yourself to get the specific sound you're looking for, and then you could get into effects through the amps - ie i sometimes a chorus and/or echo effect on electric guitars, occasionally a tremolo and/or reverb if i'm doing soft music, etc.

Right. But everyone KNOWS it's a guitar and expects a certain range of sounds from it. True, there is a wide range that can be achieved, but a guitar is still a guitar and people will normally recognize it as such with the preconceptions that comes with it.

I don't know about you Solus, but my guitar has ASDR envelopes, an LFO modulation wheel, a bunch of filters, and 6 different oscillators to generate a variety of sounds.

[DzGuy]

At 5/22/08 04:40 PM, HaniiPuppy wrote: It's not that it can achieve endless amounts of sound (an electric guitar can do the same through it's amps), but it's what people expect them to sound like that straps it down to a few specific areas of sound.

You basically just said the exact same thing in your previous post and didn't answer my question.

[HaniiPuppy]

At 5/22/08 11:49 PM, DzGuy wrote:

At 5/22/08 04:40 PM, HaniiPuppy wrote: It's not that it can achieve endless amounts of sound (an electric guitar can do the same through it's amps), but it's what people expect them to sound like that straps it down to a few specific areas of sound.

You basically just said the exact same thing in your previous post and didn't answer my question.

and the question was? both electric guitars and techno synths have endless different sounds they can produce, but are limited to a specific area of sound by what people expect them to sound like.

[GlowingMonkey]

At 5/14/08 12:17 PM, NDawg07 wrote: It seems that techno (which does include trance, electronica, etc)

Well, it seems that you don't know exactly what techno is. Techno doesn't include trance, electronica etc... Techno is a form of electronic music, and electronic music/electronica is amongs others trance, techno, dance, house, ambient etc... And the reason why the most of the NG users uploads electronic music (also known as computer music , is because most of the NG users are making their music on a computer...

Got it?

[DzGuy]

At 5/23/08 03:24 AM, HaniiPuppy wrote: and the question was? both electric guitars and techno synths have endless different sounds they can produce, but are limited to a specific area of sound by what people expect them to sound like.

My question is
:What similarities does every synth sound share (besides it being artificial) that somehow makes it easy to recognize?

and stop repeating the same thing over and over and over again. omg broken record.

[Nintechno]

It seems like people who play guitars are liek: "Zomg, techno is dumb cuz its easy blah blah blah" And people who make techno (w00t), are liek: "Lol, guitar sucks cuz it sounds teh same always". This is because people are unfamilliar with other's instruments/methods of creation. And will therefore assume their own version is better.
When it all comes down to it though, a guitar cannot make most of the noises that techno does (saws etc.), but techno programs (FL etc) CAN make guitar sounds, therefore: Techno FTW!

...Kidding, I think it requires more skill to learn to play the guitar, but more skill to be good at techno. Techno is easier to learn, but to be really good...

[SolusLunes]

At 5/22/08 04:58 PM, Suspended-3rd-Chord wrote: I don't know about you Solus, but my guitar has ASDR envelopes, an LFO modulation wheel, a bunch of filters, and 6 different oscillators to generate a variety of sounds.

If all that's on the guitar or amp without requiring postprocessing, then that's FUCKING AWESOME. :D

I never really thought about how goddamned awesome a combination guitar-6x Osc would be.

[ganon95]

i do techno and trance because i love doing it. i use fruity loops studio 7

with it you could make a song sound like this =]

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1 45880

[Nintechno]

At 5/23/08 08:44 PM, ganon95 wrote: i do techno and trance because i love doing it. i use fruity loops studio 7

with it you could make a song sound like this =]

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1 45880

lol, subtle advertising, I like it.

[Pounce]

Electronica is harder than you think to make.

"Techno" is just a genre of Electronica in general. Seperate from Trance, dance, DnB. Don't get that mixed up.

[Nintechno]

At 5/23/08 10:50 PM, DragonsGrief wrote: Electronica is harder than you think to make.

"Techno" is just a genre of Electronica in general. Seperate from Trance, dance, DnB. Don't get that mixed up.

True.

While they are all awesome, they all involve different techniques and styles. And sometimes, you have to make it to know the difference!

And yea, it IS hard to make. I would say it was easier to learn than say, the piano, but MUCH harder to perfect!

=D

[sumidiotdude]

If you want stereotypical techno, check out "The System is DOwn" by Strong Bad.

Some generic line from a movie...

[NDawg07]

Thanks for all the comments. I'm getting FL Studio, so that answers my question.

At 5/23/08 10:50 PM, DragonsGrief wrote:

"Techno" is just a genre of Electronica in general. Seperate from Trance, dance, DnB. Don't get that mixed up.

Not to sound like a douche, but I'm a music major specializing in what defines genres, the different histories, and sub-genres.

Techno is the mother genre (formed in Detroit in the late 80's). All the others, Electronica, trance, dance, are sub-genres and fusions. Not to say that that removes any of their value as music. I mean, metal is a sub-genre of rock, but it still is Metal. You know?

But anyway, that's for the help. I'm gonna experiment with FL Studio once I get it and see what comes out.

[Nav]

At 5/24/08 09:50 AM, NDawg07 wrote: Techno is the mother genre (formed in Detroit in the late 80's). All the others, Electronica, trance, dance, are sub-genres and fusions. Not to say that that removes any of their value as music. I mean, metal is a sub-genre of rock, but it still is Metal. You know?

Er... you must be a liar. Techno and Electronica are both PRESS WORDS (Techno has a non-press meaning, though). Techno was used as a word in the media to blanket all forms of electronic music. Electronica is also a blanket term, but is only used to describe post-90s music.

Techno, Trance, and Dance, while related, are quite different. Techno does borrow from the 80s in Detroit, with the twerpy drum machines and much more rhythmic patters. Then, however, with roots from disco, comes House, with more emphasis on the groove, and much more usage of the TR-909 as opposed to the 808 in Techno.

Dance doesn't really exist... Its sort of like house, sort of like breaks... its just used as a blanket term for popular electronic music, like the kinda stuff you hear on American radio station (thank god I stopped listening to those).

Trance, on the other hand, had very different influences. Starting as a very minimal genre, Trance evolved into pop-ish music by developing first progressive anthems, then pop anthems. Its like the gateway genre of electronic music, not pop but not really electronic.

Then there are many other genres, which people would still call "techno," but are in no way related at all to trance, dance, techno, or house. An example is Jungle/Drum 'n' Bass, which originated from Ragga, aka Records sped up with Jamaicans MCing over it. It lost the MCing, making Jungle. Add an intense bassline, and you get old skool dnb. Intensify the beat, and you get modern dnb. Add some vocals and you get the vocal styles of dnb, like Liquid Funk.

And then there's also downtempo stuff... Whole 'nother story.

Go here, and click the big button that says "Tutorial" to learn about the true origins. Its all valid.