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At 5/13/08 03:31 AM, WritersBlock wrote:
If you take an immoral act, such as the government legalising pot for financial gain, it doesn't matter where the money goes, they're still supporting the smoking of pot. It's sending mixed messages out to everyone. "Yeah, we used to say that it's bad, but now it's ok, because it's going to a worthy cause". We're still recovering from the mass popularity of cigarettes. The government is slowly filtering away the rights of smokers because they let it get to the extent that it did.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't smoke. That's your own decision, but for the government to support such acts, I'm totally against that.

What are you on about. All the government does is send mixed messages.

Legalizing pot wouldn't be the end of America, and it would save us money. Marijuana has seen significant progress since it first became popular, and eventually it's going to become more and more accepted by people. There used to be a time where people said pot made you insane and caused you to rape women. Nowadays there are theories, with substantial evidence, that pot can help people who are ill. That's as mixed a message as you're going to get.

I don't know about you, but I'm more scared of all these FDA approved medications that half of our country is prescribed on, than a little bit of weed.

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In a capitalist society, legalizing something as relatively harmless (especially when placed next to alcohol) would be the next option.

You see, in a free market economy as we have, there is a demand for certain items, and when there is a demand it is extremely profitable to supply it. There are many, many supplies and demands in our economy, and they all effect each other in some way with prices and so forth. But when you declare the supplying of a certain demand illegal, you are effectively cutting it of from the US net economy and allowing an underground black market economy the ability to reap the rewards.

It can be argued that there are certain ways that it helps our economy, such as police officers get paid, but this is truly not substantial given the amount we spend on putting away marijuana offenders and the war on drugs. This amount vastly, VASTLY overpasses any sort of profit we could make from it. If anything, the few lobbyists representing certain people who benefit personally from it being illegal may be disappointed, but that truly would not even come close to the figure of how much it would benefit.

My suggestion is that if it were to be legalized it should be encouraged that people don't use it, but it should be encouraged truthfully, much like cigarettes. They should emphasize the immediate risks with the damage it can cause to your lungs, especially since as of know that is the only area of damage we are positive about. Scare tactics are perfectly acceptable as well, as long as they are truthful.

Anyone who knows anything about the economy will agree. I think that it is obvious and logical enough and that enough people agree that soon policies will change concerning it. It's already happening in California with the medicinal marijuana. Perhaps with a Democratic presidency, or perhaps with the forward-thinkingness of McCain if that's the way it turns out, we will at the very least see improvements in policy concerning it.

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At 5/13/08 03:47 AM, Shawn wrote: Alot of governments already support it, and there doing fairly while be doing so with out a mass of people acting like morons!

Side-note only time i ever got 97% on tests was when i was stoned :)

I'll be guessing that the governments that already support it aren't the dominating forces of the world such as the US. I expect that sort of thing from European countries, and Canada, but the US is a prosperous country with lots of other countries depending on it to make smart decisions. The US worked through abolishing slavery, and protecting allies in the name of democracy (although there is the controversy over Iraq), introducing the legality of pot seems like a step back in progress. I mean, the legal age for alcohol is 21. It sounds to me that the US government is at least trying to keep the health and wellbeing of its citizens at the forefront of their minds.

As for you being smarter while stoned; good God, what a terrible excuse to get stoned. People talk pot up like it's some wonder drug, the repercussions are better than most drugs. All those statistics are idealistic, and they're just another reason to get high. It's an addiction, I don't want to spend my time hanging out for my next fix. People that depend on pot to have a good time are delusional. As I've mentioned before, I don't blame anyone for being addicted, it's the government of a country that everyone looks up to, giving it the ok, that's what I've got a problem with.

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At 5/13/08 04:07 AM, WritersBlock wrote: I'll be guessing that the governments that already support it aren't the dominating forces of the world such as the US. I expect that sort of thing from European countries, and Canada, but the US is a prosperous country with lots of other countries depending on it to make smart decisions.

Ok thats a bunch of bullshit right there, don't even bother giving me that American superiority complex BS "We already think you make stupid choices for electing Bush"

Dude i hope you also realize weed is used for medical reason too.

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At 5/13/08 04:13 AM, Shawn wrote:
At 5/13/08 04:07 AM, WritersBlock wrote: I'll be guessing that the governments that already support it aren't the dominating forces of the world such as the US. I expect that sort of thing from European countries, and Canada, but the US is a prosperous country with lots of other countries depending on it to make smart decisions.

Smart decisions! Yeah fucking right, that's why most of the world hates us.


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At 5/13/08 04:07 AM, Tancrisism wrote: In a capitalist society, legalizing something as relatively harmless (especially when placed next to alcohol) would be the next option.

Wow, fuck. Sorry, someone pointed this out to me. This paragraph is horribly unfinished. I apologize, and will step out of this debate for now. If you want my economic point, just ignore this first part.

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Personaly, I think they should just decriminalise the use and posession for personal use for all drugs. The current policy causes mor eprobalems than it solves, and only profits the criminals who circulate the stuff.

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At 5/13/08 04:07 AM, WritersBlock wrote:
As for you being smarter while stoned; good God, what a terrible excuse to get stoned. People talk pot up like it's some wonder drug, the repercussions are better than most drugs. All those statistics are idealistic, and they're just another reason to get high. It's an addiction, I don't want to spend my time hanging out for my next fix. People that depend on pot to have a good time are delusional. As I've mentioned before, I don't blame anyone for being addicted, it's the government of a country that everyone looks up to, giving it the ok, that's what I've got a problem with.

Your arguments against legalizing pot just don't have any substance. You claim it would be a step back, or it would show some kind of weakness in the government to legalize something that they've kept illegal for so long. Then you say things like legalizing pot would create more drug dealers, drop outs, and addicts. But, you don't give any examples to back it up, you just assume that this is what would happen.

Why would it be a step back in our countries progress? Was the legalization of alcohol a step back? It helped put a stop to organized crime and the government had more control over how it was distributed.

Why do you think there would be more drug dealers and drop outs? Do you see people peddling alcohol on the streets? If pot was legalized there would be more government control over it, just like alcohol. There would be designated areas to buy and smoke pot, just like in Amsterdam. You'd probably have to be 21 to smoke it. Kids would still be able to get it, but not anymore than they get alcohol.

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At 5/13/08 04:13 AM, Shawn wrote: Ok thats a bunch of bullshit right there, don't even bother giving me that American superiority complex BS "We already think you make stupid choices for electing Bush"

Did I say that electing bush was a mistake? No. I could have, but I didn't. I said there were controversies with Iraq, which IS true, weather you support Bush or not, you can't deny that. And you also can't deny that America has emerged as the dominant nation of the western world.

Dude i hope you also realize weed is used for medical reason too.

Yes, I have heard that. If doctors have deemed it necessary, then why not legalise pot as a subscription drug? Sure, it'll probably get abused, but there's no way around that, it'd be far better than the government giving their packets of marijuana the big green tick of approval.

Anyway, it seems that this debating won't really amount to much, so I'll make this my last post.
If the US were to legalise pot, I would have to agree with tancrisism that it should have the same warning that cigarettes do.

Whatever you have to say in response, I'm an Australian, and I'm happy with how my government's laws on smoking is being handled. I also notice that some of my arguments were over the top, but, w/e, it was a good debate. Well done sir.

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At 5/13/08 04:30 AM, WritersBlock wrote: but there's no way around that, it'd be far better than the government giving their packets of marijuana the big green tick of approval.

I'm not saying they should, I'm saying they should make it legal for medical reasons and whatnot.

Anyway, it seems that this debating won't really amount to much, so I'll make this my last post.

Ok then, i feel the same way Lol

If the US were to legalise pot, I would have to agree with tancrisism that it should have the same warning that cigarettes do.

I think all country's should do that.

Whatever you have to say in response, I'm an Australian, and I'm happy with how my government's laws on smoking is being handled. I also notice that some of my arguments were over the top, but, w/e, it was a good debate. Well done sir.

I'm happy with my country's laws as well, and good job to you too!

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At 5/13/08 04:30 AM, WritersBlock wrote: I'm an Australian.

I hate you so much right now.


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Maybe if people stopped buying weed then it wouldn't cost the government so much.

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At 5/13/08 04:30 AM, WritersBlock wrote:
Yes, I have heard that. If doctors have deemed it necessary, then why not legalise pot as a subscription drug?

you meant perscription drug?
Sure, it'll probably get abused, but there's no way around that,
coffee is abused and its more harmful

I also notice that some of my arguments were over the top, but, w/e, it was a good debate. Well done sir.

you arguements are retarded, hey lets call people delusional
50000 of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o-IEOhCa Gc
in a city of about 2 million

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also the company dupont (played a role in cannabis laws) made zyclon b for the nazis, and since you love governments so much

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At 5/13/08 05:01 AM, unowned wrote:
coffee is abused and its more harmful

THC has a LD50 value of 1270 mg/kg male rats
caffeine LD50 (Lethal Dose*) 192 mg/kg in rats

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At 5/13/08 05:17 AM, unowned wrote:
At 5/13/08 05:01 AM, unowned wrote:
coffee is abused and its more harmful
THC has a LD50 value of 1270 mg/kg male rats
caffeine LD50 (Lethal Dose*) 192 mg/kg in rats

Why should anyone care about what you have to say?
You triple posted. Didn't you also say that THC has more caffiene than the lethal dose? You say coffee is more harmful. Get yer facts straight.

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Legalize "Rape".

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At 5/13/08 06:46 AM, toungeofshoe wrote: . Didn't you also say that THC has more caffiene than the lethal dose?

i said "thc has more caffiene than the lethal dose"???
are you blind?

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At 5/13/08 06:58 AM, unowned wrote:
At 5/13/08 06:46 AM, toungeofshoe wrote: . Didn't you also say that THC has more caffiene than the lethal dose?
i said "thc has more caffiene than the lethal dose"???
are you blind?
At 5/13/08 05:17 AM, unowned wrote:
At 5/13/08 05:01 AM, unowned wrote:
coffee is abused and its more harmful
THC has a LD50 value of 1270 mg/kg male rats
caffeine LD50 (Lethal Dose*) 192 mg/kg in rats

hmm try and find it, or go back to english class. like in grade one or whatever

and some more google links
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=cann abis+music+perception&btnG=Google+Search &meta=

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The complications that would arise as a result of legalizing Marijuana in the states would cost even more than it cost to keep the law.

But after time the problems would subside, and you would have more tourists, and more taxes.

If the government taxed Cannabis, the profit would be enormous.

But it is terrible... Weed does fuck you up in the long run, but no more than Alchol or tobacco.

I don't know. It's a hard decision really!

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At 5/13/08 07:00 AM, unowned wrote:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=cann abis+music+perception&btnG=Google+Search &meta=

http://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/albu m/all-time
everyone should listen to those on psychedelics, wasnt there a stereotype of pot being only used by jazzmusicians? and sober people now make it without knowing it?

they all seem to be from the 1960s, where a bunch of engineering techniques and sound effects were pioneered

cannabis is like a mild psychedelic, depends on the person

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At 5/13/08 07:14 AM, unowned wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10w3FuCw fQ
the comedic version

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At 5/13/08 02:36 AM, WritersBlock wrote: so... just because it costs a wealthy nation a lot of money, you're saying it should be legalised. Just to save the US some money.
Do you know what else is costing the government lots of money? Health and Education. They should cut funding to public schools and hospitals too.

If money's you're only reason for legalising pot, then I fail to see why governments exist at all...

It was illegalized in the first place because of money (oil companies wanted bigger market for their miracle product petroleum), so why shouldn't the same be true when it comes to legalizing it?

That's also the money the US government SPENDS on catching these "criminals." When they could be making billions more by TAXING the stuff.

More money for your Health and Education.

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At 5/13/08 04:30 AM, WritersBlock wrote:
Whatever you have to say in response, I'm an Australian, and I'm happy with how my government's laws on smoking is being handled. I also notice that some of my arguments were over the top, but, w/e, it was a good debate. Well done sir.

The continent of Australia apologises for this fools remarks, if he is found hiding from his ownage here then you can be assured that he will end up in a detention center.


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At 5/13/08 04:01 AM, DirtySyko wrote:
I don't know about you, but I'm more scared of all these FDA approved medications that half of our country is prescribed on, than a little bit of weed.

Fucking amen to that.

The fact is that the government doesn't want you to be able to grow basically Tylenol in your backyard.

It's all about money. So whoever (i think it was writer's block) says that's not a reason to do anything. Haha. That's the only reason the government ever does ANYTHING.

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So many pothead and so many people mentally addictive to Marijuana. If you legalized it, it wouldn't save any money nor would the government profit off of it. If they taxed it, no one would buy it. If it's legal people would just grow their own and sell it cheaper then what the stores are and people would still be going to Dealers. They would do exactly what they are doing now. There's no money involved.

Other people kill others, by smoking cigerettes, which rules of smoking in public is becoming a lot more illegal these days. The last thing we need is people who smoke to get others who don't wanna be high, high, because they want to smoke around other people.

Why don't they legalize it? There is NO beneifical purpose to marijuana, to the common person. If you wanna get technical with medical marijuana and such, there is other methods out there to cure and help out those same diseases. Medical marijuana is just an argument, that most potheads will come up with because they think it makes you healthy. Every single drug in the world, has a side effect. Short term or long term, it effects others differently. Marijuana is no different. In fact marijuana, is harmful. Just because it isn't a hard drug like cocaine, crack, and meth, does not mean it's any less harmful to you.

There is hundreds upon many diseases, short term and long term that marijuana can cause. From cancer to Brain Damages.

The last thing we need is something legalized with no purpose other then to make people "feel good" and cause other to inhale the harmful smoke. If they don't allow people to really smoke cigerettes anywhere because it can kill people who do not want to inhale the toxins, what makes you think marijuana would be any more accepted being smoked while driving, eating at restraunts, in your own house with family members, in public places, or even on the streets. Those toxins float through the air you know.


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At 5/13/08 07:35 AM, Samuraikyo wrote: Those toxins float through the air you know.

A poisonous substance, especially a protein, that is produced by living cells or organisms and is capable of causing disease when introduced into the body tissues but is often also capable of inducing neutralizing antibodies or antitoxins.

hey lets talk like new age hippies, or oriental healers or whatever

are you smoking spoiled cannabis (bacteria produce toxins), and all the smoking talk, you dont even have to smoke it

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haha "brain damages", lets just call it "body damages" to get even more vague

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At 5/13/08 07:35 AM, Samuraikyo wrote: So many pothead and so many people mentally addictive to Marijuana. If you legalized it, it wouldn't save any money nor would the government profit off of it. If they taxed it, no one would buy it. If it's legal people would just grow their own and sell it cheaper then what the stores are and people would still be going to Dealers. They would do exactly what they are doing now. There's no money involved.

Are you fucking joking? It would save at least the 42 that the OP indicated. You're dumb.


Other people kill others, by smoking cigerettes, which rules of smoking in public is becoming a lot more illegal these days. The last thing we need is people who smoke to get others who don't wanna be high, high, because they want to smoke around other people.

Yeah whose to say that it wouldn't be treated the same as cigarettes. Companies can use their discretion, ban it on their property etc. Legalizing it would not directly affect this either.


Every single drug in the world, has a side effect. Short term or long term, it effects others differently. Marijuana is no different. In fact marijuana, is harmful. Just because it isn't a hard drug like cocaine, crack, and meth, does not mean it's any less harmful to you.

Actually it does. That's why they're called hard drugs. =|

I forget which player said it, but he said practically everyone in the NBA smokes pot.


There is hundreds upon many diseases, short term and long term that marijuana can cause. From cancer to Brain Damages.

Cancer: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_
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Brain damange: http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/
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The last thing we need is something legalized with no purpose other then to make people "feel good"

Alcohol.
Fast food.
Casinos.
Strip clubs.
Pools.
Theme parks.

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