I am pro-abortion

[Malachy]

That's right. I am totally in favor of abortion and birth control.

I feel that as a population we have become far too weak by not allowing natural selection run it's course, and truly one of the easiest ways to help combat what modern science has done to our species is to use science to put us back on course.

It would be reasonable to assume that lower class, inner city individuals with low education and low paying salaries are not a desirable future for any child. Inbred low intelligence rednecks in the country is also an unfit household for any growing child. So why even bother allowing such things to occur.

It would be strongly beneficial to the Human race as a whole if we started instituting mandatory abortions for all those who meet certain criteria:

Inbreeding in the last 2 generations
3 prior DWI convictions
Pre-meditated murder conviction
failure to attain acceptable IQ results
failure to pass specific parenting seminars/exams.
Use of Welfare to support self/family for more than 4 years
Poor driving record
low credit score

These things are often strong indicators of the ability of an individual to properly maintain themselves and dependents. If you aren't able to take care of yourself, why should you be trusted with a child?

Studies and recent news events prove that certain people simply should not be allowed to procreate. It is for the good of the society and the species to make sure these types of people are not spreading their genes onto the next generation. With luck, we may be able to set our species back on track to evolving instead of standing still or dying off because of undesirable genes proliferating throughout the entire gene pool.

lolol at all of you who are currently typing up a very long and thought out rebuttal. It's cute, really ^_^

[Malachy]

also,

[homor]

yeah, nice nazi mindset, i love your disvalue of human life too, hitler would be really proud.

no, this isn't a guilt trip, or a joke. this is how hitler really thought.

[dySWN]

Seriously, we already have one of these on the front page...

[homor]

HAI GUIZ AT LEAST ITS NOT ADOPTION RITE????!!!!

[hippl5]

I'll have to agree with Malachy. Some people should have been aborted from the moment their mother got pregnant, and some people don't deserve kids.

[Malachy]

At 5/12/08 01:00 PM, homor wrote: yeah, nice nazi mindset, i love your disvalue of human life too, hitler would be really proud.

no, this isn't a guilt trip, or a joke. this is how hitler really thought.

seig heil

[Earfetish]

there's no reason for us to encourage evolution. What will be best is having as wide a gene pool as possible, full of the genes for stupid people who drink too much as well as educated people who internet too much, so that when the asteroid comes we'll have a better chance of survival. We don't need to prune genes; we might prune the wrong ones and doom the human race.

[Elfer]

At 5/12/08 01:00 PM, homor wrote: yeah, nice nazi mindset, i love your disvalue of human life too, hitler would be really proud.

no, this isn't a guilt trip, or a joke. this is how hitler really thought.

Yeah, except Hitler fucked it up by using demographics instead of performance. He also used a controversial disposal system rather than just halting production. That's why there were no benefits to it.

[cellardoor6]

Um, if we abort all the bottom-feeders, who will be there to, you know, feed at the bottom?

Who will flip our burgers, mow our lawns, fix our pipes, clean our gutters, and pick up our garbage? Who will consume all the consumer products that are designed to appeal to that lower rung of society? If we use abortion as a way to purify the species of the types you mentioned, our species as a whole would just collapse. Unless of course we invented a race of machines or something to replace said bottom-feeders.

But we all know what that could mean.

[Al6200]

At 5/12/08 11:52 AM, Malachy wrote: That's right. I am totally in favor of abortion and birth control.

The 2nd part is irrelevant to your thesis. Total red-herring.

I feel that as a population we have become far too weak by not allowing natural selection run it's course

Then you shouldn't be just for abortion. You should also be for all murders in general of less desirable persons.

Also, you should realize that humanity has gotten very far technologically by protecting the weaker members of its species - rather than by cannibalizing them. In fact, Professor John Nash showed in his Nobel Prize winning doctoral thesis that there is an evolutionary advantage to cooperative behavior that might be irrational for each individual. Your assertion itself shows a grade-school understanding of evolution theory.

and truly one of the easiest ways to help combat what modern science has done to our species is to use science to put us back on course.

Science is a way of studying the natural world and determining truth. Science says "This is what is" not "This is what should be".

Moreover,

It would be reasonable to assume that lower class, inner city individuals with low education and low paying salaries are not a desirable future for any child.

What logically follows from that is a policy of helping poor children to get more opportunities in our society - not killing all of undesirable children.

Inbred low intelligence rednecks in the country is also an unfit household for any growing child. So why even bother allowing such things to occur.

What lovely racist sentiment. Has it ever occured to you that:

-Not all people who live in rural areas are unintelligent. In fact, the vast majority of today's city dwellers once lived in the country, so your idea that rural people can only breed more rural people is almost laughable.

-Intelligence isn't 100% inherited

-Even if someone isn't intelligent - their life still has value

It would be strongly beneficial to the Human race as a whole if we started instituting mandatory abortions for all those who meet certain criteria:

If we're using these criteria why not just sterilize people rather than force abortions.

failure to attain acceptable IQ results

lol. I guess that IQ result will end up being below your result, eh?

Studies and recent news events prove that certain people simply should not be allowed to procreate. It is for the good of the society and the species to make sure these types of people are not spreading their genes onto the next generation. With luck, we may be able to set our species back on track to evolving instead of standing still or dying off because of undesirable genes proliferating throughout the entire gene pool.

Your entire policy is unnecessarily cruel (utility no greater than forced vasectomies) and based on an incredibly weak knowledge of well... everything.

[TehChahlesh]

I see, so we are all actually massive cogs in a sociological machine that should be destroyed if we don't benefit the machine as a whole!

I was a bit confused, thinking that self aware beings had some kind of right to life.

[Elfer]

At 5/12/08 02:31 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: But we all know what that could mean.

Whatever, the robot dystopia only happens in movies so far.

[SmilezRoyale]

The one problem with the hitler logic is that his particular desire to irradiate the jews was somewhat silly, if you are 'scientific' enough to regard the jews as a race of people; you would also have to be scientific enough to acknowledge that for the small size of the jewish population, the jews contributed heavily to the fields of science, law, and economics. HELL a large percentage of the Nobel peace prises were won by jews [Even back when the Nobel peace prize actually meant something]

If anything, everyone except the jews should be irradiated.

Anywho... The notion of sterilizing individuals who are failures in life is cruel but as far as i can see there exists no physical argument against it except for the fact that those people are needed to serve on the bottom rung of society. Other than that, the argument is as emotionalistic as anti-abortion activism.

[SolInvictus]

At 5/12/08 03:32 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 5/12/08 02:31 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: But we all know what that could mean.

Whatever, the robot dystopia only happens in movies so far.

imagine abortions lead to robot dystopias. i'm not sure if this makes me want more or less abortion.

[Drakim]

At 5/12/08 02:31 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Um, if we abort all the bottom-feeders, who will be there to, you know, feed at the bottom?
But we all know what that could mean.

Don't listen to celly, he doesn't know what he is talking about.

I for one, welcome our new robotic overlords.

[Ravariel]

At 5/12/08 03:40 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 5/12/08 03:32 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 5/12/08 02:31 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: But we all know what that could mean.

Whatever, the robot dystopia only happens in movies so far.

imagine abortions lead to robot dystopias. i'm not sure if this makes me want more or less abortion.

Y'know... I was thinking the same thing...

>_>

<_<

[The-evil-bucket]

At 5/12/08 01:31 PM, homor wrote: HAI GUIZ AT LEAST ITS NOT ADOPTION RITE????!!!!

That's exactly what abortion is. No joke.

[SolInvictus]

At 5/12/08 06:07 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote:

At 5/12/08 01:31 PM, homor wrote: HAI GUIZ AT LEAST ITS NOT ADOPTION RITE????!!!!

That's exactly what abortion is. No joke.

or you could go with old school abortificant medicinals.

pennyroyal tea anyone?

are any abortive medications prescribed (other than the morning after pill) anymore?

not that they were ever really "prescribed".

[mrhardrock]

yes some of ur reasons r good but y cant u just put them up for adoption instead of abortion and just because of those reasons doesnt mean someone cant be a good parent and yes every1s life is value no matter how stuiped or worthless they seem we need people to serve in the army or do the jobs that the dregs of society that that one guy said it would cause our society to collapse if every1 who u deemed worthless was killed

[morefngdbs]

At 5/12/08 11:58 AM, Malachy wrote: also,

;
I see your a fan of the High Tech abortion tools.

I still feel it should be a right that women can use if they so wish.
And no man should ever be able to decide the right & or wrong of it.
Their body...their choice.

[Brick-top]

I dont know about Abortion. I don't think I care.

But what really pisses me off is the people who argue about it like kids.

"It's murder"

"no, it's a womans choice"

"The government promotes death"

"So do executions"

etc etc etc etc fucking etc.

Why don't we promote more contraception, safe sex and adopt the hundreds of thousands of unadopted kids that actually need help?

"Yes brick, that makes perfect sense, it's great that you're so amazing and handsome"

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

That's rediculous.

Except the part about low credit score.

[Malachy]

At 5/12/08 11:52 AM, Malachy wrote:

lolol at all of you who are currently typing up a very long and thought out rebuttal. It's cute, really ^_^

quoted for great justice

[homor]

At 5/12/08 06:10 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 5/12/08 06:07 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote:

At 5/12/08 01:31 PM, homor wrote: HAI GUIZ AT LEAST ITS NOT ADOPTION RITE????!!!!

That's exactly what abortion is. No joke.

or you could go with old school abortificant medicinals.

that almost no one does.

[SolInvictus]

At 5/12/08 08:42 PM, homor wrote:

At 5/12/08 06:10 PM, SolInvictus wrote: or you could go with old school abortificant medicinals.

that almost no one does.

i know, but its old school so it should make abortion cool.

but seriously, the issue of whether or not mutilation is involved is irrelevant.

[homor]

At 5/12/08 08:45 PM, SolInvictus wrote: but seriously, the issue of whether or not mutilation is involved is irrelevant.

not for the people who say "HURR WELL BEING IN AN ORPHANGE IS TOTALY WORSE!".

given its hard to live in foster care, but its nothing like abortion.

[Malachy]

there ought to be no mutilation. dialate the wenche's cervix as much as possible, pull the little bugger out whole and then put it in a glass bottle for the couple to take home and ponder over what happens when they try to procreate.

Also, I totally agree with gutting out sex organs of the undesirable IQs...but saying that totally ruins the fun of a topic named "I am pro-abortion".

[SolInvictus]

At 5/12/08 08:47 PM, homor wrote: not for the people who say "HURR WELL BEING IN AN ORPHANGE IS TOTALY WORSE!".

given its hard to live in foster care, but its nothing like abortion.

so because it looks grosser its worst? awesome.

[homor]

At 5/12/08 08:52 PM, SolInvictus wrote: so because it looks grosser its worst? awesome.

no.

because one is being mutilated and ones living under a roof to keep you out of the rain and getting food to eat.