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At 5/13/08 02:43 PM, SouthAsian wrote: his father used to be one but then he became an atheist.

From what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, but at the time of Obama's birth, his father was still a Muslim.

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At 5/13/08 03:58 PM, n64kid wrote:

At 5/13/08 02:43 PM, SouthAsian wrote: his father used to be one but then he became an atheist.

From what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, but at the time of Obama's birth, his father was still a Muslim.

I don't really care. I mean, any religion that claims babies as having their religion is obviousy, uhm, "less gifted".

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At 5/13/08 03:58 PM, n64kid wrote:

At 5/13/08 02:43 PM, SouthAsian wrote: his father used to be one but then he became an atheist.

From what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, but at the time of Obama's birth, his father was still a Muslim.

Well here's the facts:

Actually, according to what knowledge there is, when his parents met @ the University of Hawaii his father was an atheist and his mother an agnostic, she did not like organized religion. You can google can't you?

And regardless, Obama didn't know his father but from stories, he left when Obama was 2 years old to continue his studies in Connecticut, and then returned to Kenya.

His stepfather Lolo Saetoro (means crazy in Hawaiian) was a Muslim from Hawaii, he worked for the Indonesian government and then a US oil company, and Obama was in Indonesia from age 6-10. From all accounts Obama's stepfather was far from a devout Muslim.

In Indonesia the population is something like 90% Muslim. Obama attended public school there, not a Madrassa or some other radical Muslim school. The schools in Indonesia had a few hours of religious teaching each week, so in the 2 years he was in a public Muslim dominated school, he did have to attend some Muslim religious teachings. But it was not something like his parents wanted him to become a Muslim, it was a public school, those were what he could attend. And people forget, that back then, Muslim wasn't thought to be something terrible as it seems to be now so it's not like they would've avoided it at all costs, they took him to school where he could go. Period.

The other 2 years there he spent in a Catholic school. Obama talks about how he felt removed during the religious teachings at either school in his books. His mother always remained removed from organized religion of any sort, and instilled that in her son. That's why he didn't end up joining a church until much later in life, because he never felt like it was important.

In any case, all of the claims are made in such a way to make it seem as if somehow, by the time Obama was age 10 he was a radical Muslim and still is now, even though there is no information, nothing, after he turned 10 years old, that points to him being involved with Islam in any shape or form.

I don't know how people rationalize saying he is a Muslim at all.

Not to mention, Muslim does not equate to terrorist. To think otherwise is utter bigotry.

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