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At 5/9/08 05:07 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 5/9/08 06:23 AM, Drakim wrote: US Military: Leader of al-Qaida in Iraq Has Not Been Captured
http://voanews.com/english/2008-05-09-vo a9.cfm

Nah sorry, all you got was epic fail.

Because Drakim loves it when terrorists win.

What liberal doesn't?

It doesn't really mean anything. I mean sure, great news, go USA, yadda yadda yadda. They're still going to find someone to replace him. It's not as if we take out Bin Laden or whatever terrorist, and suddenly the Islamo-fascist theology just crumbles.

At 5/11/08 07:38 PM, CommanderX1125 wrote:

At 5/11/08 04:10 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 5/11/08 10:12 AM, bcdemon wrote:
You two support the terrorists, not I.

Found one.

You really should start keeping track of just how many you find over the course of your time at NG, that would be great as well.

You'd need to send to NASA to calculate the total though.....
And I don't think they have a spare computer network to dedicate to tallying idiots and idiot comments on NG.....

At 5/11/08 03:40 PM, Memorize wrote: something about Sadr City....

Are you telling me that I support the Muqtada al-Sadr and his militia?
ROFL, and you call me delusional. Hell your making shit up just so you can keep on arguing.

At 5/11/08 03:45 PM, WolvenBear wrote: you claim WE can't understand.

That's right, you don't understand. Your going on the "if your not with us your against us" logic, which, like GW Bush, is fucking retarded. See you group them all together, terrorists, insurgents and everyday Joes who don't want your soldiers waving their guns and shooting people. You don't see a difference between the Iraqi who is trying to defend his life from an invading country and a guy who left Saudi Arabia 2 months ago so he could blow up some Americans.

At 5/13/08 10:04 AM, bcdemon wrote:

Are you telling me that I support the Muqtada al-Sadr and his militia?
ROFL, and you call me delusional. Hell your making shit up just so you can keep on arguing.

Well, let's see.

As far as "Defending their own country" goes. We've just eliminated insurgents and the various militias through out Iraq.

Which means that the only people left for you to support are the individual rougue elements who, by your own admission, still fire at US soldiers (when, as I said, are there to protect civilians).

The only difference between them and the Mehdii army is that they aren't an organized militia.

But if not: Then who the fuck do you support?

First you say you support those who have been label'd as "insurgents". Then turn right around and say "They aren't suicide bombing".

Which leaves the other Iraqi's who have joined some form of militia, which acts more like gangs and criminals, but you then reject that.

At 5/11/08 03:45 PM, WolvenBear wrote: you claim WE can't understand.

That's right, you don't understand. Your going on the "if your not with us your against us" logic, which, like GW Bush, is fucking retarded. See you group them all together, terrorists, insurgents and everyday Joes who don't want your soldiers waving their guns and shooting people. You don't see a difference between the Iraqi who is trying to defend his life from an invading country and a guy who left Saudi Arabia 2 months ago so he could blow up some Americans.

News Flash: Sadr's army ARE regular Iraqi's claiming their defending themselves.

At 5/11/08 11:28 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 5/11/08 07:38 PM, CommanderX1125 wrote:

At 5/11/08 04:10 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 5/11/08 10:12 AM, bcdemon wrote:
You two support the terrorists, not I.

Found one.

You really should start keeping track of just how many you find over the course of your time at NG, that would be great as well.

You'd need to send to NASA to calculate the total though.....
And I don't think they have a spare computer network to dedicate to tallying idiots and idiot comments on NG.....

Damn budget cuts.... When will mankind learn of the greatness that could be gained from the knowledge of idiots that NG provides?

At 5/13/08 12:15 PM, CommanderX1125 wrote: When will mankind learn of the greatness that could be gained from the knowledge of idiots that NG provides?

Thanks for the new sig quote.

At 5/13/08 11:16 AM, Memorize wrote: Then who the fuck do you support?

Only because I know you're a fucking useless tool, will I explain this one final time.

I support the Iraqi that defends his home land against an American occupation.
I DO NOT SUPPORT PEOPLE THAT KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

FYI: I put the important shit in CAPS so you (hopefully) won't miss it this time.

Oh, and maybe drop the "our soldiers are there to protect civilians" bullshit. Your soldiers were sent there to invade the country, topple the government, and set up a more US-friendly government. Your soldiers have raped, murdered and tortured innocent Iraqi civilians, killing scores of them.

At 5/14/08 06:21 PM, bcdemon wrote:

Only because I know you're a fucking useless tool, will I explain this one final time.

I support the Iraqi that defends his home land against an American occupation.
I DO NOT SUPPORT PEOPLE THAT KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

How overly broad.

That definition can very well fit with the Sadr military force.

They are instructed NOT to fire on civilians and be used only for defense. However, their leader still takes orders from the religious council of Iran, and the people are Happy they are gone and that the government is cracking down on them.

Other than that, there's no one for the US or Iraqi military to target. They don't target civilians unless fired upon first.

And STILL, the Iraqi government was ELECTED by the PEOPLE. So those lowly militant groups which specifically target the US are still technically terrorists.

They are targetting the government which their own countrymen ELECTED.

Oh, and maybe drop the "our soldiers are there to protect civilians" bullshit. Your soldiers were sent there to invade the country, topple the government, and set up a more US-friendly government. Your soldiers have raped, murdered and tortured innocent Iraqi civilians, killing scores of them.

Saddam:
-Rape/Torture rooms
-Mass slaughter (millions killed from the time he's been in power.
-Illegal missles
-Paying families whose members martyr themselves who attack US allies
-Al Zarqawi emassing an Al Qeada branch in Iraq 1 year before the invasion

Sunni's, who make up 20% of the population, make up 40% of the police force helping the US.

You'd think that the group Saddam favored, who are Sunni's like Al Qaeda, would be our #1 problem in Iraq. You would think they'd be claiming that we're "mass killing" their population and "raping their women" (Even though the US punishes and sentences those who do such things - which we've already done with those soldiers).

Instead, we've got a minority population running straight to the police and military force to protect their government and fight of insurgents.

Hell, even the Sunni Bloc has returned to the cabinet because they saw that Malaki (shiite) was willing and able to crack down on shiia militias.

So don't give your bullshit.

At 5/14/08 08:35 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 5/14/08 06:21 PM, bcdemon wrote:

Only because I know you're a fucking useless tool, will I explain this one final time.

I support the Iraqi that defends his home land against an American occupation.
I DO NOT SUPPORT PEOPLE THAT KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS.

How overly broad.

Overly broad?
Please explain.

Oh, and maybe drop the "our soldiers are there to protect civilians" bullshit. Your soldiers were sent there to invade the country, topple the government, and set up a more US-friendly government. Your soldiers have raped, murdered and tortured innocent Iraqi civilians, killing scores of them.

Saddam:
-Rape/Torture rooms

The same ones the US soldiers used to rape, murder and torture Iraqis, how ironic.

-Mass slaughter (millions killed from the time he's been in power.

I can give you a list of other countries (without oil unfortunately) that have brutal dictators in power, you going to invade and take them out too?

-Illegal missles

LMAO, illegal in the sense they went 30km farther than they should have, and that was empty. It's not like Iraq was dropping cluster bombs and napalm in populated areas.

-Paying families whose members martyr themselves who attack US allies

I really don't see an issue with this. If someone is willing to blow them self up and take some US soldiers with them, why not get paid for it? Wouldn't you like to leave your family something when you leave this planet?

-Al Zarqawi emassing an Al Qeada branch in Iraq 1 year before the invasion

Did you think he wasn't watching CNN either? Everyone knew a year before the invasion that an invasion was imminent.

Sooo, do you understand yet?

At 5/15/08 03:31 AM, bcdemon wrote:

Saddam:
-Rape/Torture rooms

The same ones the US soldiers used to rape, murder and torture Iraqis, how ironic.

Ok.

Name incidents of rape comitted by US troops where they weren't punished.

-Mass slaughter (millions killed from the time he's been in power.

I can give you a list of other countries (without oil unfortunately) that have brutal dictators in power, you going to invade and take them out too?

Except those other countries didn't have Al Qaeda emassing a small army inside their nation 1 year before the invasion, did they?

-Illegal missles

LMAO, illegal in the sense they went 30km farther than they should have, and that was empty. It's not like Iraq was dropping cluster bombs and napalm in populated areas.

Yeah, I suppose the 3 million people killed during the Iran-Iraq war was just an illusion.

Or maybe the 8 million in mass graves.

-Paying families whose members martyr themselves who attack US allies

I really don't see an issue with this. If someone is willing to blow them self up and take some US soldiers with them, why not get paid for it? Wouldn't you like to leave your family something when you leave this planet?

Lol, you are a certifiable nutjob.

-Al Zarqawi emassing an Al Qeada branch in Iraq 1 year before the invasion

Did you think he wasn't watching CNN either? Everyone knew a year before the invasion that an invasion was imminent.

Sooo, do you understand yet?

Wait...

So... you don't take issue with the fact that 2006 retrieved documents detailed contexts between Saddam and Bin Laden, and that Al Qaeda was building their own military in Iraq 1 year before the invasion, and you still lay blame on the US after 9/11?

You terrorist supporting bastard, lol. You really are one sick, dumb fuck.

At 5/13/08 10:04 AM, bcdemon wrote: That's right, you don't understand. Your going on the "if your not with us your against us" logic, which, like GW Bush, is fucking retarded. See you group them all together, terrorists, insurgents and everyday Joes who don't want your soldiers waving their guns and shooting people. You don't see a difference between the Iraqi who is trying to defend his life from an invading country and a guy who left Saudi Arabia 2 months ago so he could blow up some Americans.

When you call us murderers and celebrate those who kill civilians you don't have a right to call for nuance as you're either too stupid or too evil to understand the dynamic of good vs evil.

There are NO innocent Iraqis defending themselves from the US . NONE. You're a worthless jackass.

At 5/15/08 03:51 AM, Memorize wrote: So... you don't take issue with the fact that 2006 retrieved documents detailed contexts between Saddam and Bin Laden, and that Al Qaeda was building their own military in Iraq 1 year before the invasion, and you still lay blame on the US after 9/11?

ROFL. Hey stupid, read this But feel free to link to these so called "detailed contexts between Saddam and Bin Laden", I would be interested in reading them. And yes I lay blame on the US, DUH, you attacked the sovereign nation of Iraq which did nothing to harm you or threaten you.

You terrorist supporting bastard, lol. You really are one sick, dumb fuck.

And you are a confused and delusional little boy.

At 5/15/08 04:57 AM, WolvenBear wrote: When you call us murderers and celebrate those who kill civilians you don't have a right to call for nuance as you're either too stupid or too evil to understand the dynamic of good vs evil.

There are NO innocent Iraqis defending themselves from the US . NONE. You're a worthless jackass.

Do you have proof that there are no innocent Iraqis defending themselves against the US? Prove it or shut it.
You are just like your lil sidekick memorize, you lie and put words in peoples mouths just so you can have something to argue.

Have fun with that.

At 5/15/08 03:51 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 5/15/08 03:31 AM, bcdemon wrote: I can give you a list of other countries (without oil unfortunately) that have brutal dictators in power, you going to invade and take them out too?

Except those other countries didn't have Al Qaeda emassing a small army inside their nation 1 year before the invasion, did they?

So you agree that this war (or should I call it a "crusade"?) was intentionally wrought for purely selfish reasons (protecting our own nation's hide from any future attacks) and that any "liberation" on the native Iraqi's part was just some perk?

At 5/15/08 11:23 AM, MattBlackguard wrote: ...and that any "liberation" on the native Iraqi's part was just some perk?

people, this is politics.

The Americans have to realise that if they invade and terrorise other peoples in far flung areas of the world, people are going to rise up and defeat the oppressor. Thank goodness, the Canadians, Germans, and the French took a moral stance against these aggressors.

I hope that one day, the people of Iraq and other dominated nations will otherthrow the American Empire, and estblish peace and justice in this cruel world.

At 5/15/08 12:12 PM, adanac wrote: I hope that one day, the people of Iraq and other dominated nations will otherthrow the American Empire, and estblish peace and justice in this cruel world.

qué?

At 5/15/08 12:19 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 5/15/08 12:12 PM, adanac wrote: I hope that one day, the people of Iraq and other dominated nations will otherthrow the American Empire, and estblish peace and justice in this cruel world.

qué?

Reminds me of a character Chow Yun-Fat played in "A Better Tomorrow".

At 5/15/08 12:12 PM, adanac wrote:

Welcome to the Politics where I hope you'll enjoy a nice stay, now please leave long enough for our I.Q. to recover from reading your post.

At 5/10/08 02:14 AM, bcdemon wrote: And Grammar, what are the chances of you losing the "If you're not with us, you're against us" Bushology?

Are you talking to me? I didn't post in the thread at the time you posted that, so...

At 5/14/08 08:35 PM, Memorize wrote: emassing

What the hell is that?

There's no such verb as to "emass"....

it's just "mass", and he wasn't even "massing" anything. He was "founding" a branch in Iraq. Massing assumes there was a large branch already in Iraq but it was spread out and Zarqaui simply re-organized it.

The documents talking about this don't say anything of the sort, but say he had plans to create/found/ recruit/etc new branches in Iraq.

....then we invaded and made his job a whole lot easier.....

And yes, I am a grammar nazi and only came here to point that out. Abuse of the English language should be a crime.

At 5/15/08 03:18 PM, Imperator wrote:
And yes, I am a grammar nazi and only came here to point that out. Use of the English language should be a crime.

Fixed

At 5/15/08 09:22 PM, CommanderX1125 wrote:

At 5/15/08 03:18 PM, Imperator wrote:
And yes, I am a grammar nazi and only came here to point that out. Use of the English language should be a crime.

Fixed

Kai su teknon? I'd write in Greek but NG doesn't support the alphabet.....

Damn you and your superior language capabilities.... I'm pretty sure it isn't German, Welsh, Spanish, Finnish, Russian, Latin.... Seriously, I have no idea where to look. The only language courses I've had consisted of accursed Spanish in highschool, and soon German this next semester at the university, and hopefully the semester after that.

At 5/15/08 02:30 PM, Grammer wrote:

At 5/10/08 02:14 AM, bcdemon wrote: And Grammar, what are the chances of you losing the "If you're not with us, you're against us" Bushology?

Are you talking to me? I didn't post in the thread at the time you posted that, so...

At 5/10/08 02:51 PM, bcdemon wrote:

Damn, first off I want to apologize to Grammar, I called memorize Grammar, although they share some similar views, Grammar is no where as ignorant as memorize.

At 5/9/08 03:58 AM, WolvenBear wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_o n_re_mi_ea/iraq

BAGHDAD - Iraqi police commandos captured the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq in a raid in the northern city of Mosul, Iraqi officials said Thursday, in what could mark a significant blow to the Sunni insurgency in its last urban stronghold.

However, the U.S. military on Friday said there were "no operational reports" to confirm the capture of the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq as stated by Iraqi officials, adding the capture of another insurgent might have caused confusion.

ah u cant believe everything u hear cuz news trys to spice things up anyway osama if i spelled it correct is the leader anyway

At 5/16/08 12:07 AM, CommanderX1125 wrote: Damn you and your superior language capabilities.... I'm pretty sure it isn't German, Welsh, Spanish, Finnish, Russian, Latin.... Seriously, I have no idea where to look. The only language courses I've had consisted of accursed Spanish in highschool, and soon German this next semester at the university, and hopefully the semester after that.

You mean "Kai su teknon"?

You'll recognize it better if it said "Et tu Brute".
It's Greek, meaning "And you child?"

It's what Suetonius says Caesar is supposed to have said before he died (in reality he probably didn't say anything, 20+ stab wounds can wind you, to say the least).

There, your obscure ancient history fact o the day. My work here is done.

At 5/16/08 01:05 AM, Imperator wrote:

At 5/16/08 12:07 AM, CommanderX1125 wrote: Damn you and your superior language capabilities.... I'm pretty sure it isn't German, Welsh, Spanish, Finnish, Russian, Latin.... Seriously, I have no idea where to look. The only language courses I've had consisted of accursed Spanish in highschool, and soon German this next semester at the university, and hopefully the semester after that.

You mean "Kai su teknon"?

You'll recognize it better if it said "Et tu Brute".
It's Greek, meaning "And you child?"

It's what Suetonius says Caesar is supposed to have said before he died (in reality he probably didn't say anything, 20+ stab wounds can wind you, to say the least).

There, your obscure ancient history fact o the day. My work here is done.

I knew of how Caesar was killed by the Roman Senate, and that he probably uttered no such thing, I merely didn't recognize the language. I think a better fun filled fact would be for the origin of the word "Czar" in Russia, and the fact that it was in relation to Caesar that the word came to be. Unless of course I botched the word in question, in which case, I defer to your knowledge of the classics to correct me.

At 5/15/08 11:10 AM, bcdemon wrote: Do you have proof that there are no innocent Iraqis defending themselves against the US? Prove it or shut it.

Yes. No human being had ever defended themselves by blowing up innocent civilians.

That is all.

You are just like your lil sidekick memorize, you lie and put words in peoples mouths just so you can have something to argue.

You're a fucking imbecile.

At 5/15/08 03:18 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 5/14/08 08:35 PM, Memorize wrote: emassing

What the hell is that?

There's no such verb as to "emass"....

Amass: verb, to collect unto oneself

Simple typo. Grow up.

And yes, I am a grammar nazi and only came here to point that out. Abuse of the English language should be a crime.

You're also a fool, but we try not to point that out too regularly.

At 5/16/08 04:44 AM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 5/15/08 11:10 AM, bcdemon wrote: Do you have proof that there are no innocent Iraqis defending themselves against the US? Prove it or shut it.

Yes. No human being had ever defended themselves by blowing up innocent civilians.

ROTFLMAO, that is your proof?? I'll have to remember not to ask you such a difficult question next time.

You are just like your lil sidekick memorize, you lie and put words in peoples mouths just so you can have something to argue.

You're a fucking imbecile.

You don't even try to deny my claim? Proof positive right there.