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Kore018

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I did a search for this, but found nothing close to it. This idea popped into my mind while looking at several users who posted abusive reviews within a matter of minutes.

I don't know how everyone here will respond to this, but it may be a good thing.

Like I said before, I notice that people just create accounts to abuse the review system, sure the reviews are deleted and they are banned from making reviews. Maybe an alternative route would be to cut down the number of reviews you can publish. Not sure if there is a limit, but I have seen someone do forty reviews in an hour once.

Like someone can do ten reviews per day, or something along those lines. It doesn't also have to be for abusive reviews, but for reviews that are just plain... odd...

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I think it would be a better idea to make a a time limit like 1 review every 10 minutes or something around the sort.


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At 5/6/08 10:10 PM, Kore018 wrote: I did a search for this, but found nothing close to it. This idea popped into my mind while looking at several users who posted abusive reviews within a matter of minutes.

I don't know how everyone here will respond to this, but it may be a good thing.

Like I said before, I notice that people just create accounts to abuse the review system, sure the reviews are deleted and they are banned from making reviews. Maybe an alternative route would be to cut down the number of reviews you can publish. Not sure if there is a limit, but I have seen someone do forty reviews in an hour once.

Like someone can do ten reviews per day, or something along those lines. It doesn't also have to be for abusive reviews, but for reviews that are just plain... odd...

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The people who actually write average - good reviews heavily outweigh those who abuse it. The regular reviewers are doing a good job of keeping the system clean. It doesn't need to be changed, because that is just punishing everyone.


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At 5/6/08 10:10 PM, Kore018 wrote: Comments?

I don't like that. If I have free time sometime I can sit an entire day just reviewing hundreds of flashes, other days I don't feel like reviewing at all, so those limitations would really get in the way.


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But, if that were to happen, there would be a lot of flashes that would pass through portal with no feedback at all.

The point of the review system is really to help the authors, now our stats.

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At 5/7/08 06:51 AM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: But, if that were to happen, there would be a lot of flashes that would pass through portal with no feedback at all.

Actually, that used to be the case before the redesign. There was a time limit between the times you could write reviews. So if u wrote a review now, you would have to wait a while to write your next one. That was very helpful because it cut down the spam dramatically, and forced people to put effort into each review considering they couldn't randomn jump to the next review without pause.


The point of the review system is really to help the authors, now our stats.

Of course, so why not have time limits? If they really want to help the author, the break between reviews gives them time to write a review, edit it, proof read, add whatever they want. Some people quickly jump reviews and put hardly any effort. Not to say the break will force them to, but at least will definetly stop people from doing the following:

9:55
Review 1, Review 2, Review 3, Review4, Review 5, Review 6, Review 7
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Review 8, Review 9, Review 10
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Review 11, Review 12, Review 13, Review 14, Review 15

Instead it would be, I'm guessing it was 7-10 minute break before redesign, never knew.
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At 5/7/08 09:58 AM, kidray76 wrote:
The point of the review system is really to help the authors, now our stats.
Of course, so why not have time limits? If they really want to help the author, the break between reviews gives them time to write a review, edit it, proof read, add whatever they want.

I really like this idea actually. Even though it doesn't really matter to me since I can't leave reviews anymore.


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At 5/7/08 09:58 AM, kidray76 wrote: Actually, that used to be the case before the redesign.

Actually, I remember that. If you tried to review too quickly after you'd just left one, a little window would pop up telling you to put more thought into your reviews. I'd forgotten about that until you just mentioned it, but I find it odd that the staff would lift that restriction. Seemed like a good idea to me.

Maybe it's on the 'pending' list of tasks that the programmers still have to complete?

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At 5/7/08 10:26 AM, NEVR wrote:
At 5/7/08 09:58 AM, kidray76 wrote: Actually, that used to be the case before the redesign.
Actually, I remember that. If you tried to review too quickly after you'd just left one, a little window would pop up telling you to put more thought into your reviews. I'd forgotten about that until you just mentioned it, but I find it odd that the staff would lift that restriction. Seemed like a good idea to me.

Alot of changes since the redesign, some they predicted, some they didn't. I can understand how they feel. I did a basic system for my senior project class, and upon implementation, ran into several problems which I didn't even think of.


Maybe it's on the 'pending' list of tasks that the programmers still have to complete?

Maybe, IDK. As you can see by the news posts, other things are definetly more important.

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It should realistically be a 7-10 minute break in between reviews anyway. I find that when I'm writing reviews - even short ones - it will sometimes take me up to 20-25 minutes if I wanted to get two reviews in. Purely because you have to sit down, watch the entire movie (title screen to credits) and then write a sensible review on it. That's just my method.

Either way I figure if you're going to review, then you still have to watch an entire movie. The crappier the flash is, the more you have to say to the author.

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At 5/7/08 09:58 AM, kidray76 wrote:
At 5/7/08 06:51 AM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:
Good ideas.

I think this would work very well. Usually when I write a review, it takes me about 20 minutes to write a nice review that is helpful to the author. It could work like the "you're posting too fast" box here on the forums. But I don't remember that box from the reviews, never got one before.

And this thread makes my idea even more necessary: another ideas thread.

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At 5/7/08 09:58 AM, kidray76 wrote: Actually, that used to be the case before the redesign. There was a time limit between the times you could write reviews. So if u wrote a review now, you would have to wait a while to write your next one. That was very helpful because it cut down the spam dramatically, and forced people to put effort into each review considering they couldn't randomn jump to the next review without pause.

Yep. I believe the review delay was approximately 3.5 minutes, give or take 15 seconds.

Of course, so why not have time limits? If they really want to help the author, the break between reviews gives them time to write a review, edit it, proof read, add whatever they want. Some people quickly jump reviews and put hardly any effort. Not to say the break will force them to, but at least will definetly stop people from doing the following:

9:55
Review 1, Review 2, Review 3, Review4, Review 5, Review 6, Review 7
9:56
Review 8, Review 9, Review 10
9:57
Review 11, Review 12, Review 13, Review 14, Review 15

What if the person posting 15 reviews is 3 minutes actually spent 3 hours watching all 15 movies and typing up the reviews in notepad, and is just posting them all at once?

I've considered using that method before, though I never have. That is how I make multi-quote replies on the BBS, after all.

At 5/7/08 10:26 AM, NEVR wrote: Actually, I remember that. If you tried to review too quickly after you'd just left one, a little window would pop up telling you to put more thought into your reviews. I'd forgotten about that until you just mentioned it, but I find it odd that the staff would lift that restriction. Seemed like a good idea to me.

Maybe it's on the 'pending' list of tasks that the programmers still have to complete?

Before the redesign the vote panel wouldn't come up without at least clicking to play a game or watch a flash movie. I think there was a time limit that started counting AFTER the pop-up loaded. Nowadays, there's still a timelimit, but it's only from when the moviepage first loads. Meaning now the vote panel loads after a time even if you haven't clicked watch/play yet.

I think that's a consequence of both the direct link and the pop-up link and the admins not knowing a javacript solution that would work on the vote panel in BOTH cases the same way.

There may be something similar at work with why the review limitation is gone now, too.

I didn't even know it was, BTW. My reviews usually take 15 minutes, minimum, between them, usually more like 20-30 minutes, so I wouldn't know. #;-}>

At 5/7/08 12:57 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: It should realistically be a 7-10 minute break in between reviews anyway. I find that when I'm writing reviews - even short ones - it will sometimes take me up to 20-25 minutes if I wanted to get two reviews in. Purely because you have to sit down, watch the entire movie (title screen to credits) and then write a sensible review on it. That's just my method.

What about movies that are literally 20-30 seconds?

And I'm not talking about shit spamflash. There are some good movies in NG history that are very brief on purpose.

We shouldn't be forced to wait 25 minutes to review those, so...

You see the problem with review timelimits. They have to be "one size fits all," and that's why 3.5 minutes was the limit pre-redesign. It was a good low amount that didn't impact most legit reviewers, and just stopped spammers and link spammers from doing their work with one account, made them create multiple accounts and go through a bit pain in the ass to do it.

Either way I figure if you're going to review, then you still have to watch an entire movie. The crappier the flash is, the more you have to say to the author.

I know that's how most people operate, but the crappier the flash is, the less likely I am to review it, and the better the flash is, the more *I* have to say to the author, actually.

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At 5/7/08 09:58 AM, kidray76 wrote:
The point of the review system is really to help the authors, now our stats.

Hear Hear!

Of course, so why not have time limits? If they really want to help the author, the break between reviews gives them time to write a review, edit it, proof read, add whatever they want. Some people quickly jump reviews and put hardly any effort. Not to say the break will force them to, but at least will definetly stop people from doing the following:

How about the rule that is like the BBS - No more than 4 Reviews (Posts) in any 30-minute period. Granted, it would be more difficult for people like Cyberdevil, but with a few tweaks, it could work properly. Cyberdevil is one of the reviewers who can write half decent reviews quickly, but it still pales in comparison to the spammers, who are the ones that this sort of rule would be actioned to stop.

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At 5/6/08 11:07 PM, TJ wrote: The people who actually write average - good reviews heavily outweigh those who abuse it.

That's where you are wrong. Whenever I see a review it's mostly not even 2 sentences long. Mostly it's something along the lines of "cool", "gay", "Liked it", "that was horrible", "NARUTO IS COOL".

There are a lot more of these than good reviews.

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At 5/8/08 10:37 PM, gfoxcook wrote:
At 5/7/08 09:58 AM, kidray76 wrote:
What if the person posting 15 reviews is 3 minutes actually spent 3 hours watching all 15 movies and typing up the reviews in notepad, and is just posting them all at once?

I'd be very hard press that someone would take that method. Besides, it's easy to tell when someone has actually viewed a flash and left a review, rather than someone who hasn't or just looked over other people's review and made a generic review.


I've considered using that method before, though I never have. That is how I make multi-quote replies on the BBS, after all.

Err, you can't review 20 different entries in one review (well, you can, but against the rules), but you can quote 20 people in one post, which is encourage.

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At 5/9/08 10:42 AM, kidray76 wrote:
At 5/8/08 10:37 PM, gfoxcook wrote:
At 5/7/08 09:58 AM, kidray76 wrote:
What if the person posting 15 reviews is 3 minutes actually spent 3 hours watching all 15 movies and typing up the reviews in notepad, and is just posting them all at once?
I'd be very hard press that someone would take that method.

Agreed. On the off chance that someone does use that method, they can simply write them all up and wait between posting. If the user is dedicated enought to spend three hours watching movies, I think they are willing to wait a little bit between reviews to increase the quality of NGs.

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At 5/9/08 10:42 AM, kidray76 wrote:
At 5/8/08 10:37 PM, gfoxcook wrote:
At 5/7/08 09:58 AM, kidray76 wrote:
What if the person posting 15 reviews is 3 minutes actually spent 3 hours watching all 15 movies and typing up the reviews in notepad, and is just posting them all at once?
I'd be very hard press that someone would take that method. Besides, it's easy to tell when someone has actually viewed a flash and left a review, rather than someone who hasn't or just looked over other people's review and made a generic review.

Yes, but what does being able to tell the difference between good reviews and bad reviews have to do with automated systems that restrict reviewing based on only time elapsed, nothing to do with size of review or any other method?

I've considered using that method before, though I never have. That is how I make multi-quote replies on the BBS, after all.
Err, you can't review 20 different entries in one review (well, you can, but against the rules), but you can quote 20 people in one post, which is encourage.

If I haven't posted in LUL in weeks, I will copy about 20-40 quotes in one notepad window, then reply to all of them, and then I will have to paste them into MORE than one post.

Not a single post.

So my point was of course not to review different movies within one review, but to type up several reviews in a notepad window, then post them into separate flashes' reviewspaces, of course.

At 5/9/08 11:57 AM, zimzap wrote: Agreed. On the off chance that someone does use that method, they can simply write them all up and wait between posting. If the user is dedicated enought to spend three hours watching movies, I think they are willing to wait a little bit between reviews to increase the quality of NGs.

Sure, for the old 3.5 minute limit.

But for 25 minutes? That's a bit long to wait.

I think you both are overlooking the fact that I was just saying the 20-25 minute limit that someone suggested is way too long, I've got no problem with the old 3.5 minute limit we had until 7/17/2007, or even a solid 5-10 minute limit.

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