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we can use corn as fuel, but we have to find an another big source of food, like potatoes. Potatoes are easy to grow, low matience, and they grow underground. EVEYONE WINS :D

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At 5/7/08 12:45 PM, mariomaster123 wrote: we can use corn as fuel, but we have to find an another big source of food, like potatoes. Potatoes are easy to grow, low matience, and they grow underground. EVEYONE WINS :D

The production of ethanol from corn is very inefficient.

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At 5/7/08 12:45 PM, mariomaster123 wrote: we can use corn as fuel, but we have to find an another big source of food, like potatoes. Potatoes are easy to grow, low matience, and they grow underground. EVEYONE WINS :D

I'd propose soya beans. Right now they mostly waste it on cows and pigs so that 80% of it's energy is lost. However, soya has full worth protein (is it called that in english too? the same kind that some meat has), and a lot of good vitamins. But yeah, potatoes are also good.

If people just ate less (or even stopped eating) meat, we would solve a lot of problems. Especially cow and pig. But the fish and bird isn't feeling very well either these days.

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At 5/7/08 03:09 PM, Prinzy2 wrote:

At 5/7/08 12:45 PM, mariomaster123 wrote: we can use corn as fuel, but we have to find an another big source of food, like potatoes. Potatoes are easy to grow, low matience, and they grow underground. EVEYONE WINS :D

The production of ethanol from corn is very inefficient.

Eh, true...but I think that science will advance quickly, well, LETS PRAY IT DOES! :S

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Since this has got about agricultural farming a wee bit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7389 678.stm

I thought this was a good article

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Well, I've recently found out that there's some biodiesel available for sale here in Finland. A Finnish fuel company called Neste Oil sells a particular type of diesel, of which at least 10% is biodiesel made from palm oil. Local Greenpeace activists have protested against it, stating that the use of palm oil destroys rainforests, accelerates climate change and increases food prices.

Here's a Finnish link: http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/ymparisto/oike a/id90017.html

That guy who the police are escorting is dressed up as an orangutan to remind us of the endangered orangutans living in the rainforests of Borneo, whose habitat is being cleared to make room for palm oil plantations.

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People starve all the time, whats so new about this.

This is great business for the midwest and southwest United States. There bringing in great revenue for this food.

The market is dictating where the food is going and it's currently more profitable for farmers to turn it into biodiseal then it is to simply sell it as food.

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At 5/6/08 09:32 PM, SirBackBoobs wrote:

You know, you're the kind of atheist that fundies quote when trying to prove that all atheists are pricks and morally incompetent.

More of a Nihilist than an atheist.

Morally incompetent? How so? I don't cause any crime or violence.

Lacking morals.

As in, your morals only exist because if you didn't have them, bad things would happen to you.

The world frowns on that sort of thing, and your not helping the reputation of us athiests/agnostics (face it, almost all christians lump "non-belivers" into one category, so it doesn't really matter if your a nihilist, just that you don't believe in god.)

I find Nihilists more logically appealing than Atheists. What you are basically doing is ADMITTING that atheists that you think have controversial ideas are bad because they reduce the chance of an appealing atheist conversion.

If Atheists try and use fundies as an excuse to remove religions world wide, there cannot be a fair double standard; ever.

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At 5/7/08 06:20 AM, HogWashSoup wrote: now if you want to help the starving masses, give them a bunch of your own food.

not doing so makes you a hypocrit

How so? Unless you preach about helping others, being too damn lazy to spend time and money to help people you won't even see is not hypocritical. Not to mention you won't get anything in return for your efforts.

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At 5/8/08 08:24 PM, hippl5 wrote: Not to mention you won't get anything in return for your efforts.

Not getting anything in return for your efforts. Yeah, that thinking is probebly why those countries are starving. well not the whole reason. Big reason being droubt and low crops. But still, only doing things to get something in return is pretty greedy. I mean you always get something in return. Helping others can make you feel better about yourself. But then some people want something more, how you say, valuable like money.

I give money and food out to charities every year, and i dont expect anything in return. Reason being is because I know there are people who need food more then i do. Me, i know ill have food in the next, oh, ten years. there are people who dont even know they will have food the next day. If you think bout it, we have a lot already. Food, safty, shelter, freedom(even if it looks not so free right now, in comparison, its pretty god damn free)

Wanting something in return is like you have 40 apples, you give an apple to a kid who is very hungery, then you want a banana in return. you have 39 apples left, you gave up very little to a person who sees it as a lot.

What harm will it do you to give and not expect anything in return? Especially if you have a lot of things already.

To refuse to help someone in need because you wont get anything in return while you need very little, thats just greedy and selfish and, just plain idiotic. And actions like that, well, all i hae to say is that karma is a bitch.

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At 5/9/08 02:48 AM, penis-plant wrote: Not getting anything in return for your efforts. Yeah, that thinking is probebly why those countries are starving. well not the whole reason. Big reason being droubt and low crops.

Why blame the lazy and uncaring at all? It's not my fault they live in a shit-hole and I had nothing to do with it. Sure, we could diminish the starvation, but we're not the cause.

But still, only doing things to get something in return is pretty greedy.

Agreed, but I don't find it to be bad.

I mean you always get something in return.

Not in material possessions or gain in power I don't.

Helping others can make you feel better about yourself.

Doesn't make everyone feel better about themselves.

But then some people want something more, how you say, valuable like money.

I give money and food out to charities every year, and i dont expect anything in return. Reason being is because I know there are people who need food more then i do.

So you're using those people to feel better about yourself by giving them food. You don't actually see the people who are getting the food. I doubt they even care about you. If you were to interview one of them, they would say "I'm very grateful", but deep down, they just don't give a shit and only care for the food.

What happened to survival of the fittest? They're poor, live in shit, and have no food. Let them die. Why bother keeping them alive? They'll accomplish nothing in their worthless lives and die anyway. The money spent keeping those dead weights alive can be used elsewhere.

Me, i know ill have food in the next, oh, ten years. there are people who dont even know they will have food the next day. If you think bout it, we have a lot already. Food, safty, shelter, freedom(even if it looks not so free right now, in comparison, its pretty god damn free)

Yes, "we" have a lot. "they" don't. Let's keep it that way, or make them earn it.

Wanting something in return is like you have 40 apples, you give an apple to a kid who is very hungery, then you want a banana in return. you have 39 apples left, you gave up very little to a person who sees it as a lot.

I don't care what the apple is to the kid. Unless he can do some chores or wash my car, the little shit can starve.

What harm will it do you to give and not expect anything in return? Especially if you have a lot of things already.

Wasting time. I don't feel like getting off my ass to help others. Even if you do have a good amount of wealth, you'll always need more unless you're a billionaire who is set for life, up to the point where you can spend spend and spend, and never have to work for a single day of your life.

To refuse to help someone in need because you wont get anything in return while you need very little, thats just greedy and selfish and, just plain idiotic.

Greedy and selfish yes, idiotic no. How is it idiotic? The person you're helping is weaker, let them die off. More to yourself.

And actions like that, well, all i hae to say is that karma is a bitch.

No such thing as karma.

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All this talk about turning corn into ethanol for fuel being evil because people are starving, and not once did anyone say a damn thing about us taking perfectly good crops and using them to make nutritionally deficient liquors and beer with while people are starving.

Now ain't that something?

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At 5/9/08 06:16 PM, Proteas wrote: not once did anyone say a damn thing about us taking perfectly good crops and using them to make nutritionally deficient liquors and beer with while people are starving.

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That's because ,Liquor & BEER (especially delicious, tastey ,wonderful, fabulous, BEER !) is way more important than someone I don't know, have never met & really don't give a shit about.
Is this opinion callous, cruel, possibly wrong... I don't know . I definately don't care, as long as I've got some cold beer, everything is ok in 'My World'.

And isn't your world what really matters the most to you?

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whatever happened to diesel? it pollutes less and is still cheaper than gas (and all those other things).

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At 5/9/08 02:23 PM, hippl5 wrote: Why blame the lazy and uncaring at all? It's not my fault they live in a shit-hole and I had nothing to do with it. Sure, we could diminish the starvation, but we're not the cause.

I dont blame anyone. Blaming waist time that could be helping. No, its no one's fault and you didnt hav anything to do with the problem. But just because you were not the cause doesnt mean you dont have to help. That thinking only leads into a "i wont fix if i didnt break it."

Agreed, but I don't find it to be bad.

then i feel sorry for you. i trully do. greed doest always lead to bad things. some become rich by it. But in the prosses, it harms others. For someone that only cares for themselves, greed has no bad side, unless it gets them into trouble.

Not in material possessions or gain in power I don't.

So if you are on the side of a road, broken down, and someone comes over, and says they will help you, but only if you payed him $1000, how would that make you feel. Then lets say same situation, but this time the person that comes over to help says he wants nothing in return. How would that make you feel?

Doesn't make everyone feel better about themselves.

that is true. To me it does. I dont excpet it to make everyone feel better about themselves.

So you're using those people to feel better about yourself by giving them food. You don't actually see the people who are getting the food. I doubt they even care about you. If you were to interview one of them, they would say "I'm very grateful", but deep down, they just don't give a shit and only care for the food.

I dont do it to be known, or to be praised by those who i help. There are many heroes out there that no body knows who they are, and yet they still do it. Because what they did is all that matters to them,regaurdless if they get the credit or not.

There is an old story of a young child who came out into the beach, and for miles there were starfish beached on the sand from the storm that had just passed. The child franticlly throwing the starfish back into the ocean.
A man came up the the child and ask "why are you doing this, you know you cant save them all"
The child said to him "i know, but to that one, it means the world"

This means that each one you save or help, you are giving them so much. As well the starfish didnt know and will never know who helped them, but the fact was, the ones that were thrown back in had their lives saved.

A true hero doesnt do what they do to be famous or to be praised. A true hero does what they do to help others.

What happened to survival of the fittest? They're poor, live in shit, and have no food. Let them die. Why bother keeping them alive? They'll accomplish nothing in their worthless lives and die anyway. The money spent keeping those dead weights alive can be used elsewhere.

And what if you were one of those people. You would be be so happy to be helped. You would begging for help. And if i saw you on the streets, even after knowing you said all this, I would still help you. Why, because we need to look after eachother in this world.

But survival of the fittest is a theory to explain evolution, not mankind. If we let them die because they are poor, because they cant do anything, if its all about the fittest, then who will help us if we get on the bad end. Not saying we will, but hypothetically, who will in those terms. If you are trully a believer in this, then you would probebly accept your dimise and know you are not fit to survive.

But i can be that if you were in the bad end of the situation, you will be looking for help and not giving up at all.

Though we dont live in that kind of way, so most will ignor it and say "i have it good, who cares about those who dont."

Yes, "we" have a lot. "they" don't. Let's keep it that way, or make them earn it.

No, we have a lot, they dont, so lets give some of what we have to them. There are people that are doing that already. Giving some of what they have to help others in need without them needing to earn it.

As well, you yourself didnt earn your food, your cloths, your house. You were given it to you by your parents. under that idealoligy, does that mean we can take those away from you and have you earn them? Does it mean that all people have to earn every last thing, and not be given?

I don't care what the apple is to the kid. Unless he can do some chores or wash my car, the little shit can starve.

So then can we then say that you need to earn your food every day? "You need to clean the house or you wont get food today"
I mean, you say they need to earn it, so why not have you also earn your own meals. You get your meals handed to you without earning them. Whats to say we changed that? Can we, under your "rule" that we all need to earn to gain? You will be surprised on how much we get in life that we dont earn.

Wasting time. I don't feel like getting off my ass to help others. Even if you do have a good amount of wealth, you'll always need more unless you're a billionaire who is set for life, up to the point where you can spend spend and spend, and never have to work for a single day of your life.

If you limit yourself to buying fewer wants and stick with just the needs, then you will have a lot of money left over which could be used to help another person, and even still, you dont have to give all of it. A little is better then nothing

Greedy and selfish yes, idiotic no. How is it idiotic? The person you're helping is weaker, let them die off. More to yourself.

What if you are the weaker one. Shall we let you die off? Shall we give food to others and ignor you and watchyou starve to death? Can I take away your food and kick you down and eat it all and let you starve? Under your sayings, i can. If i can kick you down, you are the weaker one and i am allowed to let you die. Do onto others as you want done onto yourself. So if you want the weaker to die out, then it is ok to say to let you die if you become weaker or have a stronger person over power you, and there is always someone stronger then you. Physically or metally.

No such thing as karma.

Just saying, what comes around goes around.

But, there are always people like you. People who are self centered and want to help no one but themselves, and will only help others if they get something in return.

And then there are people like me. Those who help others even for nothing.
So you can sit on your ass all day if you wish, because there are many many more like me who are making a difference out there and dont care if we get known. What keeps us going is knowing another person who didnt have something yesterday has something today.

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At 5/9/08 02:23 PM, hippl5 wrote: Why blame the lazy and uncaring at all? It's not my fault they live in a shit-hole and I had nothing to do with it. Sure, we could diminish the starvation, but we're not the cause.

Nope, we are not. We need to cover our own asses first, and only.

Agreed, but I don't find it to be bad.

greed is the fule of the world

Not in material possessions or gain in power I don't.

to get you must give. we are a capatalis world, nothing is free

Doesn't make everyone feel better about themselves.

anyone that does feel better by helping and not get anything back are worthless pieces of shit and ill be glad to see them dead.

So you're using those people to feel better about yourself by giving them food. You don't actually see the people who are getting the food. I doubt they even care about you. If you were to interview one of them, they would say "I'm very grateful", but deep down, they just don't give a shit and only care for the food.

helping those in need is pointless. Thy really dont care about you. they see food. you are a provider then, and they dont see a person. Why give somethign if you are not going to be given praise.

What happened to survival of the fittest? They're poor, live in shit, and have no food. Let them die. Why bother keeping them alive? They'll accomplish nothing in their worthless lives and die anyway. The money spent keeping those dead weights alive can be used elsewhere.

Agreed too, but i say we dont just let them die, i say we start killing them. The homeless and the poor are a good start. Ive always wanted to kill someone.

Yes, "we" have a lot. "they" don't. Let's keep it that way, or make them earn it.

No, lets make them earn it, but never give it to them.

I don't care what the apple is to the kid. Unless he can do some chores or wash my car, the little shit can starve.

Yes. do my chorse too or wash my car. and when the time comes to give him his apple, you eat it in front of him and tell him he is an idiot. then thats when you shoot him.

Wasting time. I don't feel like getting off my ass to help others. Even if you do have a good amount of wealth, you'll always need more unless you're a billionaire who is set for life, up to the point where you can spend spend and spend, and never have to work for a single day of your life.

I can ether help a stupid person with no shoes, or i can get an hdtv. i chose hdtv so i can watch those starve in high deff

Greedy and selfish yes, idiotic no. How is it idiotic? The person you're helping is weaker, let them die off. More to yourself.

It is idiotic to help others.

No such thing as karma.

nope. and to believe in it means you need to die.

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At 5/13/08 05:21 AM, HogWashSoup wrote: stuff

I see you're living up to your name.

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Click my sig for an avid solution.

If you disagree you're a fool.

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You know there's going to be some anti-corn bug that will eat all of our corn and then we have nothing, that's what happens when you plant one thing for way too long.

Now we should plant food and use it as food, and find real soulations to the problem of fuel.