IE6 Blues.

[atomic-noodle]

As a web designer, I find it really annoying when i finish a layout that looks great in everything EXCEPT IE6. It makes me want to rip my hair out. Also, I'm beginning to think that my efforts are in vein because I dont know anyone that still uses IE6. Even at my school, Firefox has been installed on every computer. So my question is: Is ie6 worth the trouble?

[wreckages]

sadly, yes. it's widely used.

[Luis]

right now it is... i still use it myself.

You can use the underscore hack to cater your designs to accomidate ie6. Its a pain in the ass but something you have to live with for now.

[Anim8or666]

Gee, you must have an awesome school. My school computer administrators are a bunch of stuck-up retards, who insist on using Windows 2000 and IE 5. I tried to install Firefox on the computers once, and those assholes nearly suspended me. But yes, IE 6 is used by many, many retards (and people who don't know how to install other, better, browsers).

[atomic-noodle]

At 5/5/08 10:44 PM, Anim8or666 wrote: Gee, you must have an awesome school. My school computer administrators are a bunch of stuck-up retards, who insist on using Windows 2000 and IE 5. I tried to install Firefox on the computers once, and those assholes nearly suspended me. But yes, IE 6 is used by many, many retards (and people who don't know how to install other, better, browsers).

Yeah, my school is pretty awesome. But does IE6 still come standard on new PC's?

[blindnil]

fuck ie 6

[OneWhoListens]

Officially, at the first quarter of 2008, 75.19% of web users use internet explorer.

[GuyWithHisComp]

At 5/6/08 01:14 AM, OneWhoListens wrote: Officially, at the first quarter of 2008, 75.19% of web users use internet explorer.

There's a big difference between IE6 and IE7 though. IE7 renders most pages ok.

When I design I always have my site open in both Firefox/Opera and IE, to get it all right from the beginning.

Also, here is some browser statistics from w3schools.

[smulse]

Worldwide stats aren't really that helpful, you need to check your own logs and see what people are viewing with. But if you're doing web dev/des (which i know you do) then you still need to cater for IE6.

At 5/5/08 08:57 PM, Luis wrote: You can use the underscore hack to cater your designs to accomidate ie6.

Invalid code ftl.

[BoneIdol]

At 5/6/08 09:07 AM, smulse wrote:

At 5/5/08 08:57 PM, Luis wrote: You can use the underscore hack to cater your designs to accomidate ie6.

Invalid code ftl.

From what I understand it is TECHNICALLY valid CSS, depending on how you look at it. CSS parsers are supposed to ignore any properties that they don't understand with mimimum fuss. (So as to give room for expansion)

It is still not part of the CSS spec and relies on a parser bug. So it is very bad practice. If in doubt go with IE Conditionals.

Having said that, the star html and underscore hacks have saved my arse on more than once though. Inheriting buggy, IE6-only websites FTL.

[Rob]

Easy, valid IE6 targeting

[Cojones893]

I work at a web design company and IE6 has the most problems. Neither IE6 or IE7 adhere to web standards neither can pass the acid3 test. IE8 is already in beta so get ready for even more trouble.

[ZiggyZack99]

At 5/6/08 12:46 AM, atomic-noodle wrote:

At 5/5/08 10:44 PM, Anim8or666 wrote: Gee, you must have an awesome school. My school computer administrators are a bunch of stuck-up retards, who insist on using Windows 2000 and IE 5. I tried to install Firefox on the computers once, and those assholes nearly suspended me. But yes, IE 6 is used by many, many retards (and people who don't know how to install other, better, browsers).

Yeah, my school is pretty awesome. But does IE6 still come standard on new PC's?

No, new PCs have slow-as-shit-on-a-snail IE7. And with IE8 in beta, well........... don't bother. Delete windows, use Linux.

[ZiggyZack99]

At 5/5/08 08:57 PM, Luis wrote: right now it is... i still use it myself.

You can use the underscore hack to cater your designs to accomidate ie6. Its a pain in the ass but something you have to live with for now.

Why use IE when you can have FireFox?

[Anim8or666]

At 5/6/08 09:26 PM, ZiggyZack99 wrote:

At 5/5/08 08:57 PM, Luis wrote: right now it is... i still use it myself.

You can use the underscore hack to cater your designs to accomidate ie6. Its a pain in the ass but something you have to live with for now.

Why use IE when you can have FireFox?

Let me explain. You ignore IE 6, and you lose at least 1/2 of your visitors. Also, Firefox is the better browser, but there are still idiots who don't know how to download and install it. IE 7 comes with VIsta, not with XP. XP comes default with IE 6. I dunno about XP SP3, though.

[Captcovert]

At 5/6/08 12:45 PM, Cojones893 wrote: I work at a web design company and IE6 has the most problems. Neither IE6 or IE7 adhere to web standards neither can pass the acid3 test. IE8 is already in beta so get ready for even more trouble.

Also remember that IE 7 for XP and IE 7 for Vista will render some pages differently. Let's all spend some of those 'compatibility testing' hours!

[BoneIdol]

At 5/9/08 02:36 AM, Captcovert wrote: Also remember that IE 7 for XP and IE 7 for Vista will render some pages differently. Let's all spend some of those 'compatibility testing' hours!

Wow. Must be nice having a job without deadlines.

[everyoneloves345]

fuck IE 6, A lot of problems with it too when designing a website.

lucky IE 8 is coming soon, beta looks good, and yes I also use Safari and Firefox.

[Jessii]

At 5/9/08 12:06 PM, everyoneloves345 wrote: fuck IE 6, A lot of problems with it too when designing a website.

People with old computers can't support anything but IE 6 or lower on their computers. They may be able to support Firefox but I doubt their computer could handle it.

lucky IE 8 is coming soon, beta looks good, and yes I also use Safari and Firefox.

I hear bad things about IE 8.

[Anim8or666]

At 5/9/08 05:10 PM, Jessii wrote: I hear bad things about IE 8.

Just the "IE" part of it gives me nightmares...

[elbekko]

IE8 is as unstable as a donkey on a unicycle.

[Kuso416]

From a users point of view, I use firefox.
From a web designer's point of view, safari is a god-send.

[Anim8or666]

At 5/9/08 06:54 PM, Kuso416 wrote: From a users point of view, I use firefox.
From a web designer's point of view, safari is a god-send.

Firefox is good for regular usage, but with the web designer plugin, it becomes a pretty useful tool. Safari 3.0 is also good, because it even supports most CSS 3.0...

[wreckages]

At 5/9/08 06:54 PM, Kuso416 wrote: From a web designer's point of view, safari is a god-send.

why is it? i'm geniunely curious, not trying to be all 'sarcastic remark to prove you wrong hurr' type, actually curious

[everyoneloves345]

At 5/9/08 05:32 PM, Anim8or666 wrote:

At 5/9/08 05:10 PM, Jessii wrote: I hear bad things about IE 8.

Just the "IE" part of it gives me nightmares...

haha :P I didn't have much problems with IE 8, It only has lots of functions you maybe would never use.