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At 4/26/08 02:25 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:17 PM, Sekhem wrote: stuff

No. You obviously dont know what you're talking about.

Care to explain why my answer is complete bullshit, because I see nothing wrong with it and you haven't given me anything wrong to see in it?

You all are going for too deep explanations. Pain exists as a survival mechanism, and that's all you need to explain it. A person who doesn't feel any pain from getting stabbed in the face, is not going to learn to avoid those situations and end up dead very soon.

hmmm actually pain hurts to were you cry in misery not happines
this thread is down the crap hole

At 4/26/08 02:32 PM, AapoJoki wrote: You all are going for too deep explanations. Pain exists as a survival mechanism, and that's all you need to explain it. A person who doesn't feel any pain from getting stabbed in the face, is not going to learn to avoid those situations and end up dead very soon.

I'm mostly talking about emotional pain.

Also to the lot of you saying I can't use that against God, I'm arguing for him.

I would read all that you typed but it's too long and my brain stops functioning on the weekends.

At 4/26/08 02:32 PM, FallenMarine wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:25 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:17 PM, Sekhem wrote: stuff

No. You obviously dont know what you're talking about.

Care to explain why my answer is complete bullshit, because I see nothing wrong with it and you haven't given me anything wrong to see in it?

If you cant see whats wrong with it you should learn more about the subject.

At 4/26/08 02:43 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:32 PM, FallenMarine wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:25 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:17 PM, Sekhem wrote: stuff

No. You obviously dont know what you're talking about.

Care to explain why my answer is complete bullshit, because I see nothing wrong with it and you haven't given me anything wrong to see in it?

If you cant see whats wrong with it you should learn more about the subject.

Well, I think you've got nothing, and just tries to defend your religion. Please, convince me I'm wrong, and I'll learn from it. Please do!

At 4/26/08 02:50 PM, FallenMarine wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:43 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:32 PM, FallenMarine wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:25 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:17 PM, Sekhem wrote: stuff

No. You obviously dont know what you're talking about.

Care to explain why my answer is complete bullshit, because I see nothing wrong with it and you haven't given me anything wrong to see in it?

If you cant see whats wrong with it you should learn more about the subject.

Well, I think you've got nothing, and just tries to defend your religion. Please, convince me I'm wrong, and I'll learn from it. Please do!

The joy of learning is greater when you figure it out by yourself.

I am not part of the said religion but I do appreciate knowledge. I have studiet christianity and other religions to see their point of view. To know what they believe in and why.

You should start by reading the bible.

At 4/26/08 02:35 PM, andhination wrote: I'm mostly talking about emotional pain.

Emotional pain is no different. It guides us away from things that tend to be harmful to us. A mother protects her children because losing them would cause her emotional pain. The only reason this pain exists is because that woman needs to pass on her gene pool.

At 4/26/08 03:02 PM, AapoJoki wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:35 PM, andhination wrote: I'm mostly talking about emotional pain.

Emotional pain is no different. It guides us away from things that tend to be harmful to us. A mother protects her children because losing them would cause her emotional pain. The only reason this pain exists is because that woman needs to pass on her gene pool.

I didn't disagree with that. All I'm doing is explaining why the bad things are there in the first place, for us to learn pain and avoid it.

At 4/26/08 02:31 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:26 PM, ngmastah wrote:

At 4/26/08 01:46 PM, flamingrifle wrote: I'm catholic. God DOES exist.

No, fuck off, you cannot state something like that, it is YOUR opinion, not a fact.

"The sun exists." NO YOO CANT SAY THAT ITS ONLY YOOR OPINION!!!!!!!111!1!

Can we actually prove anything exists. No. Therefore everything exists only in our opinion.

Well first, off, we don't have physical proof God exists, he just comes out and presumes he's right, and you can't use the sun as an example, because it does, in fact, physically exist.

At 4/26/08 01:46 PM, flamingrifle wrote: I'm catholic. God DOES exist.

Moar proof.

Who said god exists? Anyways, the religion doesn't add up, and it's rather hard for me to believe any of that.

At 4/26/08 04:32 PM, ngmastah wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:31 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:26 PM, ngmastah wrote:

At 4/26/08 01:46 PM, flamingrifle wrote: I'm catholic. God DOES exist.

No, fuck off, you cannot state something like that, it is YOUR opinion, not a fact.

"The sun exists." NO YOO CANT SAY THAT ITS ONLY YOOR OPINION!!!!!!!111!1!

Can we actually prove anything exists. No. Therefore everything exists only in our opinion.

Well first, off, we don't have physical proof God exists, he just comes out and presumes he's right, and you can't use the sun as an example, because it does, in fact, physically exist.

Prove that the sun exists. I dare you.

How can you be sure we dont live in an illusion. Can you prove we dont live in an ilusion. That all that we see and feel is true, the only truth. No.

well if there is pain our creator must have wanted to test us see whose the strongest and reward the strongest

At 4/26/08 04:40 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 04:32 PM, ngmastah wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:31 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:26 PM, ngmastah wrote:

At 4/26/08 01:46 PM, flamingrifle wrote:

Prove that the sun exists. I dare you.

How can you be sure we dont live in an illusion. Can you prove we dont live in an ilusion. That all that we see and feel is true, the only truth. No.

Prove that we are living in an illusion, and also, first off you're saying that everything exists, now your saying all of it doesn't? Make up your fucking mind man.

MAYBE BECAUSE WE WOULDNT FEEL THAT OUR EYES GET STABBED OUT LOL

At 4/26/08 04:44 PM, ngmastah wrote:

At 4/26/08 04:40 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 04:32 PM, ngmastah wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:31 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

At 4/26/08 02:26 PM, ngmastah wrote:

At 4/26/08 01:46 PM, flamingrifle wrote:

Prove that the sun exists. I dare you.

How can you be sure we dont live in an illusion. Can you prove we dont live in an ilusion. That all that we see and feel is true, the only truth. No.

Prove that we are living in an illusion, and also, first off you're saying that everything exists, now your saying all of it doesn't? Make up your fucking mind man.

You're a bit stupid arent you. The poin = You cant prove anything exists so an object only exists in ones opinion.

At 4/26/08 03:07 PM, andhination wrote:

I didn't disagree with that. All I'm doing is explaining why the bad things are there in the first place, for us to learn pain and avoid it.

But because there is pain and suffering and all of us at one point or another have had to deal with it. It makes the happy, joyous times in our life that more meaningful and fullfilling.

God exists and there is pain becuase the first sin( eating the fruit of good and evil ) and after that all evil came wich includes pain

Pain is so called bad because it will happen before say you cut yourself accidently at a workshop. You feel the pain then blood comes out and let's say you are about to die. The feeling you feel then you know now to avoid.

It's basically trial-and-error. Sort of.

The main thing with religion and atheists, is that people just don't know. No-body has proof god exists and no-body has proof he doesn't. How can god expect us to believe in him when he gives us no proof he ever was. So then he must not exists, then how does everything come together? So then he must exist.

It's ok to guess about these things because that's what preachers do, they follow a Goddamn book that's been re-written thousands of times and transferred through language.

The worst thing you can do is believe in god to save yourself from hell. It's selfish and you will still go to hell, if hell is or was real.

So since it's not where are we now... back to where we were, no-fucking-where.

If god exists in the fashion you see him. As a creator. Then obviously it found it necessary to have us exist on a plane of reality that isn't a paradise.

Because without pain there would be no pleasure, no contrast. Also i think any spark would not have anything to do with what the creatuers and organisms do in their environment.

At 4/26/08 04:49 PM, MyMonkey wrote:

Prove that the sun exists. I dare you.

Now your just being childish.

How can you be sure we dont live in an illusion. Can you prove we dont live in an ilusion. That all that we see and feel is true, the only truth. No.

Prove that we are living in an illusion, and also, first off you're saying that everything exists, now your saying all of it doesn't? Make up your fucking mind man.

Its technically said that its not a scientists, or a humans job to disprove something, but for someone to prove it. And you cannot base opinions on thin air, we are in an illusion, its not our job to disprove that theory, but your job to prove it, until you have solid proof its not a fact.

You're a bit stupid arent you. The point = You cant prove anything exists so an object only exists in ones opinion.

Thats complete bollocks, and dont be calling people stupic when you are making flat arguments. You think and breathe and live, proving you exist, and theres no proof to say we DONT exist. therefore we must. Now, Fuck off and leave this argument alone.

Weird that everyone took this as an anti-religion thread, when religion is a prerequisite to the point.

Anyway...

The argument for pain usually goes something like this: God is providing us choices, providing us an environment to foster free will.

That aside, do you differentiate between extreme happiness and fulfillment?

You also might like this little soundbite: Our woe is to the scale of our world.

Pain exists because it is a necessary biological survival function, without pain you would not know that something is wrong, you wouldn't know to take your hand out of the fire, it protects us and keeps us from hurting ourselves. Emotional pain works on exactly the same concept. All displeasure and bad feelings are simply a survival instinct.

By trying to figure out why "god allows us to feel pain" you are trying to answer a very simple question "why do we feel pain" through a very distorted concept of reality.

Pain is a good thing.. that way you know you put your hand on that really hot pan and you won't get yourself fucked up too bad <_<.

At 4/26/08 05:34 PM, JustsTrollingAlong wrote: By trying to figure out why "god allows us to feel pain" you are trying to answer a very simple question "why do we feel pain" through a very distorted concept of reality.

Biology can merely be the mechanism, provided by God for a separate purpose.

There is no God.

At 4/26/08 01:42 PM, andhination wrote: Okay first off, I'd like to start by saying that this isn't an anti religion thread.

Unfortunately, It's really pointless to start a thread out with a line like this, I've found.

People will take it how they want to regardless, and flame you if they so desire. :P

Okay well your forgetting that god could just be an utter prick and has therefore shown us supreme joy just so that its more painful when we get pain and misery and utter horror. Secondly the reason that happy is better than sad is simply that it isn't. I like to feel sad sometimes and pain is so that we don't destroy ourselves because if we didn't feel pain we wouldn't have a need not to chop off our legs or burn ourselves to death. And if there wasn't misery than happiness wouldn't feel as good. So shut up and be grateful for whatever pains and sufferings you've got because they just make happiness and joy the sweeter when you get a hold of them. Lastly I do believe in god and I do think he is a wrathful, jealous, proud utter prick who wants us all to bow down to him and give him all our attention constantly and so far he's doing a damn good job with it. Atheists pay attention to his followers and his followers pay attention to him. He is here just for a sick joke. He is a horrible sadist and we're all going to hell. So I say we should all ignore him and party are ever lasting asses off.