animal testing; drawing the line

[MCRFAN1134]

Animal testing is the testing of drugs and make-up products on animals, and is a controversial issue in today's society. Although animal testing may seem like a black and white issue, it isn't, and a line must be drawn. Animal testing is used with medications for cancer and other deadly and painful diseases, and this is a good cause, because it helps create the drugs to save lives, however, animal testing is also used on make-up, which is not a good cause and is not important, because people can live painlessly without make-up. Therefore, animal testing should be used on drugs but not make-up and other unimportant items.

[hippl5]

Why stop testing make-up? It gives people jobs. Who cares about the animals?

[SmilezRoyale]

I Draw the line at wherever it is most convenient for me; and call stepping the line immoral, until new discoveries permit a recession or advance of that line.

[MCRFAN1134]

At 4/25/08 03:37 PM, hippl5 wrote: Why stop testing make-up? It gives people jobs. Who cares about the animals?

Animals happen to be living things, eating meat is one thing, as that is part of the food chain, but make-up isn't natural, nor is it needed to survive...

[animehater]

At 4/25/08 03:42 PM, MCRFAN1134 wrote: Animals happen to be living things, eating meat is one thing, as that is part of the food chain, but make-up isn't natural, nor is it needed to survive...

And people are living things who need work so they can get money to eat things like meat.

[MCRFAN1134]

At 4/25/08 03:45 PM, animehater wrote:

At 4/25/08 03:42 PM, MCRFAN1134 wrote: Animals happen to be living things, eating meat is one thing, as that is part of the food chain, but make-up isn't natural, nor is it needed to survive...

And people are living things who need work so they can get money to eat things like meat.

So testing make-up, an un-needed product in daily life, on animals is the only way for these people to make money? They can make money in other ways!

[hippl5]

At 4/25/08 03:42 PM, MCRFAN1134 wrote:

At 4/25/08 03:37 PM, hippl5 wrote: Why stop testing make-up? It gives people jobs. Who cares about the animals?

Animals happen to be living things, eating meat is one thing, as that is part of the food chain, but make-up isn't natural, nor is it needed to survive...

Make-up is sold to make money. Money helps people by letting them obtain food. Food is necessary for survival. Therefore, if those people were out of a job, they might starve.

[hippl5]

At 4/25/08 03:47 PM, MCRFAN1134 wrote:

At 4/25/08 03:45 PM, animehater wrote:

At 4/25/08 03:42 PM, MCRFAN1134 wrote: Animals happen to be living things, eating meat is one thing, as that is part of the food chain, but make-up isn't natural, nor is it needed to survive...

And people are living things who need work so they can get money to eat things like meat.

So testing make-up, an un-needed product in daily life, on animals is the only way for these people to make money? They can make money in other ways!

Computers an an un-needed product in life. So are cars, your house, all your belongings. Why don't you go live in a forest and live off of the land in a natural way?

[Palomides]

You can also draw the line on what kind of animals you test on. I mean rat's dont really have feelings do they? Monkey's on the other hand can show emotion. Pain really isnt an emotion its just a reaction.

[MCRFAN1134]

At 4/25/08 03:52 PM, Palomides wrote: You can also draw the line on what kind of animals you test on. I mean rat's dont really have feelings do they? Monkey's on the other hand can show emotion. Pain really isnt an emotion its just a reaction.

I see where you're going, however, people try to test some things on animals more similar to humans, if they didn't they could test on goldfish or another emotionless animal.

[Al6200]

At 4/25/08 03:32 PM, MCRFAN1134 wrote: Animal testing is the testing of drugs and make-up products on animals, and is a controversial issue in today's society. Although animal testing may seem like a black and white issue, it isn't, and a line must be drawn. Animal testing is used with medications for cancer and other deadly and painful diseases, and this is a good cause, because it helps create the drugs to save lives, however, animal testing is also used on make-up, which is not a good cause and is not important, because people can live painlessly without make-up. Therefore, animal testing should be used on drugs but not make-up and other unimportant items.

Here would be my criteria for any animal research:

1. The experiment must use the scientific method and serve a concrete medical purpose if the experiment causes bodily or psychological harm to the animal.

2. The group performing the experiment must have an M.D. from an accredited medical school on the team

3. The experiment must not have a viable alternative that allows the team to avoid causing harm to animals

4. The research must have some promise of solving a definitive physical disorder in human beings, that is linked to a distinct physical cause (in other words, an emotional disorder that isn't linked to a physical cause should not be allowed to harm animals)

5. The experiment must take all reasonable steps possible to minimize the harm done to the animal

[Ravariel]

There is no line.

/matrix

[n64kid]

At 4/25/08 03:32 PM, MCRFAN1134 wrote: Animal testing is a controversial issue in today's society.

animal testing may seem like a black and white issue

If it's controversial then how the hell may it seem like a black and white issue?

drugs to save lives, however, animal testing is also used on make-up, which is not a good cause and is not important, because people can live painlessly without make-up. Therefore, animal testing should be used on drugs but not make-up and other unimportant items.

In other words, we don't need make-up therefore animal testing is bad? Are you a 12 year old?

Your conclusion sucks, and standards set by law have these animals treated ethically.

[D2Kvirus]

If it's a life-saving drug, I think there is a certain limit of justifiability - albeit they usually use cloned rats, which gives them a base to work from. However, testing cosmetics on animals is pretty damned pointless, so that should be dropped.

[Adzy-2k6]

At 4/25/08 03:52 PM, hippl5 wrote:

At 4/25/08 03:47 PM, MCRFAN1134 wrote:

At 4/25/08 03:45 PM, animehater wrote:

At 4/25/08 03:42 PM, MCRFAN1134 wrote: Animals happen to be living things, eating meat is one thing, as that is part of the food chain, but make-up isn't natural, nor is it needed to survive...

And people are living things who need work so they can get money to eat things like meat.

So testing make-up, an un-needed product in daily life, on animals is the only way for these people to make money? They can make money in other ways!

Computers an an un-needed product in life. So are cars, your house, all your belongings. Why don't you go live in a forest and live off of the land in a natural way?

but we don't test computers on animals, or cars, or any other thing apart from chamicals. Why make animals suffer just because you want a new type of makup to play on your self esteem.

medical research is ok, because it saves lives, and may even save other animals lives. animals can have similar diseases to humans, so discovered cures may help their species (and before you deny it, we couldn't test cures on animals if they couldn't get the disease).

[qu3muchach0]

God gave man dominion over all animals, so basically we can do whatever our sick minds can up with and God doesn't mind.

[Adzy-2k6]

At 4/26/08 06:26 PM, qu3muchach0 wrote: God gave man dominion over all animals, so basically we can do whatever our sick minds can up with and God doesn't mind.

it is also a teaching that we should respect god creatures, and avoid sufferin g to all creatures.

[qu3muchach0]

At 4/26/08 07:50 PM, Adzy-2k6 wrote:

At 4/26/08 06:26 PM, qu3muchach0 wrote: God gave man dominion over all animals, so basically we can do whatever our sick minds can up with and God doesn't mind.

it is also a teaching that we should respect god creatures, and avoid sufferin g to all creatures.

??? ok...

just to smile and nod in your direction, i'll say this:

it is wrong to hurt something that someone loves (i.e. animals). for example the parable of the rich guy killing the poor guy's sheep to serve to company.
use as desired... this emo thread bores me.