Fruity Loops or Logic Studio?

[TeKNeTiUM]

Hey, can you guys tell me what you think is better?

Fruity Loops 8
or
Logic Studio 8

Please say what you think is good about each, but don't badmouth the other if you haven't used it.

Thanks

[ObviousTroll]

Ejay is better than both.

[DaGrahamCraka]

why did you post this, "obviously FL, but logic is better than both", in the Garageband vs. Fruity Loops thread if you dont already know which is better. hmm?

[Phoog]

If this is literally "Logic Studio 8" versus "FL Sudio 8" then it's Logic Studio hands down. That shit comes with like 7 programs! Only 2 of which I've used so far.

I used FL for ages before I got my Mac and Logic. I'll probably now continue to use both.

I don't want to do cons, so I won't.
Pros of both:

FL Studio:
It's very easy to get used to and you can pick it up well within a good month of using it.
It's easy to access samples and stuff, and on Windows, I know how to "install" VSTs. Woo.

Logic Studio:
It's industry standard. <-- obviously a pro right there.
It has wicked presets, sampler instrument, loops/sounds library, etc.
It has some cool FX that come with it.
It totally comes with more than just "Logic Pro" which is such a bonus.
My grandad got it for me so I didn't have to pay! :D

I'd have done that all more seriously. But I'm tired and don't really care much. And I'm no good at weighing out all the details of two things next to each other.

[ObviousTroll]

At 4/23/08 06:42 PM, Ambimetric wrote: It's industry standard. <-- obviously a pro right there.

There is no industry standard in terms of sequencer, I doubt more pro users use Logic Pro than Cubase, that's in my experiance anyways.

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At 4/23/08 07:13 PM, ObviousTroll wrote: There is no industry standard in terms of sequencer, I doubt more pro users use Logic Pro than Cubase, that's in my experiance anyways.

Actually, Pro-Tools is. But that's a load of bullshit in my opinion.

[InsaneSmilie]

Please keep in mind that logic is primarily an audio editor while FL is primarily a senquecer. Also Logic Pro is not currently the indestry standard pro tools is. Not to say that it's not a professional program, but if you don't have the proper hardware to record with than you may be better off with FL.

Not to say that FL is the only sequencer avalible (although it is the easiest to use); Reason, ACID Pro (Bit more geared toward recording/editing), and Cakewalk Kinetic, are some other very powerful sequencers. Sequencers are good if you don't know how to play an instrament or have the hardware to record since you can do everything on the computer.

Logic Pro is an editor, although it does have some loops and midi compatibility, your really wasting your money if you get it just for that. It's really ment for people who record their music and want to editing on what they've recorded. That said it has some very powerful tools for this, but agein is not the only program for it. Other good ones include: Cakewalk Sonar, Adobe Audition, and Pro Tool (current industry standard), and on reflection ACID Pro probably fits more into this catagory.

[TeKNeTiC]

yay, i made my new account

my band decided on teknetic instead of teknetium

[TeKNeTiC]

At 4/23/08 06:17 PM, ObviousTroll wrote: Ejay is better than both.

no way

[Mo-Tech]

At 4/23/08 07:23 PM, InsaneSmilie wrote: Please keep in mind that logic is primarily an audio editor while FL is primarily a senquecer. Also Logic Pro is not currently the indestry standard pro tools is. Not to say that it's not a professional program, but if you don't have the proper hardware to record with than you may be better off with FL.

o_o Wow. Ill informed, or just talking out your ass? Go to a book store. Read a magazine.

Logic, Protools, and Cubase all do essentially do the same things. The "industry standards" are both Protools and Logic (while the NG standard is FL). Protools is used much more in professional studio production and recording while Logic is used more by the professional home musician, which is almost every single electronica producer you can think of. Of course, this isn't black and white there is some cross over in everything. (most professional sound engineers run both Logic and Protools so they can work with everyone)

If you are new to computer music production and are leaning more towards electronica or hiphop, go with FL. It is cheaper and it will be easier to grasp the fundamentals of computer based composition than the higher end programs. If you are leaning more towards home recording, rather than computer composition, then the better choice would be Logic. The Logic vs Protools vs Cubase debate is old and stupid, but all three offer much more flexible than FL, but you pay for it and the learning curve is steep. (you get two 5 lbs manuals with Logic Pro! one for Logic itself and one for all the plugins)

Logic has much much more in box than FL as well. I just pulled Logic up and counted 67 effects/mastering/metering tools and 13 instruments (and the sampler comes with literally hundreds of different sound sets) and 22 garage band instruments, and they all have hundreds of presets. Logic also comes packed with three different jam packs (remix, rhythm section, and symphony orchestra) which vastly expand your sound sets. Then there are the thousands of apples loops which are already time and pitch flexible. All of that sounds great, but let me tell you from experience, it can feel very overwhelming at first.

Either way you go, it will take you a while to get quality results.

If you have any questions feel free to ask or IM me :)

Mo

[InsaneSmilie]

At 4/24/08 01:31 AM, Mo-Tech wrote: o_o Wow. Ill informed, or just talking out your ass? Go to a book store. Read a magazine.

Not to drag this thread out but you seem to have made the same points I did, so I'm not sure what it is exactly that you disagree with. Like I said Logic does have some loops and midi compatibility, but your really wasting your money if you get it just for that. Also It's important to look at the larger scope of things. Their are alot more programs out their than just, FL, logic, and Cubas, each have their their own perks and are good for certain things and if you think that one of them is flat out better another than you probably missed my unssarlily draged out point.

[Mo-Tech]

Sorry, Insane, but you missed my point.

Logic does everything FL does, and does it with more detail, plus a lot more, so it's easy for a beginner to get bogged down in Logic compared to FL.

I did not make the same points you did.

TeK has narrowed down his choices to FL and Logic. Lets keep it at that.

Mo

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At 4/23/08 06:17 PM, ObviousTroll wrote: Ejay is better than both.

LMFAO I remember the old Dance ejay / Rave ejay programs thats what I started with but you're not actually making music on that, you just piece together the musix samples they made for you..... like a jigsaw in a way :)

[Equation]

I've only ever used FL Studio, to be fair alot of people do slate it due to it ease of use compared to other programs out there, I simply use it for the piano role... Iv bought a multitrack recorder so i can adjust EQ etc on that (as the EQ in FL is wank), purchased additional software for sound (eg. Nexus, Vanguard, Atmosphere) and to be fair with the amount i'v spent on other software / hardware the songs sound as good as any other

BUT.............

if I wasn't to but all these additionals and just use FL as it comes I wouldn't recomend it out the 2, the preset synths / fx in the sofware aint amazing..

I suppose it's just depending on whether or not you'll mainly be using other software for your tracks, if your only gonna use FL for the piano roll and maybe a few other things (the reverb effect isn't that bad i suppose) then yeah go for it, its nice and simple to use.....
if your wanting this program to do alot more for you (on its own) then go with some other program...

That about sums it up i think

[TeKNeTiC]

At 4/24/08 06:39 PM, Mo-Tech wrote: Logic does everything FL does, and does it with more detail, plus a lot more, so it's easy for a beginner to get bogged down in Logic compared to FL.

Well, i have been using FL actually for a while, but now have a chance to get Logic, and I've used it a lot on my friends compy, so I if Logic has the same capabilities as FL, then i'm definitely going for it (better sound quality, more FX, better instruments etc.)

Thanks to everyone who posted!

[G9]

I think a close comparison would be FL8 and Logic Express 8.

Logic Studio has a lot of almost unnecessary features for the beginning audio artist.

Quote MacWorld's Review:
"What you'll miss are Logic Pro's surround capabilities and some of its more sophisticated tools, like the Sculpture synth and Space Designer and Delay Designer effects. More importantly, you won't get any of Logic Studio's bundled items, like the Jam Packs, MainStage performance app, Soundtrack Pro audio editor, and WaveBurner burning and mastering tool. If the main draw of Logic is the editing facility and you don't need all of those extras, or if you're on a budget, Express is a solid choice. But with Logic Pro at half its original price, the Studio upgrade may be worth it-especially if you want to work with surround sound or play live onstage."

Logic Studio comes with a lot of sounds. If you don't have that many synths and samplers, it may be worth it, but if you're just looking for the DAW, Logic Express might be the better buy.

[TeKNeTiC]

so now the question is "Can Logic do everything FL does?"

plz post!

[ObviousTroll]

At 4/26/08 08:40 AM, TeKNeTiC wrote: so now the question is "Can Logic do everything FL does?"

plz post!

Logic can do everything FL does and more if you have the knowledge to do such things. If your talking about as teh standalone programs, without additional VSTs then Logic can do alot more than FL straight out of the box.

[Phoog]

At 4/23/08 07:23 PM, InsaneSmilie wrote: Not to say that FL is the only sequencer avalible (although it is the easiest to use)

There's nothing to say that it's easiest to use. Just most people on NG definitely start out using it because a majority of the community use it.

For people who have started out on other stuff, they find it really hard to get used to FL because it's not set out in a "traditional" sense.

[Sleaze]

I can't afford a Mac so FL Studio 8.

[TeKNeTiC]

At 4/26/08 08:50 AM, ObviousTroll wrote: Logic can do everything FL does and more if you have the knowledge to do such things. If your talking about as teh standalone programs, without additional VSTs then Logic can do alot more than FL straight out of the box.

Yah, then i'm definitely going with Logic as I also want to record some other real (as in play guitar etc.) bands, and I think it has a much better sound quality than FL

Plus it comes with tons of other stuff

[ObviousTroll]

It's going to be a very steep learning curve if you have no previous experiance..

[joshhunsaker]

At 4/23/08 07:23 PM, InsaneSmilie wrote: Please keep in mind that logic is primarily an audio editor while FL is primarily a senquecer. Also Logic Pro is not currently the indestry standard pro tools is. Not to say that it's not a professional program, but if you don't have the proper hardware to record with than you may be better off with FL.

Not to say that FL is the only sequencer avalible (although it is the easiest to use); Reason, ACID Pro (Bit more geared toward recording/editing), and Cakewalk Kinetic, are some other very powerful sequencers. Sequencers are good if you don't know how to play an instrament or have the hardware to record since you can do everything on the computer.

Logic Pro is an editor, although it does have some loops and midi compatibility, your really wasting your money if you get it just for that. It's really ment for people who record their music and want to editing on what they've recorded. That said it has some very powerful tools for this, but agein is not the only program for it. Other good ones include: Cakewalk Sonar, Adobe Audition, and Pro Tool (current industry standard), and on reflection ACID Pro probably fits more into this catagory.

I have no clue where you cull this idea from. Logic is an absolutely insanely powerful midi-based sequencer with some of the best included software synths in any package period (lastest version). It is similar to DP in term of the breadth of things it can accomplish however. It is NOT, primarily an editor in any sense the same way say Steinberg's Wavelab 5 is an editor.

[TeKNeTiC]

At 4/26/08 06:47 PM, ObviousTroll wrote: It's going to be a very steep learning curve if you have no previous experiance..

Actually, I have been using a friends Pro-Tools for a while, but it's too expensive for me...

[RandomAnnoyance]

Personally I don't think anyone of them is any better then the other... It's all in how you use it. I use FL because it's simple to use and you have everything you need. It comes with a wide variety of samples plus VST plugins you can get also. If you can't find the effect you need, then you create it using one of the Major generators they have. Sytrus for example is easy to use and you can make ANY sound you can think of if you know how to it to its maximum efficincy.
It's decent for recording if you have the right equipment and the vocorder can pretty much cover any effect you would need for your voice/instrument.
Now, I can't say much for MIDI because I have never used it MAJORLY with FL, but from what I have done, it seemed to handle it well.

so all in all, it doesn't really matter what program you use, it's how you use it. You can buy the best program money has to offer but if you don't know how to use it you mght as well be working with playstations MTV Music Generator. Stick with something that is versitile and can be use in any situation. I only use FL because I have no need for anything else at the moment. I've been looking into Reason, though, because the Drum synths are kinda iffy in FL and Reason has some sick drums.

[Teacee]

At 4/23/08 07:23 PM, InsaneSmilie wrote: Please keep in mind that logic is primarily an audio editor while FL is primarily a senquecer. Also Logic Pro is not currently the indestry standard pro tools is. Not to say that it's not a professional program, but if you don't have the proper hardware to record with than you may be better off with FL.

Not to say that FL is the only sequencer avalible (although it is the easiest to use); Reason, ACID Pro (Bit more geared toward recording/editing), and Cakewalk Kinetic, are some other very powerful sequencers. Sequencers are good if you don't know how to play an instrament or have the hardware to record since you can do everything on the computer.

Logic Pro is an editor, although it does have some loops and midi compatibility, your really wasting your money if you get it just for that. It's really ment for people who record their music and want to editing on what they've recorded. That said it has some very powerful tools for this, but agein is not the only program for it. Other good ones include: Cakewalk Sonar, Adobe Audition, and Pro Tool (current industry standard), and on reflection ACID Pro probably fits more into this catagory.

(They are both considered DAWS not sequencers)
LOL You couldn't be further from the truth, Logic can do some audio editing but Logic is defiantly A DAW and one of the best sequencers on the market, I have used Fl studio, Cubase Acid, ejay, magix audacity ablation live and Reasons. It all depends on the type of style of music and the type of recording you plan on doing. If you are new to the game, Fl Studio would probably be your best choice. inexpensive fast learning curve and works well with samples and midi. Far as it being a sequencer, if you want to call it that, Fl Studio does not have a traditional sequencer, it has separate windows one for the tracks, a step sequencer which looks like little buttons unless you send to piano roll, or record live, its very easy to load samples, but has glitches at times and known for how much it crashes. But overall a decent program and great for beginners to semi pro.

Apple logic on the other hand is Apple only, so you if you are on a Windows computer its not even an option. Apple Logic pro 8 is the best program on the market right now, pound for pound price, and the features 6 sample loop packs 99.00x 5=500.00 alone, plus Soundtrack pro, which is more of an audio editing program then logic, compressor, and a few other programs, plus you have an interface that has everything you need in one Window, Tracks, Mixer, Sample, media, piano roll, editor and more all within the man interface window. There is so much MORE you can do in Logic, that most users will never discover because there are simple things you can do to satisfy the need. I have owned Flstudio since version 3 -8 and logic 7 and 8 and Logic is a Pro App that a lot of pros are using, not everyone is using protools.

[Teacee]

At 4/26/08 08:40 AM, TeKNeTiC wrote: so now the question is "Can Logic do everything FL does?"

plz post!

Yes and then some, Fl studio can be compared as a custom van will get you there with a few nice extra features tv reclining seats pull out bed, Logic is the big tour bus with way more features will get you there more comfort wit the full kichen, shower, bathroom and the kitchen sink.

[Insomni]

At 4/23/08 07:23 PM, InsaneSmilie wrote: Please keep in mind that logic is primarily an audio editor while FL is primarily a senquecer. Also Logic Pro is not currently the indestry standard pro tools is. Not to say that it's not a professional program, but if you don't have the proper hardware to record with than you may be better off with FL.

Not to say that FL is the only sequencer avalible (although it is the easiest to use); Reason, ACID Pro (Bit more geared toward recording/editing), and Cakewalk Kinetic, are some other very powerful sequencers. Sequencers are good if you don't know how to play an instrament or have the hardware to record since you can do everything on the computer.

Logic Pro is an editor, although it does have some loops and midi compatibility, your really wasting your money if you get it just for that. It's really ment for people who record their music and want to editing on what they've recorded. That said it has some very powerful tools for this, but agein is not the only program for it. Other good ones include: Cakewalk Sonar, Adobe Audition, and Pro Tool (current industry standard), and on reflection ACID Pro probably fits more into this catagory.

logic didnt even have sample accurate audio editing untill the newest version. since creator in the 80s to logic 7 it was built pretty much as a mainly midi program. it did have reasonable audio editing, i still use logic 7 for a fair bit of audio editing and all my audio recording but if there is anything that needs any real fine detail it wasnt useable. it is now but it was always midi.

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At 5/14/08 08:41 PM, Teacee wrote:

Oh my fucking god. I want to kill you so bad right now.

(They are both considered DAWS not sequencers)
If you are new to the game, Fl Studio would probably be your best choice.

Yes, it is.

inexpensive fast learning curve and works well with samples and midi. Far as it being a sequencer, if you want to call it that, Fl Studio does not have a traditional sequencer,

Yeah, it has something called a PROGRESSIVE SEQUENCER, meaning its less clunky than a "traditional" sequencer and better in general.

it has separate windows one for the tracks,

That's a fucking GREAT feature. Arrange them how you want: all on one screen, or even move them to 2 monitor interfaces! Anyone who doesn't like this is a retard.

a step sequencer which looks like little buttons unless you send to piano roll, or record live,

The step sequencer KICKS ASS!! Its probably the EASIEST way to sequence drums EVER! Easier than Reason and Logic and Protools, don't give me your Mac bullshit.

its very easy to load samples, but has glitches at times and known for how much it crashes. But overall a decent program and great for beginners to semi pro.

Because the "professional" audio apps NEVER crash EVER NEVER EVER no matter how much strain you put them under. Also because your Macs NEVER EVER crash even if you wanted to because there are no viruses and you have all the best hardware ever and you're paying alot for it so it must be good, right?

Apple logic on the other hand is Apple only, so you if you are on a Windows computer its not even an option.

THat, by itself, is reason enough NOT to use it. If its Apple only, its also overpriced.

Apple Logic pro 8 is the best program on the market right now, pound for pound price, and the features 6 sample loop packs 99.00x 5=500.00 alone,

BULLSHIT. THIS IS BLUNT BULLSHIT. FIVE FUCKING HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A SAMPLE PACK. You must be kidding me. Tell me you are.

plus Soundtrack pro, which is more of an audio editing program then logic, compressor, and a few other programs,

http://kvraudio.com/ = freeware, more and better than whatever comes. And the best part is that most of it is for WINDOWS (or Linux with Wine) and not whatever shitty OS all you pretentious faggots are using these days.

plus you have an interface that has everything you need in one Window, Tracks, Mixer, Sample, media, piano roll, editor and more all within the man interface window.

And FL doesn't? Just arrange the windows however you want them, tard.

There is so much MORE you can do in Logic, that most users will never discover because there are simple things you can do to satisfy the need. I have owned Flstudio since version 3 -8 and logic 7 and 8 and Logic is a Pro App that a lot of pros are using, not everyone is using protools.

Like what? I think most professionals ARE using Protools, simply because its been around and supports outboard gear the best. Logic is a pro app that all the bullshit full of themselves pros are using to make them feel better that they're stuck with the worst operating system on the planet, which, in addition to sucking, costs three times as much and runs the same way as other, much better, operating systems (Windows + Linux).

You are just another brainwashed Steve Jobs cocksucker, I hate your kind and how you think that Macs are the best. It makes me sick to see the outright robbery that is resorted too, and the horrid fanbase, defending their programs and software at all costs, because they can't stand to be ousted. I mean seriously, grow a fucking brain and learn that Macs-Fucking-Suck. End of story.

Well, there's my pissed off rant for the night. Enjoy.

[e-XploD-e]

I personally love Logic 8, it's not that hard to use. If you have an idea, you can easily bring it to life.