Drug Conviction

[BWS]

Okay, I dont have a link for this, because I saw it on TV. This however does not require a link because what happened is pretty cut and dry. A man has been sentenced to 12 years of prison for "selling drugs" to an undercover cop...it was baking soda.

So, what do you think about this sentence?
Does this seem excessive for what he has done?
What is the difference between him selling baking soda and selling Red Bull, or any other product for that matter? Even though it was intended to look as if he was selling dope, he wasnt, and so why cant he sell it? Free enterprise?

[wdfcverfgtghm]

Possesion is 9/10ths of the law, and he is deffintly guilty of possessing with the intent of rasing bread dough.

[BWS]

At 10/1/03 03:09 PM, TotalarchyPwnguin wrote: Possesion is 9/10ths of the law, and he is deffintly guilty of possessing with the intent of rasing bread dough.

Excessive intent to aquire dough...he ought to get hung for some shit like that.

[Slizor]

You have dope that looks like baking soda over there? Weird.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

In all seriousness he did try to sell drugs. If a prostitute says "If you pay me, we can have vaginal sex" and it then turns out that she has a penis rather than a vagina, she is still guilty of prostiution - though personally I don't belive that is a crime against the law.

[The-Darklands]

by dope do you mean cocaine? because weed isn't white and dope is rather green. Hell maybe the cop asked for weed and the guy just wanted to sell him baking soda.

[BWS]

At 10/1/03 03:28 PM, Slizor wrote: You have dope that looks like baking soda over there? Weird.

Well, its supposed to look like Cocaine. Dope=weed over there? Translation loss I guess.

[The-Darklands]

At 10/1/03 03:35 PM, TotalarchyPwnguin wrote: In all seriousness he did try to sell drugs. If a prostitute says "If you pay me, we can have vaginal sex" and it then turns out that she has a penis rather than a vagina, she is still guilty of prostiution - though personally I don't belive that is a crime against the law.

I think the idea is that hermaphordidic prostitution (or male prostitution, i don't know which you were going for) is still illegal. i mean dope is just a name, it was and i would guess looked like baking soda so I think both should get 20 years jail time.

[BWS]

At 10/1/03 03:35 PM, TotalarchyPwnguin wrote: In all seriousness he did try to sell drugs.

But what if it is someone who is selling baggies of snot and declaring that it will get you high as fuck. Whats the difference? Baking Soda isnt illegal. Where is the line drawn between appearence? What if he tried to sell the cop a bag of socks and said it was coke? See what im getting at.

[JudgeDredd]

At 10/1/03 03:41 PM, BWS wrote: What if he tried to sell the cop a bag of socks and said it was coke?

do you mean you have socks that look like cola ova there? weird! (lost translation indeed ;)

as has pointed out already, baking soda gets bread high, so it's obviously an illegal substance. But in todays terms he could easily have been arrested for selling WMD (ie. an anthrax lookalike)

But here's my question. If the cop accepts the baking soda and pays with a wad of monopoly money (real monopoly money!) could the dealer then sue the law-enforcement (law-entrapment) agency for passing off counterfeit currency?

this case has many ramifications!

[stafffighter]

The guy wasent running a grocery store where the cop bought the stuff. it was obviosely intended to pass as cocaine and thats the whole idea behind the arrest. They caught someone who both sells drugs and royally fucks over his customers. Good, I hate dishonest business men.

[BWS]

At 10/2/03 01:40 AM, Judge_Dredd wrote:

At 10/1/03 03:41 PM, BWS wrote:

But here's my question. If the cop accepts the baking soda and pays with a wad of monopoly money (real monopoly money!) could the dealer then sue the law-enforcement (law-entrapment) agency for passing off counterfeit currency?

Ewww, I like this example! Where do you draw the line between what it is and what it should be. What if it were the other way around? Would it be illegal to sell the guy something that had no resemblence to, but was said to be cocaine? Its just that it seems the law has been used for the convieniance of the police/judges for this particular matter. Bullshit if you ask me.

[FUNKbrs]

At 10/2/03 03:16 AM, stafffighter wrote: The guy wasent running a grocery store where the cop bought the stuff. it was obviosely intended to pass as cocaine and thats the whole idea behind the arrest. They caught someone who both sells drugs and royally fucks over his customers. Good, I hate dishonest business men.

Frankly, the perp should be applauded. Want to stoop people from buying drugs? Have lots of under cover cops sell baking soda, lawn clippings, chitake mushrooms, sinus medication, etc. Don't bust anyone, just fuck them royally. People will get fed up and quit buying drugs. Its just that simple.

[I-Jaf]

except that people who regularly buy drugs have dealers that they go to because they know them, i dont know anyone who regularly buys off some stranger down an alley wearing a trench coat and fake moustache, but then that might just be me. and lawn clippings arnt going to fool anyone, and if you're stupid enough to buy a quarter ounce of lawn clipings then you deserve a quarter ounce of lawn clipings. also, targetting the users wont do anything, theres too many, the dealers r the ones to go for

[Slizor]

Well, its supposed to look like Cocaine. Dope=weed over there? Translation loss I guess.

Yeah, dope = weed.

On a related note, when you dope horses, do they get the munchies?

[BWS]

At 10/2/03 02:46 PM, Slizor wrote:

Yeah, dope = weed.

Here, dope = drugs in general. Also, it usually is used for cocaine or heroin.

On a related note, when you dope horses, do they get the munchies?

No no no! Silly Slizor, they get the shits! Really, Ive never heard of this term; ill assume they get the shits!

[bumcheekcity]

At 10/2/03 03:38 PM, BWS wrote:

On a related note, when you dope horses, do they get the munchies?

No no no! Silly Slizor, they get the shits! Really, Ive never heard of this term; ill assume they get the shits!

You never heard of the munchies? It's when you get REALLY hungry after smoking loadsa weed.

[BWS]

At 10/2/03 04:26 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:
You never heard of the munchies? It's when you get REALLY hungry after smoking loadsa weed.

Dude, ive heard of the muchies; I used to be a real fuck up myself. I thought that he was using some sort of pun by asking what happens to doped horses. Haha, yes, I know what the muchies are.

[FUNKbrs]

Piers Anthony's solution to the drug problem:

Confiscate the drugs.
Sell the drugs on the street for less than dealer value from goernment agencies.
Watch the dealers cry like little bitches because they aren't making any money.
Sell till you run out, and then put all your clients in rehab. They won't have a choice because even if they wanted to do drugs, REAL drug dealers don't sell to them because there's no money in it anymore.

[TheShrike]

Where was this? I'm pretty certain in most places you have to be in possession of drugs (at & prior to the time of the sale) to be convicted for selling drugs.

I hate to say this but... link?

Hell... I'll dig it up myself.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/2523587/detail.html

Ok, This is in Ohio, where the law does differentiate between real drugs and "counterfeit controlled substances".

He's guilty, and he's being sentenced with the wrong crime. The established sentence in Ohio for dealing fake drugs is 1 year.

This is really just a case of sloppy interpretation of the law, although it will be interesting to see whether or not his appeal makes any difference. I hope it does, since selling fake drugs isn't exactly the same as selling real drugs. I believe selling fake drugs does deserve some punishment, however. The products fake dealers sell is often just as potentially fatal to the addicts as the real thing. Real drugs are also supposed to be illegal because they're potentially fatal, and I don't thinking snorting lines of baking soda is healthy for you. Fake drug dealers are also technically con-artists, and I know fraud is illegal, but that's a whole other can of worms.

[The-Darklands]

after reading it i really dont know why they decided to charge him on the higher sentence. I dont know but can't you get out with nothing if the prosecuters over charged and the justices found it to be negligent or unlawful?

[TheShrike]

It's quite possible the ruling will be overturned, and the sentence lifted. Depending on how they handle it, they may leave him be or re-sentence him.

[The-Darklands]

At 10/3/03 01:51 AM, TheShrike wrote: It's quite possible the ruling will be overturned, and the sentence lifted. Depending on how they handle it, they may leave him be or re-sentence him.

usually if the mistake is like this they can't recharge...damn i should probably ask my dad (presecuter)

[BWS]

Thanks for the link Shrike; I said in the begining that I didnt have it because I saw it on the News.
So, see what I mean!? This is bullshit in my opinion.

[bumcheekcity]

At 10/3/03 02:23 AM, BWS wrote: This is bullshit in my opinion.

True. Jail for selling Bicarbonate of Soda!

[TheShrike]

I wonder what happened to this guy anyway?

[JudgeDredd]

let me guess..?

[bumcheekcity]

At 10/1/03 03:04 PM, BWS wrote: So, what do you think about this sentence?

Insane. He should have been arrested for fraud, not selling drugs.

Does this seem excessive for what he has done?

Fucking hell yeah. 12 Years for BAKING SODA!?!

Even though it was intended to look as if he was selling dope, he wasnt, and so why cant he sell it? Free enterprise?

Wait a minuite, he'd have got 12 years for selling marajuana?

[TheShrike]

At 2/19/04 06:30 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Wait a minuite, he'd have got 12 years for selling marajuana?

Not mary-jane, cocaine. Dope can also mean cocaine products here in the states.

[bumcheekcity]

At 2/19/04 08:04 PM, TheShrike wrote: Not mary-jane, cocaine. Dope can also mean cocaine products here in the states.

I was wondering myself... White weed?