Precognition?

[JudgeDredd]

"problems of teh future - today!"

Does it exist? Do you know of any irrefutable evidence? A personal experience of importance?

..or is the whole concept of precog just a joke, less interesting than night-golf or TV game shows?

If you've had a vision you think is precog and want to let it known to all, then this is the place to present it and have it taken half-seriously (..maybe)

[Vero993]

i'm going to weigh in and say that it's a really cool idea for a movie....
But hey, with all the millions of dollars Americans spend every year on Pyschic readings, phone calls and tarot cards, it's something that makes an interesting commentary on the traits of people.
There is no one out there who wouldn't love to know what the future has in store for them. Everyone wants to believe that some magic event is waiting just beyond the horizon, and their life will change forever. It's the whole get-something-for-nothing deal; rather than work hard for advancement at our current job or acquire new training, we want to win the lottery. Rather than try to find out what is attractive about ourselves and what can be improved, we wait for Mr. or Ms. Right to come along and sweep us off our feet.

[stafffighter]

I used to have this thing where I thought about a episode of a show I liked and then in either syndications or reruns that was the next episode that came on. The government is known to be doing research on precognition, its appilications for them are obviose.

[Leap]

I have dreams, somtimes monts in advance about an event happening, then I forget about it untill it actually happens. weird no?

[The-Darklands]

At 10/1/03 06:29 AM, firebird1985 wrote: I have dreams, somtimes monts in advance about an event happening, then I forget about it untill it actually happens. weird no?

I beleive that would be your brain relating an event that is similar to one in your past. Unless you record your dreams how would you know that you actually had that dream if in fact you beleive that you forgot it.

[Leap]

Maybe, maybe not.

[JudgeDredd]

At 10/4/03 11:56 AM, firebird1985 wrote: Maybe, maybe not.

"proof! we need proof!"

Actually, winning lotto or some easy life is not normally the result of PSI-powers. Oddly enough, if you sell heaps of shares before your chosen company's stock crashes then you'll as likely get investigated for insider-trading. Likewise, if you win often at the Casino, your name will be blacklisted and your face plastered around as a deterrant to future gambling.

So PSI talents are not normally directed towards personal gain. They are like flashes-of-inspiration, visions infrequently verbalized until after the event. Whether it's merely De-Ja-Vu is then quite hard to disproove.

If a computer with "sufficient information" can predict weather patterns a week in advance with over 90% certainly, then the human brain can easily tap into it's massive-media databanks and link cause to effect with equal precision.
The question is whether our society (or government secret services) are ready to accept that a few people are "gifted" to see snipets of future events without access to the resources, spy-satellites, and super-computers. Or will we (as Sci-Fi writer Philip K Dick often suggested..) feel threatened by sush unexplained phenomina, like the flat-earth or religious society did during the dark-ages?

Why else did the US government breifly launch the "Online-Terrorist-Betting" website, before finally deciding it far too controvesial, or worse, provocative!?

[JoS]

Do you ever have that feeling where you've seen this exact thing happening, or remeber that situation from somewhere but its never physically happened before? Like you had a dream about that exact situation (like a conversation or event). I dunno, I find it weird.

[Chaoslight]

A book most of you who posted here might like: The End of Eternity. I think it's by Asimov, but not 100% sure, but trust me. It would be right up your collective alleys

[TheShrike]

Well, the real question is: Does the fact you have a vision affect the possibility that it may happen?

Yes.

[karasz]

at the risk of sounding like a wacko... sometimes in my dreams i see like little clips of something that will happen (not important things... like one time i had a dream where i was eating spaghetti at my grandparents and my cousin was sitting across from me and on my fork there was a leaf i found in the sauce, and then i looked at my cousin and she made a 'what the hell' look)

month or two later exact situation happened... but i didnt realize it until i actually had the leaf on my fork... then asked what it was for... since i remembered i didnt look up... then my grandfather said 'the two people who find the leaves have to do all the dishes' then my cousin said she found one i looked and she was making the exact face...

see so absolutely stupid it doesnt give me an advantage to life at all

which kinda makes it pointless

[JudgeDredd]

or put another way;

If you participate in an event, you then have a direct causal-link to the outcome. BUT, How dissociate do you have to be from influencing the outcome, before your accurate guestimate of such outcome can be classed as a "super-natural ability"?

[karasz]

ok good im not the only one...

but to put some thigns to rest, the casino isnt going to blacklist you if you win... if you cheat yes but not if you win... the casino will give you like a free room or do something nice for you so you stay at the casino and not leave.... the casino figures yeah joe won $50,000 today but by the end of the weekend that money will be back to us... and if not, then they lost $50,000 this time... but the next time joe goes to a casino where is he going to visit? where he won $50,000 or risk somewhere else?

the events i have a dream about are insignificant and stupid events... not like im lookin at the newspaper for the day after powerball and get teh winning numbers... i mean calm down guys, its all stupid little stuff..,

sometimes my horoscope is right... like i bought a m,onth long one... and it gives you a horoscope and lucky numbers and lucky cards... well my lucky cards were ace of clubs and spades jack of hearts 5 of diamonds...

i play texas holdem and i get jack of hearts and 5 of diamonds in my hand... i figure what the hell ill play this (its a shitty hand and i fold it) the flop (the first 3 cards face up) comes up j-5-x now i have 2 pair and easily win the hand... the odds are pretty slim... i only got that exact hand twice and played it both times... but only the first time it was successful... now im not saying i always check my horoscope for every decision or anything like that... but i do like to see if it was right about my day...

i would like to know what the odds are of that...

[karasz]

At 10/5/03 01:14 AM, Judge_Dredd wrote: or put another way;

If you participate in an event, you then have a direct causal-link to the outcome. BUT, How dissociate do you have to be from influencing the outcome, before your accurate guestimate of such outcome can be classed as a "super-natural ability"?

thats teh thing... i remember the vision the next day and a couple weeks later... but eventually it drifts to the back of my mind... then when the circumstances are the same i remember it... its always an everyday occurance thing...

another one i had a few years ago was me bouncing a purple ball (that we already had) on my patio wearin a detriot lion jacket and talkin to my friends...

then that exact thing happened... but not just the right setting.... i was bouncing on the exact brick i was in my dream...

[poxpower]

At 9/30/03 08:57 AM, Judge_Dredd wrote: Does it exist? Do you know of any irrefutable evidence? A personal experience of importance?

Yes it exists, it happens to me all the time and its funny as hell.
But fuck, I can't "predict" shit. You know, you just see something in your dreams, something completely useless, like you lifting the toilet top or turning the corner of a street, or speaking to someone about something very specific ( like a recipe for Rice Crispies squares).
And then, you forget it after you wake up, and when it happens ( usualy within a month), you remember it and feel weird.

But I can predict notin'

[Sophia-7]

Maybe we are all antennas for receiving infomation concerning future events, but we often supress it or don't know how to process it due to lack of training.

Bierman has done some experiments on RSI using MRI technology, but it is, so far, inconclusive.

~ spooky ~

[JudgeDredd]

At 10/6/03 10:00 AM, Sophia_7 wrote:
Bierman has done some experiments on RSI using MRI technology, but it is, so far, inconclusive.

it would be logical that dream states (Alpha wave patterns not only associated with sleeping) are more receptive occasions, similar to the total concenration of the subconcious mind, like that of a judo expert meditating (focusing) before giving a demonstration of overwhelming strength (mind over matter) in which EEG readings have also shown these strong Alpha patterns.

[Mr-Destruction]

At 9/30/03 08:57 AM, Judge_Dredd wrote: "problems of teh future - today!"

that is a really confusing picture..

[karasz]

sounds to me like the smart thing to do would be NOT sleep... EVER

[Leap]

Yes it exists, it happens to me all the time and its funny as hell.
But fuck, I can't "predict" shit. You know, you just see something in your dreams, something completely useless, like you lifting the toilet top or turning the corner of a street, or speaking to someone about something very specific ( like a recipe for Rice Crispies squares).
And then, you forget it after you wake up, and when it happens ( usualy within a month), you remember it and feel weird.

But I can predict notin'

Yup, its as handom as a very random thing, but it lets you know that the world (or you at least) are running normaly

[Leap]

handom? I mean random :)

Peace

[JoS]

At 10/5/03 01:22 AM, karasz wrote: i play texas holdem and i get jack of hearts and 5 of diamonds in my hand... i figure what the hell ill play this (its a shitty hand and i fold it) the flop (the first 3 cards face up) comes up j-5-x now i have 2 pair and easily win the hand... the odds are pretty slim... i only got that exact hand twice and played it both times... but only the first time it was successful...
i would like to know what the odds are of that...

Some guy got two royal flushes in a row at a casino. Its in the Book of World Records, and IM quite sure the security looked at that tape very very closely for any cheating. Now what are the odds of that?

[Chaoslight]

then that exact thing happened... but not just the right setting.... i was bouncing on the exact brick i was in my dream...

But how many times have you bounced that ball? How many times have you been on that patio? And, playing devil's advocate here, isn't it possible that on some level you decided to bouce that ball on that brick just so it would 'fit' with your dream? Or could you be remembering wrong?

month or two later exact situation happened... but i didnt realize it until i actually had the leaf on my fork...

As for this one, wow.

"Looking into the future is like looking at a tapestry through a long thin tube. You get images, but it's not enough to make sense of until it's happening around you." -Someone...