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At 9/27/03 10:17 PM, 70TA wrote: As long as the owner is responsible, there shouldn't be a problem. When they fall into the hands of idiots, like gangs, then there is a problem. That is my only problem with firearms, when they go to gangs. Those clowns don't use firearms for the right reason, and that is what gives firearms a bad wrap.

Firearms shouldn't be used. If all the guns in the WORLD suddenly disappeared with a POP, would that be a bad thing?

This is just the same type of debate as "guns and their uses" which bum started already so why did you start this one? isn't that a bannable offense?

At 9/28/03 03:29 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

Firearms shouldn't be used. If all the guns in the WORLD suddenly disappeared with a POP, would that be a bad thing?

Yes.

At 9/28/03 03:29 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Firearms shouldn't be used. If all the guns in the WORLD suddenly disappeared with a POP, would that be a bad thing?

As dumb as it sounds, with what would we stop the grizzly bear?

Actually, if all the guns disappeared with a pop, I'd prefer that noone could make them again. It'd be a nusance to try to make enough for everyone.

At 9/28/03 03:29 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Firearms shouldn't be used. If all the guns in the WORLD suddenly disappeared with a POP, would that be a bad thing?

Only for small weak people who aren't good with knives, like women and children. But hey, if you don't mind a world run by martial artists, body builders, and bow hunting enthusiasts, be my guest.

At 9/28/03 08:17 PM, 70TA wrote:

At 9/28/03 03:29 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

Firearms shouldn't be used. If all the guns in the WORLD suddenly disappeared with a POP, would that be a bad thing?

Yes.

What could possibly be bad about that?

At 9/28/03 11:10 PM, OpIvy420 wrote:

What could possibly be bad about that?

OMG, I can't believe this, it would be screwing alot of us! There are too many fans of firearms for that to happen. That means that fans wouldn't be able to enjoy them. Us responsible people who actually know what we are doing when it comes to firearms, simply can not give up our arms. The thought is just mad! Sure, it may stop some illegal activity, but it would be fucking the people who are actually right minded. Guns are a way of life around here, and all you'd have to know is that would not fly around here.

So you don't mind having tens of thousands of peopel dying every year just so you can hang out at a gun club?

At 9/28/03 09:28 PM, JudgeFUNK wrote: Only for small weak people who aren't good with knives, like women and children. But hey, if you don't mind a world run by martial artists, body builders, and bow hunting enthusiasts, be my guest.

Why not have a world run by people with pipe bombs and grenade launchers?

guns should always be legal, my moto empty the chamber and let the lord decide

At 9/29/03 12:29 AM, punk_disease wrote: So you don't mind having tens of thousands of peopel dying every year just so you can hang out at a gun club?

Most of those deaths are from "military issue" guns such as assault rifles, and people who would find some way of killing the given person despite not having a gun; they use a gun because it just much more efficient. Taking away guns isnt the answer; its a bullshit/lame solution.

I think having firearms should be legal.....Police have the firepower, who is gonna save us from the police? We need guns. there should be an IQ requirement when you buy one though.

So why not let people walk around with rocket launchers?

They're far more effective than guns when it comes to defending yourself.

At 9/29/03 12:47 AM, punk_disease wrote: So why not let people walk around with rocket launchers?

They're far more effective than guns when it comes to defending yourself.

YEAH! That wud be so MOTHERFUCKING tight! then we could blow up all the fag commie liberals and shit, and then no fucking dumb people would be botherin us. all the fans of gunz would support that kind of ting. ACDC ROXXX!!!!!!

It seems a few fail to grasp the point of bumcheekcitys statement here. There would be noone missing guns for they would not exist. They won't have to give them up for they would have nothing to give up. And actually I think it would be a great thing for all guns and weapons of a higher caliber, ie rocket launchers. Yes it would be nice considering my friends stockpill of japanese swords and his several blackbelts, also my developing martial arts skill and the swords. Though I would like to have 6-shooters. You know just for me. But without guns, what the hell would happen. I mean seriously, wars would be pretty fucking weird, might as well run them over with jeeps instead of dealing with their sword abilitys. Actually a world without guns would bring more violence and death. But it sure would be interesting.

At 9/28/03 08:56 PM, UNpossible wrote:

At 9/28/03 03:29 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Firearms shouldn't be used.

As dumb as it sounds, with what would we stop the grizzly bear?

..it was actually a typo; "the right to bear arms" ..it was a clause for taxidermists to legally sell their meat thru the open market, rather than the black market.

They decided to leave the clause as stated, ammending it to allow people to own short-sleeve-shirts (bears skins were becomming quite rare, and cotton was already a popular alternative) ..by the time the gun lobbyists interpreted it to mean "the possession of lethal weapons", the sale of hunting rifles was already diminishing in favour of the of the smaller, lighter, "people hunting" hand-guns.

*starts collecting bets on when Wade will post in topic*

At 9/29/03 12:38 AM, BWS wrote:

Taking away guns isnt the answer; its a bullshit/lame solution.

BWS is right, taking away guns is not the answer, and yes it is a BS solution. And Ivy, it's not my fault those people are dying so I can "hang out at my gun club". That's ridiculous.

At 9/29/03 12:47 AM, punk_disease wrote: So why not let people walk around with rocket launchers?

They're far more effective than guns when it comes to defending yourself.

Hey, if people want to break their backs, and then miss with said weapon, then they can do just that. I'd think that since we're all nerds, you'd be against the world being ruled by whoever has the biggest muscles or larger piece of wood with a nail, punk.

At 9/29/03 12:41 AM, Cassidythapimp wrote: I think having firearms should be legal.....Police have the firepower, who is gonna save us from the police? We need guns. there should be an IQ requirement when you buy one though.

thank you. "Quis custodiet est custodienes? (sp)"

If we don't all carry weapons, what the hell will we do when the king of england just stroll over and starts pushing us around? Huh? huH??

(My apology if this has already been said, I got bored of this conversation about 9 posts in. ) =)

At 9/29/03 02:32 PM, Slye wrote: If we don't all carry weapons, what the hell will we do when the king of england just stroll over and starts pushing us around? Huh? huH??

Better example:
What happens if a certain President decides that the military ought to take control of a certain area within our borders? What happens when the Government decides that the best way to make people agree is by gunpoint? What happens when the people's rights and opinions are threated by a Government that doesnt give a fuck and is armed? What happens when this situation occurs and civilians have no means of defense?

At 9/29/03 12:35 AM, KornKidofKali wrote: guns should always be legal, my moto empty the chamber and let the lord decide

your retarded and retarded ppl shouldnt own a gun, that is why the world is fucked up

now second on the agenda. guns should be all be dismembered with all gun manufactures torn down to replace orphanages for the kids that had parents die by guns. we be thinking about peace not how big our ego can get with the new 45 in your pocket

At 9/29/03 05:51 PM, blueloa13 wrote:

At 9/29/03 12:35 AM, KornKidofKali wrote: guns should always be legal, my moto empty the chamber and let the lord decide

your retarded and retarded ppl shouldnt own a gun, that is why the world is fucked up

Youre both retarded.

now second on the agenda. guns should be all be dismembered with all gun manufactures torn down to replace orphanages for the kids that had parents die by guns. we be thinking about peace not how big our ego can get with the new 45 in your pocket

Right. How likely do you actually think that is? Given the demand, do you really think that there could be a worldwide hault on production of guns? Also, its quite a hefty assumption implying that all gun owners do it to gratify their ego.

At 9/29/03 05:35 PM, BWS wrote:

At 9/29/03 02:32 PM, Slye wrote: If we don't all carry weapons, what the hell will we do when the king of england just stroll over and starts pushing us around? Huh? huH??

Better example:
What happens if a certain President decides that the military ought to take control of a certain area within our borders? What happens when the Government decides that the best way to make people agree is by gunpoint? What happens when the people's rights and opinions are threated by a Government that doesnt give a fuck and is armed? What happens when this situation occurs and civilians have no means of defense?

Then you realize that your silly little handguns and rifles aren't good enough to stop AGM-65 Mavericks and tanks and A-10s. Saying that people having fire arms can protect the state is obsolete. And when everyone has a handgun, it doesn't do much.

That's why firearms enthusiasts should upgrade to rocket launchers. I'm totally serious. What could go wrong with that?

At 9/29/03 05:56 PM, BWS wrote: Right. How likely do you actually think that is? Given the demand, do you really think that there could be a worldwide hault on production of guns?

Yes (..but i am NG's resident idealist -doh!)
..maybe if we can throw in some technological widget somewhere in the production cycle? ..or is hi-tech only a tool of the military?? :*(

At 9/29/03 08:33 PM, Judge_Dredd wrote:

At 9/29/03 05:56 PM, BWS wrote: Right. How likely do you actually think that is? Given the demand, do you really think that there could be a worldwide hault on production of guns?

Yes (..but i am NG's resident idealist -doh!)
..maybe if we can throw in some technological widget somewhere in the production cycle? ..or is hi-tech only a tool of the military?? :*(

I know! We can threaten them at gunpoint! That'll teach them fuckers to make guns! Man, I oughtta be paid for my ideas!

At 9/29/03 05:35 PM, BWS wrote:

At 9/29/03 02:32 PM, Slye wrote: If we don't all carry weapons, what the hell will we do when the king of england just stroll over and starts pushing us around? Huh? huH??

Better example:
What happens if a certain President decides that the military ought to take control of a certain area within our borders? What happens when the Government decides that the best way to make people agree is by gunpoint? What happens when the people's rights and opinions are threated by a Government that doesnt give a fuck and is armed? What happens when this situation occurs and civilians have no means of defense?

Though I do see your point, you do need to remember... the US military is made up of US citizens. You can only order your troops to go so far against your own homeland... wouldn't you agree?

That and every person making every little part of the US's weapon stockpiles are also US citizens.

I have a question to all you pro-gun people -- if you could re-write the law to fit the modern age and encompass all future possibilities, even ones you at this era cannot possibly comprehend exsisting that gives you gun rights, give me the word-for-word lettering right here.

At 9/29/03 10:04 PM, Adept_Omega wrote:

I have a question to all you pro-gun people -- if you could re-write the law... give me the word-for-word lettering right here.

We da people is a aimin ta give de's here fukgers a bunch a guns Mmmmkayyy.
-BWS and folk

I WIN! YEAH, I WIN!!

At 9/29/03 08:13 PM, punk_disease wrote: Then you realize that your silly little handguns and rifles aren't good enough to stop AGM-65 Mavericks and tanks and A-10s. Saying that people having fire arms can protect the state is obsolete. And when everyone has a handgun, it doesn't do much.

I can see that even though everyone had a rifle in Afghanistan and Somalia, it didn't do much did it? Oh no, it just allowed people to kill soldiers and grab the rocket launchers to kill the tanks so that they could use the guns to blow up the helicopter, ect..

That's why firearms enthusiasts should upgrade to rocket launchers. I'm totally serious. What could go wrong with that?

Be more practical. Rocket Launchers are not used to kill people.

Guns should not exist. I want to know why anyone would disagree with this. Is hunting deer that much fun? It's so entertaining that you'd be willing to see tens of thousands of people die every year?