Forum Topic: Flash Ads - Try them!

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At 4/9/08 12:25 AM, thedo12 wrote: one thing i love about this is the fact you can use movie,s instead of games

people like moochi ads only accept games, what they dont realize however is that movies get some of the most veiws.

just look at metal gear awsome 2

I agree, just because an animation is not as interactive as a game, doesn't mean that they are not as enjoyable!

It's like watching TV instead of playing video games, both are just as enjoyable.

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This is great. Everyone wins! Hooray for Ads and good old cash. :)

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There should be a confirmation to whether or not the flash was sucsessfully added to the API.
I have the feeling mine is not. :X

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The as3 API seems to be missing the com folder with the Newgrounds_Global class.

Sweet to see this go public though. I fully endorse this service ^_^


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Can we apply these ads to already submitted flash works? i.e. recently submitted animation which we might want to earn money from without resubmitting...

Sorry for the noobish question, I couldn't seem to find this out after looking through the info page thingy.

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Really, does anyone have any rough estimates of how much income we can expect for so many views?

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It's working :), just follow the tutorial and you'll find out, this is fucking awesome tom :)


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At 4/9/08 05:58 AM, Fora wrote: It's working :), just follow the tutorial and you'll find out, this is fucking awesome tom :)

Ahh, I checked the settings and just enabled flash ads.
How long does it take for an approval?

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At 4/9/08 06:40 AM, Gaaz wrote:
At 4/9/08 05:58 AM, Fora wrote: It's working :), just follow the tutorial and you'll find out, this is fucking awesome tom :)
Ahh, I checked the settings and just enabled flash ads.
How long does it take for an approval?

you have to put the code into ur flash, then just upload the flash again.
then you can see how much views you have, I have 3 now but didn't made any money :(


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At 4/9/08 07:09 AM, Fora wrote: you have to put the code into ur flash, then just upload the flash again.
then you can see how much views you have, I have 3 now but didn't made any money :(

Yes, I already did yesterday; I just forgot about enabling the flash ads.

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since neither this nor mochi are contract deals would i be allowed to add both (to one submission) by, for example adding one in the preloader and one in between levels?
or would that be cheaing? :~(


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This is awesome, but what will the pay be vs Mochiads?


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At 4/9/08 07:26 AM, Powergames wrote: or would that be cheaing? :~(

Unless one or the other specifies that you can't have another advertising deal in your piece, then knock yourself out. Of course, you need to submit your game to Mochi, and I'm SURE they'll accept your game if the first thing they see is a huge NEWGROUNDS ADVERTS preloader...

Hey, why stop there? Why not get sponsorships from real companies to put thier name in your flash as part of the texture. Go down to your local stores and get cash for logos. Rent out every available surface! Do it! Do it in the name of capitalism!

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At 4/9/08 07:36 AM, KaynSlamdyke wrote:
At 4/9/08 07:26 AM, Powergames wrote: or would that be cheaing? :~(
Unless one or the other specifies that you can't have another advertising deal in your piece, then knock yourself out. Of course, you need to submit your game to Mochi, and I'm SURE they'll accept your game if the first thing they see is a huge NEWGROUNDS ADVERTS preloader...

Hey, why stop there? Why not get sponsorships from real companies to put thier name in your flash as part of the texture. Go down to your local stores and get cash for logos. Rent out every available surface! Do it! Do it in the name of capitalism!

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hey it says in big letters on the mochi website that since they don't use a contract we're allowed to use other sites as well. i was just wondering what tomFulp would have to say about it ... but i guess mochi wouldn't be too happpy about me using another direct competitor so ...


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At 4/9/08 04:57 AM, Omenator wrote: Can we apply these ads to already submitted flash works? i.e. recently submitted animation which we might want to earn money from without resubmitting...

Yes, you can update existing submissions!


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At 4/9/08 08:16 AM, TomFulp wrote: Yes, you can update existing submissions!

I love how you're always so excited about Newgrounds-related stuff that you always put exclamation marks!

Also, how come PsychoGoldfish gets to do all those things to Newgrounds? I could easily do it too!

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At 4/9/08 07:46 AM, Powergames wrote: hey it says in big letters on the mochi website that since they don't use a contract we're allowed to use other sites as well. i was just wondering what tomFulp would have to say about it ... but i guess mochi wouldn't be too happpy about me using another direct competitor so ...

You are welcome to try both, as long as no one else has an issue with it. Just don't run them both at the exact same time - you'll get better results if you provide value and good presentation for the advertisers.

As for stats, so far games tend to generate $0.50-1.60 per 1000 views (no promises though!). Some of the better games have consistently performed above $1.50 per 1000 views. The revenue comes from a mix of click (CPC), view (CPM) and action (CPA) ads.

I've seen a small number of games perform in the 0.30 range, but that is likely due to the ad placement and the type of game.

Movies tend to perform much lower than games, generally in the $0.20-0.30 range. Movies also earn a lot less because they don't spread the way games do. They generally just spread to YouTube, where the ads get ripped out by video rippers. Games spread to thousands of gaming sites, where they get a lot more total traffic.

Overall I would hate to see EVERY piece of content on NG run an ad just because they can. If you don't think your Flash will ever get over 50,000 views, you might as well just give it to people without the annoyance of an ad (although we've tried to keep them very low-impact). If you've worked hard on something and expect it to be popular, though, the ad is a great way to get paid back for your hard work!

And yes, the ads also help NG, but anything that helps NG ultimately helps the people who submit to NG. We have a lot of plans that will come to fruition with the success of this system!


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This sounds awesome! I'm gonna try it out for my new tut coz thats probably my best submission lol

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At 4/9/08 08:33 AM, TomFulp wrote:
And yes, the ads also help NG, but anything that helps NG ultimately helps the people who submit to NG. We have a lot of plans that will come to fruition with the success of this system!

The new topless juice bar at the NG office isn't gonna pay for itself people!

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At 4/9/08 07:26 AM, Powergames wrote: since neither this nor mochi are contract deals would i be allowed to add both (to one submission) by, for example adding one in the preloader and one in between levels?
or would that be cheaing? :~(

I don't think that's cheating, but over-using ads will likely be a turn-off to players and end up hurting your earnings more than helping, unless you have really long levels. Our ads don't force a 10-second view time either so maybe they wouldn't be as annoying in-between levels.

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At first when I looked at this thread I could have sworn it said AIDS TRY THEM, and I was like WTF and then opened it and it was this. What a relief, this looks like a really cool idea. I might do something with these ads, only when I get a video or a game worth viewing ^_^

you should have a hawian punch fountain that would be so awesome.

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At 4/9/08 08:33 AM, TomFulp wrote: As for stats, so far games tend to generate $0.50-1.60 per 1000 views (no promises though!). Some of the better games have consistently performed above $1.50 per 1000 views. The revenue comes from a mix of click (CPC), view (CPM) and action (CPA) ads.

I guess it depends on your type of game :P $1,000 for a game which scores 1,000,000 - odd views is something you could make less-riskily from a sponsor in many cases.

I'll probably use these for any smaller games. I'll stick with solid sponsorships for anything I spend a huge amount of time on, though.

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Wow, this is cool. Its on my animation for beginners submission. Its so cool telling you the version!

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I just wanted to pipe in and say that in-game ads and sponsorships are NOT mutually exclusive. You can get them both! This goes for any in-game advertising network you wish to use. You just have to make sure you negotiate the exact terms with your sponsor.

And as a shameless plug, as always, we can help you with this and many other sponsorship/licensing related issues at FlashGameLicense.com


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At 4/9/08 08:33 AM, TomFulp wrote: Movies tend to perform much lower than games, generally in the $0.20-0.30 range.

I added together all my views from every solo submission i have submitted (13 of them)
Divided that by 1000
Then multiplied it by 0.30

I discovered that I would have earned $7.91
haha!!

So I guess it only truely worth it if you knew your submission was going to be gaining lots of attention. Such as if it's part of a successful series.

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At 4/9/08 06:32 PM, Goat-Man wrote: Divided that by 1000

Why would you do that?

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At 4/9/08 06:48 PM, MrMacro wrote:
At 4/9/08 06:32 PM, Goat-Man wrote: Divided that by 1000
Why would you do that?

To see how much he would get.
Since it was about 0.30/1000 views.

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At 4/9/08 07:27 PM, GuyWithHisComp wrote: To see how much he would get.
Since it was about 0.30/1000 views.

I feel stupid.

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At 4/9/08 08:16 PM, MrMacro wrote:
At 4/9/08 07:27 PM, GuyWithHisComp wrote: To see how much he would get.
Since it was about 0.30/1000 views.
I feel stupid.

Don't worry, I forgot to do that the first time I tried too.
So I came out with like $7900 or something like that.
I was like wtf!?!?

GAH!

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I misread the title of this thread.. At first I thought you were going to pay us to make flash ads.. and I was like heck yeah! Then I read the thread.. Oh well, it is a great idea and I hope it earns everyone involved much money...

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