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I was wondering what sorts of software you guys use to finally master your track whats it finished production? ...

I've heard of iZotope RX and Steinberg WaveLab, are there any others?

- I did search for a similar thread before posting ..


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Some programmes have really good mastering software built in. Logic, on the Mac, has about 32 EQ's for you to mess around with and stuff, and theres alternatives on the PC, which arent really as good, but the functions on your production software should be able to do it for you.

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I never really 'Master' a song, all i do is EQ it within FL. I've only recently been expermenting with external application's for mastering, and to be honest i don't really see much of a difference.
but nevertheless Mastering is like, the most important stage of anythings slolsololsolaoslrofls

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Well.. I get the impression that you think that mastering is equal to loading your tracks in some hella expensive program, pressing a few buttons, and then having a song that is a brazillion times better than the one you putted in..

BUT.. This isn't the case, mastering is giving your recording "the final touch." Theese things are considered to master a track:
*Adding Reverb, to single or all tracks
*Panning the tracks and making full use of stereo speakers
*Cutting off frequencies so that one sound doesn't drown another
*Simply making sure that everything is as loud or silent as it should be

And mastering is the most important stage....Ok right, it isn't.. But its somehting everyone should do, since it can seperate the "pro" sounding tracks from the "n00b" sounding ones..

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Mastering is a big pain in the ass for most musicians (for those who can't afford to have it done professionally... like me!) Basically, most audio-creation programs can also help you master tracks with EQ filters. It comes down to finding trouble sounds and fixing them through EQ management. Sometimes it takes 5 minutes, but sometimes... you may never get it perfect.

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At 4/7/08 12:32 PM, PandaKore wrote: I've heard of iZotope RX and Steinberg WaveLab, are there any others?

RX isn't a mastering plugin, its an audio restoration plugin, meant to clean up audio tracks that you ripped from a Vinyl record. Izotope Ozone is a mastering plugin.

Now, what SolidElectro said isn't completely wrong, but its not completely right, either. What mastering WAS used to be making the recorded audio sound better through the use of EQ, compression, and other minor details, but, in the past 10 or 20 years, its become a whole lot more. Back then, people had gigantic multi-track mixes, and it was tough to get it all combined, and souning good. Now, that's easy, so its the finer points that matter much more.

Yes, a master does separate an amateur from a professional song. It also takes expensive speakers to be able to do a GOOD master, along with good plugins and such, but a decent home-master can be done just using FL Studio's plugins.

The first step is optional: it's enhancing the stereo field, to bring out more panning, or width, to your song. You can use Fruity Stereo Enhancer to do this, just turn the knob towards the "+" side until it sounds wide, without sounding TOO wide... You'll know when it is that.

Next up is EQing. This is the most difficult part. What you need to do is listen to it, or get someone else to listen to it, on good monitors or headphones, in an environment with optimal acoustics. Now, isolate the specific frequencies that might need some work, like the lows, mids, or highs. For cuts, which you will most often be doing, get a round filter shape, but not too wide, or you will affect too many instruments. The point here is to get the cuts almost transparent, but to fix a little bit of the song. Many of these tiny cuts will add up. If you are doing a boost, use a wide bandwidth to make it usable. Do not boost too much, or it will clip, and that's a serious problem.

Once you've finished EQing, on to step 3, one of the most important in today's music: compression or limiting. Compression, as you probably know, has an attack time that can be altered. This is not transparent in any way, and will increase the general punch of the song, possibly with as little audible distortion as possible. If you're going for something that will be heard, but not too much, use a limiter. The little spikes in volume you hear are called "transients." The purpose of a limiter is to increase the volume of the sound to cut off the transients without causing distortion. This might be a good thing, or a bad thing, as it can make your mix loud and "professional," or flat and lacking punch, as with much music on the radio today. Use the FL Limiter (new in FL8) or another compressor/limiter to do this.

This "last" step blends with all the other steps, but can make or break a good mix. This is where hardware comes into account. There are two types of clipping: Digital clipping, or "hard" clipping, and "Analog" clipping, or "soft" clipping. This isn't actually soft clipping as you probably know it, but it does function in a similar fashion. You see, when the volume goes above 2 in FL Studio, the song clips, causing audible distortion, making it VERY noisy. This is also why renders don't always sound the same before and after you bounce them. However, Limiters and compressors will remove this, so it isn't a problem. This same "problem," when applied to Analog hardware, can be a GOOD thing! This analog equipment distorts gradually as it clips, causing a form of "warmth" or saturation (as its called), by the overdriving of this audio equipment. It can be very pleasing to hear, and will increase the harmonics and overall warmth of a track. Generally, most mixers can do this, and tube amps can too, all with good effects. These are what REALLY separates pro from amateur, as most bedroom producers (including myself), can't afford expensive hardware just for a bit of warmth. However, consider investing in a small analog mixing board: it can really improve your sound.

The truth final step is dithering. As electronic musicians, we don't need to worry about that as much. Dithering decreases the sample rate of the song down to 44.1 khz, so that it can be played by most devices. FL Studio uses a 32 bit engine, and I think Reason has a 24 bit engine. This is just a little bit of final polish, don't worry about it too much. In other words, if you're going to use your export as a sample, like a kickdrum or something, disable dithering. If its going to be for a song, something to be used by someone with a different DAW, or something you want to listen to on Windows Media Player or iTunes, enable dithering. That's all there is to it.

What I'm trying to say here is that mastering is a fine art, but it can be unnecessary. In fact, if you try to master a bad MIX, then it will sound worse than it did before. You know the saying; You can't polish a turd. So focus on getting good mixes. Take those compressors/soft clippers of the master track, and LOWER INDIVIDUAL INSTRUMENT VOLUMES INSTEAD! That's the key to a good mix. If you are going to get it mastered, then they can bring the volume up then. Otherwise, do a bedroom master like described above. The Limiter will compensate for the lack of volume!

In summary: get a good mix, then master later.

I'll master some tracks for you guys if you want, I'm learning and taking a course on audio engineering now, and its really helping. Its hard to master your own work really well, as you know what you WANT to hear, rather than what people actually will hear, so I'm always welcome to take a look. Just send me a .wav file, make sure to disable dithering.

I hope this helps!

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Wouldn't that just be mixing? I mean isn't/wasn't mastering making the tracks of an album sound similar, like similar levels and volume?


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At 4/7/08 03:33 PM, SolidElectro wrote: Well.. I get the impression that you think that mastering is equal to loading your tracks in some hella expensive program, pressing a few buttons, and then having a song that is a brazillion times better than the one you putted in..

BUT.. This isn't the case, mastering is giving your recording "the final touch." Theese things are considered to master a track:
*Adding Reverb, to single or all tracks
*Panning the tracks and making full use of stereo speakers
*Cutting off frequencies so that one sound doesn't drown another
*Simply making sure that everything is as loud or silent as it should be

And mastering is the most important stage....Ok right, it isn't.. But its somehting everyone should do, since it can seperate the "pro" sounding tracks from the "n00b" sounding ones..

I have the correct definition of mastering. I didn't ask for a lecture, I asked for software. Software to accompany the above. And most of what you said can or is done during the mix-down ...

So...Does anyone have some software recommendations? :D


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At 4/7/08 04:34 PM, JoeyNukes wrote: Wouldn't that just be mixing? I mean isn't/wasn't mastering making the tracks of an album sound similar, like similar levels and volume?

Absolutely not. That doesn't even exist... Its called sound check in iTunes. As long as every track has the same mastering engineer and producer, all the mixing and volume levels will be similar.

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At 4/7/08 05:06 PM, PandaKore wrote: So...Does anyone have some software recommendations? :D

Did you just skip my post completely? I told you how to master with JUST FL STUDIO PLUGINS. You don't need expensive shit to get a decent master.

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At 4/7/08 05:33 PM, Nav wrote:
At 4/7/08 04:34 PM, JoeyNukes wrote: Wouldn't that just be mixing? I mean isn't/wasn't mastering making the tracks of an album sound similar, like similar levels and volume?
Absolutely not. That doesn't even exist... Its called sound check in iTunes. As long as every track has the same mastering engineer and producer, all the mixing and volume levels will be similar.

actually, that's what mastering really is...or part of it. mastering is making sure that your album sounds good on any medium it is played on & assuring that there isn't any volume swells, that's what they stick the limiters on for. get everything sounding loud at a consistent rate
the process of mixing is were you get your music to gel together, sound coherent, proper masking, avoid phasing etc etc.

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At 4/7/08 05:43 PM, xXDathDalerXx wrote: actually, that's what mastering really is...or part of it. mastering is making sure that your album sounds good on any medium it is played on & assuring that there isn't any volume swells, that's what they stick the limiters on for. get everything sounding loud at a consistent rate
the process of mixing is were you get your music to gel together, sound coherent, proper masking, avoid phasing etc etc.

Of course, but its not just "getting the levels right." That can pretty much be applied to anything. And that definition doesn't apply so much for electronic music as it does recorded music.

At 4/7/08 05:47 PM, JoeyNukes wrote: http://homerecording.com/mastering.html

"...but there's lots more to it than that."

And that site is, again, for NOT ELECTRONIC MUSIC. Its completely different for EDM.

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But I was just getting at the jist of it. Gotta be so anal, gawd.


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At 4/7/08 07:01 PM, JoeyNukes wrote: But I was just getting at the jist of it. Gotta be so anal, gawd.

Sorry, the one thing I hate most is misinformation. And boy does Newgrounds have a lot of that. You know what they say: Fight each battle like it's life or death.

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no one can master one thing it is always growing

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I could've swore this thread was called .. "Mastering Software?"

Not ... "Lets Bicker About The Definition Of Mastering!"

I asked a simple question. Can I get a simple answer? ...

And thank you for that link there Joey! :)


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UAD plugs ;)


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At 4/8/08 08:23 AM, B0UNC3 wrote: UAD plugs ;)

As sad as it may sound, this is probably the only real answer in the thread.

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someone already gave you the answer...mastering has more to do with ears than plugins
but as for plugins, some of the most revered are the waves bundles
http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=90

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You could use adobe audition or pro tools

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There's a program called AAMS that automatically masters a track for you. You have to have the song in .wav format first then you can convert it from its mastered form. It works really good without a lot of hassle. Google it, I forgot the website


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At 4/10/08 06:46 PM, Nofets wrote: There's a program called AAMS that automatically masters a track for you. You have to have the song in .wav format first then you can convert it from its mastered form. It works really good without a lot of hassle. Google it, I forgot the website

I looked it up... looks like shit. How can a program know what only your ears can tell you? I've talked to professionals who master music for a living. The biggest tip they give is: Use your ears. In fact, in the class I am taking, I asked for a spectrum analyzer when we were mastering... He said "Why trust your eyes over your ears?" And denied me access.

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Sony SoundForge is supposed to be beast, what price range were you looking for?

Nav, are you in high school? 'Cause if you are, that sounds like a pretty ballin' school.


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At 4/10/08 07:25 PM, JoeyNukes wrote: Nav, are you in high school? 'Cause if you are, that sounds like a pretty ballin' school.

Yeah, but that's not a High School course. It was offered at the recording studio in town... I'm the only high schooler in it. The place is amazing, there's like 6 hardware compressors/EQs/whatevers all stacked up in a rack. There's a dual-monitor display, and all the hardware can be controlled externally from the second screen. Also, there's a 24-track mixer on the desk, and 3 different sets of monitors... Its amazing.

The bottom part, where the recording is done, is more amazing. First, you walk into the room, and everything goes quiet. Inside that sound-proof room is a Grand Piano, a Rhodes, a Wurlitzer, and a Clavinet, along with expensive Mics and really cool angular design. There's also an isolation room, for a single player, that I haven't been in, but is probably REALLY quiet.

Its an awesome course, its mostly for recording and that kind of stuff, but I brought in this song, and we listened to it on monitors, and did some selective EQing work. It was a lot of fun. Next class is going to be about Mics, so its not the most interesting topic, but I hope to learn from it, as I've never really recorded music before.

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Huh, thats really cool man! Eating up your bank I bet though, eh? Still has to be an amazing experience and would probably look great when applying to somewhere like Berkley.


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At 4/10/08 06:56 PM, Nav wrote:
At 4/10/08 06:46 PM, Nofets wrote: There's a program called AAMS that automatically masters a track for you. You have to have the song in .wav format first then you can convert it from its mastered form. It works really good without a lot of hassle. Google it, I forgot the website
I looked it up... looks like shit. How can a program know what only your ears can tell you? I've talked to professionals who master music for a living. The biggest tip they give is: Use your ears. In fact, in the class I am taking, I asked for a spectrum analyzer when we were mastering... He said "Why trust your eyes over your ears?" And denied me access.

Har-bal is a much better option than this. I wouldn't trust it with my life. Kinda like the fantastically sh***y automatic color balance on the cheapie Microsoft photo editor? Yeah, probably.

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At 4/10/08 11:03 PM, JoeyNukes wrote: Huh, thats really cool man! Eating up your bank I bet though, eh? Still has to be an amazing experience and would probably look great when applying to somewhere like Berkley.

Nahh, its a bit of cash, but its my parents' cash, so I don't really care that much. Its also probably not as much as you'd think, just a few hundred, and its the equivalent of a college course. The stuff there isn't for us to use, its for the artists who pay for recording.

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I never really do any finishing touches to songs, but I do use Magix music maker 12 deluxe to edit/arrange sounds and add effects. Works great for me.

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i use Magix Music Maker and E-Jay to mix my stuff properly
but the final stage of mastering i do it with the EQ in Winamp

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