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I scanned in this guys card today at the gym and it siad his name was Jesus. The son of God works out at my work. OMG. SOmeone call the Pope, there has been a sighting.

Is there a Jesus Christ or is it just a name?I mean the only way we think theres a god is cause we "think"..

At 9/26/03 03:19 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: In pictures, Jesus is depicted as White with Red Hair?

He was born in the Middle East. How likely do you think this would be? Should he be dark haired and dark skinned?

Jesus is depicted as white with brown hair, although I do agree that due to the geographical location of his birth, his skin tone would likely match that more of an Israeli.

God believes only in the heatrs of those that believe in him.

At 10/10/03 06:27 PM, SouthPhillyGangsta wrote: Is there a Jesus Christ or is it just a name?I mean the only way we think theres a god is cause we "think"..

Jesus's real name is Joshua the Messiah. Joshua being Jesus in hebrew and christ being the hebrew word for messiah. this jsut proves a poing about the hebrew bible being the one that isnt fucked up

I feel bad for Joesph, I mean first God knocks up his wife or gf whatever the rlationship was, then God runs off back up to his cloud or where ever he lives, leaving Joesph to care for the baby. If you think about it, God is actually a dead beat father who Im sure doesnt pay child support, dooming Joesph and Mary to a life of poverty.

At 10/14/03 04:24 PM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: I feel bad for Joesph, I mean first God knocks up his wife or gf whatever the rlationship was, then God runs off back up to his cloud or where ever he lives, leaving Joesph to care for the baby. If you think about it, God is actually a dead beat father who Im sure doesnt pay child support, dooming Joesph and Mary to a life of poverty.

that is possibly the most hysterical way to look at mary getting pregnant *standing ovation*

god bless america....to poverty

1: Jesus' name wasn't 'Joshua', though it was likely pronounced similarly. Y'shua was his hebrew name.

2: My opinion: Jesus, with the belief he was the son of God, and is God incarnate, was still very human, or some believe. He would have had pimples, body odor, all of that. He was supposed to blend in, y'know? That's why so many people didn't believe he is/was the Messiah. He wasn't spectacular physically. He wasn't gleaming and pristine and never dirty. He worked hard, went to the bathroom, had gas. He just happened to have HUGE connections.

3: Islam and Christianity are only different in tradition and Saviour. As it's been pointed out, it's the same God. They even believe Jesus will come back to save the world as Christians do. But they don't believe he's the Son of God. They believe that the Bible is an outdated book, and that Mohammed (their prophet, and I can't be certain that's spelled right) was giving out a more updated and correct version of how things were/are/will be.

(DISCLAIMER: The above info about Islam was giving to me by a Muslim friend. He and I spent many, many hours talking about Christianity and Islam, and while he may have prettied it up a little for me (he was trying to convert me, actually), I believe he was truthful, in a very basic sense. He was obviously dumbing it up for me since I had no previous knowledge of Islam. If I'm wrong, correct me.)

At 10/14/03 04:55 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: 3: Islam and Christianity are only different in tradition and Saviour. As it's been pointed out, it's the same God. They even believe Jesus will come back to save the world as Christians do. But they don't believe he's the Son of God. They believe that the Bible is an outdated book, and that Mohammed (their prophet, and I can't be certain that's spelled right) was giving out a more updated and correct version of how things were/are/will be.

They also differ in fundamental beliefs. While they believe many of the same core things there is one difference between the two. Christianity is redemption through faith. Islam is redemption through acts.

Christianity doesn't necessarily believe in redemption through faith. Faith is good, but it is not the most important quality. Even satan worshipers have faith in god, they worship his enemy. However, many denominations of the christian faith (i can't say all of them) believe that one cannot PERSONALLY redeem oneself. Redmption comes from God alone, whose redemption of people is based on their faith and actions (much of this is also based on one's circumstances as well).

i was rsponding to something earlier on, and now i cant find the post. I just hope that my previous post is not confusing.

oh, wait, its right above my post. Never mind. I should be shot.

If you insist. Bang. Oh and I forgot to mention, if we are all children of God doesnt that mean he commited incest too when he got Mary pregnant?

At 10/14/03 09:04 PM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: If you insist. Bang. Oh and I forgot to mention, if we are all children of God doesnt that mean he commited incest too when he got Mary pregnant?

Yes, if you are retarded enough to take that literally. God can create whatever he wants. he doesn't need to have sex with it to do it. I mean, come one. Does anyone here ACTUALLY believe that christianity suggests that God had sex with Mary? What kind of backwater idiot do you have to be to think of something so stupid.

At 10/11/03 01:11 PM, Flotis wrote: Jesus is depicted as white with brown hair, although I do agree that due to the geographical location of his birth, his skin tone would likely match that more of an Israeli.

I agree with you whole heartedly, but I'm going to present the other side of the arguement -shrugs- But God is all powerful, and could make Jesus be any race God chooses...

At 10/14/03 06:39 PM, General_Patton wrote: Christianity doesn't necessarily believe in redemption through faith. Faith is good, but it is not the most important quality. Even satan worshipers have faith in god, they worship his enemy. However, many denominations of the christian faith (i can't say all of them) believe that one cannot PERSONALLY redeem oneself. Redmption comes from God alone, whose redemption of people is based on their faith and actions (much of this is also based on one's circumstances as well).

Actually, that's the exact opposite of what I believe to be true.

Faith is the ONE and only answer, not acts. Sure, fine, you don't have to repent as much if you don't sin as much, and it's a good thing morally speaking to NOT be an ass, but that ain't gonna get you into heaven.

'No man comes unto the father but by ME.' Jesus said that. I'm not gonna argue with him. I will, however, paraphrase him and NOT give a passage number because I'm tired, dammit! LOL

My belief: be good to others, do good things, because in LIFE, that will reap good benefits, and it makes you feel good. But when it comes to salvation, it doesn't matter how many people's lives I save or how many old women I help across the street...if I do not have that FAITH in Christ, if I do not believe him to be God, then...I don't make it.

As for the fundamental beliefs of Islam/Christianity being different, I do know that. ;) My point was to counter-act the idea that Islam/Christianity had almost nothing in common when, in fact, they have quite a lot.

My belief: be good to others, do good things, because in LIFE, that will reap good benefits, and it makes you feel good. But when it comes to salvation, it doesn't matter how many people's lives I save or how many old women I help across the street...if I do not have that FAITH in Christ, if I do not believe him to be God, then...I don't make it.

Well... if you do BAD things it does not matter how much you believe in god. If you like slashing kids' throats, but you fervently believe in God, thats too damn bad, your probably going to hell. Also, Vatican II explicitely stated that if one espouses to do the will of God, whether or not one believes in Jesus specifically, one still attains salvation. heaven is open to all good moral peoples. ALthough, Christianity is the TRUE path.

At 10/15/03 12:33 AM, General_Patton wrote:
Well... if you do BAD things it does not matter how much you believe in god. If you like slashing kids' throats, but you fervently believe in God, thats too damn bad, your probably going to hell.

Okay, and here we have a perfect example of Omniscience, Omnipotence, God being God. If you kill someone and say, 'I can justify it later, and be forgiven, so no worries...' Don't you think God sees and knows? It's a pure faith that's needed. Not one that USES God rather than needs him.

Also, Vatican II explicitely stated that if one espouses to do the will of God, whether or not one believes in Jesus specifically, one still attains salvation. heaven is open to all good moral peoples. ALthough, Christianity is the TRUE path.

I...don't mean to sound rude here. But the Vatican can say whatever it likes, I think it's bunk. Please don't get me started on Catholicism. That's a whole different thread.

I just thought about this, though.

The reason that Jesus is likely depicted as such a W.A.S.P. is beause that's how most Americans relate, or -would- relate, to a saviour. After all...how many Americans during the years of slave trading and the Civil War would have taken kindly to a brown-skinned God?

Ok, i see what you are saying. Faith would compell one to do good anyway. However, it is rather small-minded to believe taht if one does not believe in Jesus, one goes to hell (i am just assuming you mean this ffrom your statements on total faith). Are you saying that GHandi is in hell merely because he did not believe in Jesus specifically?

Considering where Jesus was born I guess he should have been dark skinned with dark hair. Also I see a lot of images of him as rather thin and small (except crusifixion images.) and considering where he lived and that he probably helpd his 'father' with the carpentry he would have been well build young chap.

And when he did that wandering into the desert and no food or water for 40 days no one called him a media whore.

Oh, good lord.

God@Heaven.org if it's so dammed important to figure out if he exists.

Anyhow, I always thought of Jesus as a white guy with long black hair, and maybe a beard, but not as exaggerated as people tend to portray him.

At 10/15/03 05:43 AM, General_Patton wrote: Ok, i see what you are saying. Faith would compell one to do good anyway. However, it is rather small-minded to believe taht if one does not believe in Jesus, one goes to hell (i am just assuming you mean this ffrom your statements on total faith). Are you saying that GHandi is in hell merely because he did not believe in Jesus specifically?

Small minded? No, it's called faith. :)

Small minded would be...me trying to convert everyone, or judging them or their actions here on earth, or all that.

I have faith in something, and it's unshakable. That doesn't mean that, logically, I could be wrong. Anyone could be wrong. There's no way to prove or DISprove the existance of God.

This is for a different thread, though, really. It's off topic from the original 'Why is Jesus white?' topic.

Jesus, for me, has never really had a face. I think, maybe if he did, he might look a little like...a brown Robert Redford.

Ok I dont actually believe literaly that were are all Gods children, I actually dont believe in the Bible or God. Im just trying to put some humor into the whole idea, to point out that those who take the bible literaly (like the reverand who wants to make the mat shepard statue) then they must take it all literaly.