12yo: Hero or Killer?

[TheMason]

Here's a Yahoo! news story about a 12yo who killed a 64yo man who was strangling his mother. Killed him w/a knife. The funny thing is authorities are examining whether or not to charge the kid.

Which brings up an interesting question: is there a difference between defending a stranger or a close relative or friends?

[CommanderX1125]

At 4/3/08 12:36 AM, TheMason wrote: Here's a Yahoo! news story about a 12yo who killed a 64yo man who was strangling his mother. Killed him w/a knife. The funny thing is authorities are examining whether or not to charge the kid.

Which brings up an interesting question: is there a difference between defending a stranger or a close relative or friends?

It saddens me to no end that the police are actually considering charges in this case against the kid. I don't know if I would call him a hero, there were possibly better ways to handle the situation, but we will never truly know, and it is hard to say what any of us would do in that situation.

As for defending a third party, it really shouldn't matter who you are defending if the situation calls for it, assuming the person in question is the one who did not instigate the issue at hand. Of course these are simply my opinions on the matter, so take them as you will. Hopefully I have answered satisfactorily for you.

[stafffighter]

The problem with defence of third parties is first of all if you weren't there when the situation began you have only assumptions as to who's in the right or to what level things are going. True there are indicaters most would deem clear enough but there's just no way to really know.

[Elfer]

The possibility of charges is always investigated when one person kills another person, no matter how clear-cut it seems on the surface.

[Grammer]

The boy should be given a medal... and a psychiatric evaluation as I can't imagine what he's feeling right now. 12 year olds shouldn't even look at porn, let alone a person they killed...

Still, he's a hero, I just worry he's been scarred.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 4/3/08 12:48 AM, CommanderX1125 wrote:

It saddens me to no end that the police are actually considering charges in this case against the kid. I don't know if I would call him a hero, there were possibly better ways to handle the situation, but we will never truly know, and it is hard to say what any of us would do in that situation.

A police officer uncovers a document within the house in which the mother writes to a friend that her and her son are going to murder a man for being non-white, and then fake a choking scenario. The officer goes to his boss with this information, but because they decided not to examine the possibility of charging the boy, the family has already had time to move to another country. Mad at his Police Chief for not examining the case closer, he calls him an idiot. This officer is then fired. His unemployment leaves to his fiancee walking out on him, causing him to delve into Alcoholism. One day, while drunk, the man regresses into a rage and slaughters 19 innocent people with a shotgun, before blowing his own head to pieces.

Remember that next time you wander why the police need to consider charging everyone anytime someone dies.

[KeithHybrid]

The kid shouldn't be charged. Isn't killing someone to protect an innocent justified?

[Shaggytheclown17]

At 4/3/08 07:32 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: The kid shouldn't be charged. Isn't killing someone to protect an innocent justified?

Yeah it is, but there are alot of inner questions with that.
If the kid didn't want to kill the person, which I hope he didn't, he still was defending that other person, whether that guy was really going to kill the woman would be another thing, and lastly the boy probably was trying to injure the guy so he would stop but probably accidentally mortally wounded him.

Killing is still wrong, you can be sorry for it, but only the person knows if they're really sorry or not.

[Korriken]

OH MY GOD!! HE DEFENDED SOMEONE! Self defense is a BIG no no! didn't he know he was supposed to call the cops, then lock himself in his room and wait for the cops to show up? oh my god, this kid needs to go to prison for MURDERING this guy! I bet this law breaking rogue also has some independent thoughts in his head. he must be dealt with harshly and quickly for the safety of the rest of the nation before they consider defending themselves or others when attacked!

[KeithHybrid]

At 4/3/08 07:42 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote:

At 4/3/08 07:32 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: The kid shouldn't be charged. Isn't killing someone to protect an innocent justified?

Yeah it is, but there are alot of inner questions with that.
If the kid didn't want to kill the person, which I hope he didn't, he still was defending that other person, whether that guy was really going to kill the woman would be another thing, and lastly the boy probably was trying to injure the guy so he would stop but probably accidentally mortally wounded him.

Killing is still wrong, you can be sorry for it, but only the person knows if they're really sorry or not.

Yes, and the kid is sorry for having fragged the guy. However, given the emergency of the situation, this is one of those cases where the ends justified the means: bad guy attacks innocent, innocent's son, defended her with a weapon, bad guy winds up dead.

[AapoJoki]

If it's possible, it's always better to spare the life of the attacker while defending yourself or someone else from them. But I don't see how this kid had that choice. Any attempt to knock the strangler unconscious with some blunt object, for instance, would have been very risky, and it's quite likely that kid wouldn't have enough strength to do it. If he had stabbed the attacker in a less critical area, like leg or arm, it could have weakened the attacker a little, but a grown man could still kill both the kid and his mother. I don't know all the details of this event, but the way I see it, there was no clear way how the kid could have incapacitated the man without taking his life.

[Elfer]

Guys, they're considering charges because when something like this happens, charges must always be considered, period.

However, unless they find some extremely sinister evidence, they likely won't file charges, because it would be impossible to find a jury willing to convict, and it would also be a huge embarrassment to the department to pursue charges in a case like this.

[Grammer]

At 4/3/08 07:44 AM, Korriken wrote: OH MY GOD!! HE DEFENDED SOMEONE! Self defense is a BIG no no!

It's not self defense, but I get your point.

At 4/3/08 10:32 AM, Elfer wrote: Guys, they're considering charges because when something like this happens, charges must always be considered, period.

QUOTED FOR EMPHASIS AND TRUTHINESS, OMFG

[Idiot-Finder]

When he sees someone strangling his mother, something must be done before it's too late.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 4/3/08 01:46 AM, Grammer wrote: 12 year olds shouldn't even look at porn

Oh crap, they shouldn't? When I was 12, I did it all the time.

Does that make me a bad boy?

[Korriken]

At 4/3/08 12:35 PM, Grammer wrote:

At 4/3/08 07:44 AM, Korriken wrote: OH MY GOD!! HE DEFENDED SOMEONE! Self defense is a BIG no no!

It's not self defense, but I get your point.

please note I was being sarcastic.

I personally agree with his actions 100%. I would have done the same thing. except i woulda probably used the baseball bat i had when I was 12.

[n64kid]

At 4/3/08 12:36 AM, TheMason wrote:

The funny thing is authorities are examining whether or not to charge the kid.

Theres no point, I doubt they can prove mens rea, which then they would fail to show concurrence. He cannot be charged for homicide since he is not legally guilty for the murder. Theres also a question of necessity as he acted to prevent the harm of his mother.

Which brings up an interesting question: is there a difference between defending a stranger or a close relative or friends?

In the court system, no.

[Lindione]

I think they should look at the case like they would any other but they shouldn't press charges. The police would get laughed out of court and I think they got better tings to do than convict a 12 year old. I doubt he was a hero but definatly not a murderer (he is a killer by definition only).

[Grammer]

At 4/3/08 02:07 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: Oh crap, they shouldn't? When I was 12, I did it all the time.

Does that make me a bad boy?

Yes.

At 4/3/08 02:15 PM, Korriken wrote: please note I was being sarcastic.

Yeah I could tell

[TheMason]

At 4/3/08 07:42 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Stuff

Shaggy! WB!

[Shaggytheclown17]

At 4/3/08 04:32 PM, TheMason wrote:

At 4/3/08 07:42 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Stuff

Shaggy! WB!

wtf does WB mean?

[TheMason]

At 4/3/08 04:35 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote:

At 4/3/08 04:32 PM, TheMason wrote:

At 4/3/08 07:42 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Stuff

Shaggy! WB!

wtf does WB mean?

"Welcome Back"...I was trying to be nice. :)

[Proteas]

At 4/3/08 02:07 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: Oh crap, they shouldn't? When I was 12, I did it all the time.

Does that make me a bad boy?

No, but it certainly does have the potential to warp an otherwise normal mind.

Take me for instance. :-)

[LordJaric]

At 4/3/08 10:32 AM, Elfer wrote: Guys, they're considering charges because when something like this happens, charges must always be considered, period.

It is better to be safe then sorry.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 4/3/08 05:28 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 4/3/08 02:07 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: Oh crap, they shouldn't? When I was 12, I did it all the time.

Does that make me a bad boy?

No, but it certainly does have the potential to warp an otherwise normal mind.

Nah, porn doesn't warp anyone's mind. What fucks people up are the morality police who say it's wrong and immoral to take it up the pooper.

They convince kids that having sex is something bad and that your body is something to be ashamed of, which causes those repressed sexual urges and fantasies that eventually turn people into sexual sadist serial murderers.

[homor]

At 4/3/08 01:27 AM, Elfer wrote: The possibility of charges is always investigated when one person kills another person, no matter how clear-cut it seems on the surface.

the bbs ismade up of kids who don't really know how the sometimes shitty system works.

you words have fallen on deaf ears.

[Proteas]

At 4/3/08 05:55 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: Nah, porn doesn't warp anyone's mind.

It's subjective from person to person, like anything else. What you may find offensive may not be such a big deal with the next. But you'll have a hard time arguing the socially redeeming value of pornography.

As for the topic at hand, I say bravo to the kid involved. I'm more curious about what caused the guy in question to go and attack the mother like that than anything else, to be honest.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 4/3/08 07:44 AM, Korriken wrote: OH MY GOD!! HE DEFENDED SOMEONE! Self defense is a BIG no no! didn't he know he was supposed to call the cops, then lock himself in his room and wait for the cops to show up? oh my god, this kid needs to go to prison for MURDERING this guy! I bet this law breaking rogue also has some independent thoughts in his head. he must be dealt with harshly and quickly for the safety of the rest of the nation before they consider defending themselves or others when attacked!

I agree, how dare they send him to prison?

Oh wait, they didn't. What the fuck are you talking about?

[LordJaric]

At 4/4/08 02:07 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Oh wait, they didn't. What the fuck are you talking about?

He was being sarcastic.

[Shaggytheclown17]

At 4/3/08 04:46 PM, TheMason wrote:

At 4/3/08 04:35 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote:

At 4/3/08 04:32 PM, TheMason wrote:

At 4/3/08 07:42 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Stuff

Shaggy! WB!

wtf does WB mean?

"Welcome Back"...I was trying to be nice. :)

Ah, lol, thx