Negotiations with Terrorists

[reviewer-general]

Presidential Decision Directive 39; June 21, 1995 Subject: U.S. Policy on Counterterrorism

"It is the policy of the United States not to make concessions to terrorists. (U)"

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What are your thoughts on the policy of the US not to make deals to terrorist hostage-takers?

On one hand, giving concessions even once in order to save innocent civilians might incite more terrorists to follow suit to meet their goals.

On the other hand, these are innocent lives that are at stake, and can we really justify throwing those lives away for the sake of a policy?

Discuss.

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[Korriken]

While the policy gets people killed, Its better for the sake of the nation as a whole. If the terrorists know they can get their way by taking hostages, then they will be even more eager to take hostages.

consider this. a hostage kidnaps a person and demands something, we meet their demand. what do you think is gonna happen? every time the terrorists need some leverage, they go find an american citizen, capture em, and make demands. then they make a demand we cannot meet, like leave iraq. the person gets executed, then the family of the dead person goes on a big fit on how they let the person die and yet met the demands and saved someone else's life.

it just aint worth 1 life.

[MortifiedPenguins]

When you give a mouse a cookie, it will ask for a glass of milk.

[homor]

At 3/29/08 05:45 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: When you give a mouse a cookie, it will ask for a glass of milk.

if he gets a glass of milk, he'll then ask for 20 million dollars, a truck load of weapons, and a heil copter to flea from the police in.

[SmilezRoyale]

Lets make a Chart!

No Consession

Good things that happen

The Bad guys do not get their way

Bad things that happen

Someone or multiple people die

Concession

Good things that happen

They MIGHT let the hostages go, but doing so still remains at their leisure

bad things that happen

- They might decide to kill the hostage anyway once their enemy makes the concession
- They will be encouraged to kidnap and extort innocents due to the success of the endeavor.
- As a result of the above, the government will be forced to make even more concessions.
- Overall, more lives are placed in danger if dangerous characters get their way when the government makes the concession

[AapoJoki]

Of course it would be foolish to let yourself be blackmailed by terrorists, but I see no reason why the US government, or any other government for that matter, shouldn't take part in some kind of dialogue with their opponents, no matter how extremist they are.

[physicsman09]

The fact of the matter is this, these people hate us. They want us, our society, and our way of life, dead. They think that we are animals and sinners, they think that we are less than human. They believe this so strongly that they would murder in cold blood to prove their resolve.

There is no way to deal with these people, the only thing that will come of us giving in to them will be that they will milk us for all that we've got and then when they've milked us enough they will attack us again. These bastards don't respect life or anything that we hold precious here in the free world. These sons of bitches only know one thing, violence in order to get what they want.

There is no negotiating, no diplomacy, these people can only be met with the bayonet, not the olive branch.

[Slizor]

There is no negotiating, no diplomacy, these people can only be met with the bayonet, not the olive branch.

It's true. I'm still under constant fear of attack by the IRA. The British Government failed to wipe them out and I have to suffer the ever lasting threat of people who hate my way of life and want to kill my babies.

I'm also afraid of the threat of Eztel - I was in a hotel just the other day!

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

Not only should we not negotiate. we should refuse to even hear what their demands are, just to send a nice little "fuck you".

[tehconcept]

bomb tem assssssses!!!!11111111111111 usa wins

[reviewer-general]

At 3/29/08 11:13 PM, tehconcept wrote: bomb tem assssssses!!!!11111111111111 usa wins

I am ashamed of people like you.

At least other people can make this opinion known in a more intelligent manner.

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[Christopherr]

At 3/29/08 08:39 PM, physicsman09 wrote: There is no negotiating, no diplomacy, these people can only be met with the bayonet, not the olive branch.

That was one of the most eloquent things I have ever read on Newgrounds. Kudos.

Wonderful use of metonymy.

[dum1515]

At 3/29/08 08:39 PM, physicsman09 wrote: The fact of the matter is this, these people hate us. They want us, our society, and our way of life, dead. They think that we are animals and sinners, they think that we are less than human. They believe this so strongly that they would murder in cold blood to prove their resolve.

There is no way to deal with these people, the only thing that will come of us giving in to them will be that they will milk us for all that we've got and then when they've milked us enough they will attack us again. These bastards don't respect life or anything that we hold precious here in the free world. These sons of bitches only know one thing, violence in order to get what they want.

There is no negotiating, no diplomacy, these people can only be met with the bayonet, not the olive branch.

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That is true, but terrorist are not our only enemy... there are some men/women/children in iraq who oppose the United states being in Iraq, and fight\rebel against foreign military units, Im not saying all men\women\children in iraq fight\rebel\ and hate US. this is why I stated that because... private contractors\private military contractors hire\pay men into their organization, then these organizations are paid by military contractors\organizations (the bush administration for example) to do their bidding\missions. Since these organizations are not owned by any nation\military organizations any crimes, laws, and policies do not aplly to them because again they are not owned\bound to any thing. Let's take Blackwater as an example, for those who don't know who Blackwater is... Blackwater is a private organization being paid by the Bush administration to do Stuff in Iraq. Blackwater is not the only private organization in Iraq or in the world but they are known of because of what they're doing in Iraq...

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[Takeshima]

Then whats the mediator there for?

[SmilezRoyale]

I thought that this diplomacy thing was strictly about concessions.

Well, while george bush is very much against it, he has the greatest opportunity as an indefinite failure of a president to test whether or not diplomacy actually works with terrorists, all he has to do is try it for a few months, if it's a complete failure, we'll know about it for sure.

If nothing happens [persay] Obama can use diplomacy to win the war and be glorified for the brainchilding of diplomacy.

[Christopherr]

At 3/30/08 09:41 AM, SmilezRoyale wrote: I thought that this diplomacy thing was strictly about concessions.
Well, while george bush is very much against it, he has the greatest opportunity as an indefinite failure of a president to test whether or not diplomacy actually works with terrorists, all he has to do is try it for a few months, if it's a complete failure, we'll know about it for sure.
If nothing happens [persay] Obama can use diplomacy to win the war and be glorified for the brainchilding of diplomacy.

There really is not much to negotiate with now. We haven't had a hostage situation in a while, and the terrorist attacks are less in number.

I highly doubt we could negotiate with a man who wishes to blow himself up.

[Zeistro]

I say we deal with these Islamofascists the way Russian Spetznas did(If you're curious look it up).

I also say we grease our soldiers bullets with pork grease and whenever we kill one of the fuckers we fill his grave with pig's blood. That's only my opinion on dealing with terrorists, though.

[butsbutsbutsbutsbuts]

Never submit, never surrender.

[LordJaric]

At 3/29/08 11:07 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Not only should we not negotiate. we should refuse to even hear what their demands are, just to send a nice little "fuck you".

We should talk to them, keep them calm, then send in in a team with the fuck you.

[reviewer-general]

At 3/30/08 08:04 PM, LordJaric wrote: We should talk to them, keep them calm, then send in in a team with the fuck you.

Let's operate on the assumption that a military option does not exist inside a set deadline for executions.

Such as Operation Entebbe, where a military option did not exist until the Israelis managed to extend the deadline (by convincing the terrorists that they were giving in).

So, does giving in to the terrorists, or at least making it appear that you are, the only way to keep hostages alive?

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[LordJaric]

At 3/30/08 08:08 PM, reviewer-general wrote:

So, does giving in to the terrorists, or at least making it appear that you are, the only way to keep hostages alive?

I guess not.