Music Industry Opinion

[SeizureDog]

All this talk about free downloading destroying the music industry. Impossible. This is what whould happen.

Becouse of file sharing programs no one will bother the pay for any songs. Thats bad right? Not really. What we'll have instead of multi-millionaires doing music for the money. We'll have the same singers doing it just for fame. I see Newgrounds as a prime example of this. Plenty of people make the movies on here for public view. Not money. The way the music indeustry is going, the same thing is going to happen. I'm sure there are tons of bands out there that would love to be famous without the cash.

Anyone out there agree with me?

[The-Darklands]

At 9/21/03 11:04 PM, Seizure_Dog wrote:

The question is why is it only the record labels and the uber-rich stars metalica and previously Dre are bitching?

[Quiche]

Not entirely, but I like the way you think.

Without the means to support itself, the music industry will starve to death. Yes, many people will still continue to produce music but alot of artists will be forced to find real jobs and keep music only as a hobby.

Death of professionals, prolifferation of amatuers.

One of the biggest problems with the recording industry is the lack of innovation because the labels like only what can sell. If everyone stops bothering to hunt down niche artists, only the ultra-mainstream will survive to the ruin of all.

[shadowmoses-sol]

What it will do is force artists to produce quality albums at a reduced price. When the new AFI disc- sing the sorrow cam out i got it for 9 bucks. It was awesome. Same with the new Thrice CD- The artist in the ambulance. I have no problem buying CDs if they are affordable, and actually contain at least 12 quality songs. The music industry did it to them selves and now they are blamming everyone else. who in there right mind would pay upwards of 20 dollars for a cd with 2 tracks they actually like? you did it to yourselves bastards..........

[Avarant]

thats exactly it.. I'm glad there are actually people other than the people portrayed by the media who understand what's going on here. I buy cds, I haven't bought many lately because of a money crunch, but I would buy more if they were affordable. personally I'm in the music business, I plan on opening my own label and helping to be part of the death of these huge labels. But, also I'm in a band, it costs roughly 2 dollars to create a cd, and thats if you're going into paying the artists who draw the cover, paying for the copyright (even based on low sales as ours)

when you mass produce cds its even cheaper, down to 1 dollar a cd I'd bet, possibly less. the point is, the reason the price is so high is because of price gouging and all the middle men. if you're selling 500,000 cds, do you really need to be making 10$ a cd?
that also doesn't count the money they get from tours which due to ticket price gouging can be more lucrative than actually selling cds. Also, when you download the music, you are listening to the bands, which, personally I know I've found a few bands that I love that I'd have never found if I just bought cds. And I've gone to their shows and bought the cd later.

[karasz]

OK right here right now, can someone please explain to me how it is illegal???

[TheTio]

It is seen illegal because your not paying for the right to play the music, your just using it without the little (c) that comes with a cd cover

And sueing people for it? That is ridiculous, the record companies are dinosaurs....evolve or die, noone cares

[IamjustSci]

I definately agree, more people would buy if prices were low, but because of the money the companies are -supposedly- losing through filesharing, they keep the prices sky high. But you know, music has only been a big money-maker in the past century or so, and before that people essentially just survived if they were musicians, leading to more people performing not because they want to make money, but because it is something they love...which, essentially leads to higher quality. So to hell with the recording industry.

[Slizor]

Without the means to support itself, the music industry will starve to death. Yes, many people will still continue to produce music but alot of artists will be forced to find real jobs and keep music only as a hobby.

The music industry would live on, artists can still make money and y'know how? They're called Gigs, Concerts, live fucking music! I'd prefer to pay £5 to see a band live than £12 for their album.

[Ravens-Grin]

Also, doesn't the RIAA control 80-90% of the market. Isn't that a monopoly. Isn't there an act called the Sherman Antitrust Act?

Anyways, why do you have a red sperm squirming around in your sig Scaletail?

[bumcheekcity]

At 9/22/03 03:59 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote: Also, doesn't the RIAA control 80-90% of the market. Isn't that a monopoly. Isn't there an act called the Sherman Antitrust Act?

How much do you have to have to have a monopoly?

[OpIvy420]

People should not become artists, be it in graphic art, music, film, or theater, if they're doing it just to become rich. If that's all you want, you're in the wrong career. And the music industry is still doing extremely well, and musicians are still impossibly rich. (How do you think all these gangsta rappers are buying their platinum, bulletproof Escalades?)

There should not be a music "industry". There should not be giant corporate music factories churning out band after band that sounds exactly the same, trying to maximize profits and mass-produce in the same way any other industry would. The music industry, as long as we, the consumers, allow it to exist will always be bitching about how individuals are destroying their profits, be it with bootlegging, piracy, illegal covers, etc., etc.

"Illegal bootlegging costs the record companies millions of dollars per year. We've left the second side of this tape blank so you can help!"
Dead Kennedys

[FUNKbrs]

I gotta agree with Slizor here, musicians should earn cash for performances, not for selling copies of performances. You record it once, you sell it once. Or don't record it and sell it right out of the speaker. The Grateful Dead were the highest paid performers of their time, but strangely only had two hit songs, and NEVER HAD A TOP SELLING CD. Music is about live shows, the total package, not a cheap sliver of the experience shrinkwrapped and stamped into a little plastic disc with an illustrated handbill attached.

goddamn I hate the riaa....

[OozishMusic]

Lets put it this way, if your talking about a band like Metallica, they have alot of money in the bank, they can handle a few records not being sold, but the thing is they'll still be sold. When it comes down to those bands that don't have the amazing funding that the larger ones don't have, 10 some odd records not sold will make a major effect on the artist.

Realize something, the people who make music pay to make their music, it comes from their own pocket, and they earned what they have, and "stealing" their music offline or by burning CD's is very self-centered and egotistical. $50-$100 to Metallica won't matter, but to a band like Violent Work Of Art, or Teque, it will matter alot, because thats money that they should have earned.

People sell their souls to make music, no matter what the case.

[OozishMusic]

Also, gigs and concerts don't do shit for the artist, because the artist pays to be a part of those too, they PAY to play anywhere unless its their fucking garage or basement. Most of the time while a band is on tour, their losing money while their driving to new cities to proform, and most ticket money goes for funding the concert, about 25% maybe 30% goes to the bands themself.

My philosophy on downloading music.

I download music to see what a CD sounds like in case it's crappy and I can't return it. Or maybe I'll do a search on song titles like "I hate you" and see what pops up.

If the band is relatively unknown and sound like they're more than 6 on a 1 to 10 scale, then I'll buy their CD, if only to support them. Especially if it's a band's first CD.

[shadowmoses-sol]

At 9/22/03 07:59 PM, RuNzWiTSkiZZorZ wrote: Lets put it this way, if your talking about a band like Metallica, they have alot of money in the bank, they can handle a few records not being sold, but the thing is they'll still be sold. When it comes down to those bands that don't have the amazing funding that the larger ones don't have, 10 some odd records not sold will make a major effect on the artist.

Realize something, the people who make music pay to make their music, it comes from their own pocket, and they earned what they have, and "stealing" their music offline or by burning CD's is very self-centered and egotistical. $50-$100 to Metallica won't matter, but to a band like Violent Work Of Art, or Teque, it will matter alot, because thats money that they should have earned.

People sell their souls to make music, no matter what the case.

Do you work for the RIAA?? Do you not get the point? I would love to buy CDs if they are good quality ( Lenght, Sound, Good songs etc..etc) and affordable. Why the fuck do they have to sell them for 20 dollars or more? I only buy cds under 10 dollars ( afi, thrice, deftones) because anything else is robbery. Plus if the bands you mentioned dont suck and make quality, affordable albums they will be fine.....

[OozishMusic]

At 9/22/03 08:29 PM, ngWo_shadowmoses_sol wrote:

At 9/22/03 07:59 PM, RuNzWiTSkiZZorZ wrote: Lets put it this way, if your talking about a band like Metallica, they have alot of money in the bank, they can handle a few records not being sold, but the thing is they'll still be sold. When it comes down to those bands that don't have the amazing funding that the larger ones don't have, 10 some odd records not sold will make a major effect on the artist.

Realize something, the people who make music pay to make their music, it comes from their own pocket, and they earned what they have, and "stealing" their music offline or by burning CD's is very self-centered and egotistical. $50-$100 to Metallica won't matter, but to a band like Violent Work Of Art, or Teque, it will matter alot, because thats money that they should have earned.

People sell their souls to make music, no matter what the case.

Do you work for the RIAA?? Do you not get the point? I would love to buy CDs if they are good quality ( Lenght, Sound, Good songs etc..etc) and affordable. Why the fuck do they have to sell them for 20 dollars or more? I only buy cds under 10 dollars ( afi, thrice, deftones) because anything else is robbery. Plus if the bands you mentioned dont suck and make quality, affordable albums they will be fine.....

Trust me, I have my fair share of burned CD's, but when it comes down to it, its all stealing people rightly earned money. I get any CD I can get my hands on, I stopped burning a looong time ago, I just recently spent $30 on a Bela Fleck CD with 4 disks, and thats pretty cheap for 4 disks.

I don't work for anyone, all I do is respect the artists for what they do.

[Slizor]

Also, gigs and concerts don't do shit for the artist

They'll never make them super-rich, but I know some of my friends making a fair few quid off playing concerts.

Say a record makes like a $1 million for the artist, they've spent like two days recording it? Now is that fair?

Note: You have to think hard about this question as you have already been programed with the idea that "earning" and "what you get in your paycheck" are in fact the same thing. If you "earn" something, you deserve it.

[motif]

At 9/21/03 11:06 PM, miket311 wrote:

At 9/21/03 11:04 PM, Seizure_Dog wrote:

The question is why is it only the record labels and the uber-rich stars metalica and previously Dre are bitching?

because no matter how we rationalize it, we're stealing. I kept that in mind when i started downloading stuff. people think that because all these artists are rich, they dont deserve our money. to an extent, no (im not big on paying 18 bucks for a cd) they dont. Whos to say how rich is rich enough. Everybody hate these guys because they want what they worked for. i sure as hell would, most people say they wouldnt, namely because theyve never been held in such a position. long story short, the RIAA has a leg to stand on, i hate them with a passion, however, they are right in the fact that file sharing is stealing.

[OozishMusic]

At 9/23/03 02:51 PM, Slizor wrote:

Also, gigs and concerts don't do shit for the artist

They'll never make them super-rich, but I know some of my friends making a fair few quid off playing concerts.

Say a record makes like a $1 million for the artist, they've spent like two days recording it? Now is that fair?

Note: You have to think hard about this question as you have already been programed with the idea that "earning" and "what you get in your paycheck" are in fact the same thing. If you "earn" something, you deserve it.

Tipiclly an artist spends months recording an album, depending on if its real music, or just some irate band that plays 5 notes in 3/8 time and calls it "cool"