Caucasian Club?

[Divine-Idiot]

Okay. So fifteen year old freshman, Lisa McClelland, of Freedom High School (Oakley, California) wants to start a club, simply called the Caucasian Club. Her reason for doing so? "to solve issues of racial disparity." The high school already has an Asian Club, and Black Student Union.

So far, she has managed to collect some 245 signatures of approval that have come from students, and adults from various ethnicities. McClellend's own ethnic background is comprised of American Indian, Latino, Dutch, German, and Irish.

Not surprisingly, McClelland's proposal has met strong resistance, most notably, from local NAACP chapter vice president, Darnell Turner stating, "If her motivation is to bring harmony, as she alleges, this is not the way to go." In the past, there have been incidents of racially-based harassment at Freedom High, the most well remembered being the few times a black teacher found nooses; one time being a shoelace noose found dangling around the doorknob of his classroom, and the other found hanging from a redwood tree on campus.

[IllJyll1187]

Well I mean if she wants to start a club that explores the cultural and historical background of people of european descent, then why not? We have gay/straight alliances, why not a complete race alliance?
Only through a search for the truth can we ever hope to find understanding of the world around us

[wdfcverfgtghm]

It's offensive for white people to have culture or pride. That's only for black people.

Anyway, the term "Caucasian" doesn't even make sense. Caucasian is an antiquated term that lumps too many people together. I don't see it as any less ignorant or offensive than using the terms "Negriod" "Mongaloid" or "Australoid" considering that it's part of the same 19th century system of anthropological division.

[TheShrike]

The problem, AP, is that people will call it what they've always called it unless it's deemed taboo. And some people will still say it then.

Caucasian Club? ... We have one of those... it's called the United States Congress.

Seriously... The Asian Club at her school, the NAACP, etc, are more like support for vastly unrepresented ethnic groups than social clubs. There's no need for a Whitey club, because if you really need support from your white brothers and sisters, you can go to your local Klan meeting.

I understand where she was going with this... or at least in my mind, I want to see this as a tactic to show that all ethnic-focused groups promote more disparity than harmony. But alas, the gambit failed for this mind, and I see it as something designed, more or less, to promote discord.

[IllJyll1187]

*Warning: bad pun*
Hey you guys...how about an all-inclusive culture club?
^_^

[clichealias]

Whoa whoa. That's like saying "there's no need for an african american club, because if you need support from your fellow black brothers and sisters, you can go to a black panthers meeting."

Yeah... thats why its a joke...

[karasz]

Caucasian club???

So people from Georgia, Azerbajian and Armenia are finally aloud to be represented?

Finally social justice...

who really gives a shit?

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 9/19/03 10:32 PM, Shrikey wrote: Caucasian Club? ... We have one of those... it's called the United States Congress.

Seriously... The Asian Club at her school, the NAACP, etc, are more like support for vastly unrepresented ethnic groups than social clubs. There's no need for a Whitey club, because if you really need support from your white brothers and sisters, you can go to your local Klan meeting.

Basically what you're saying is:

Black people and asians are underrepresented; they have clubs that support them so that they can be represented.

White people are not underrepresented; they do not need clubs to support them so that they can be represented.

Correct?

If that's the case, then I disagree on three levels. First I don't see "Asian clubs" or "Black Clubs" (or whatever P.C. terms you would perfer that I'm not being racist about people who are segregating themselves on the basis of race) representing their race. Your example of political disenfranchisement of asians and blacks (from congress) is niether solved nor substituted by having a group in a high school meeting on the basis of their race. That isn't the purpose of these clubs so it shouldn't be applied to this girl's attempt at a caucasian club either. If political disenfranchisement was the problem being addressed, perhaps they would benefit more from making a club based on political action than skin pigment.

Secondly, whether or not there is a need for a social support group for white people doesn't matter (and isn't even the aim of this girl's club). This girl should have the ability to make one without the NAACP opposing it or categorizing it with racism, which obviously isn't anything slightly related.

Thirdly, I don't see why having black people (or any specific group) in congress would mean that black people are enfranchised in government. Being black doesn't effect that congressmen's policies. A political group who seeks to enfranchise themselves by basis of their candidates race seeks an aesthetic representation not a political one; that's purely racism and not political enfranchisment or representation. A politicans race has nothing to do with his ability, and a people's representation has nothing to do with politicans race.

[The-Darklands]

At 9/19/03 11:34 PM, karasz wrote: Caucasian club???

So people from Georgia, Azerbajian and Armenia are finally aloud to be represented?

Finally social justice...

who really gives a shit?

well if an analysis was made it can be infered that this is a thread devoted to the double standard. Why would that be taboo. It makes no sense. Anyway congress doesn't represent me. But instead of a caucasion club it should be something like European American club (which I beleive was already mentioned). To tell the truth caucasion american people actually have a very interesting history that doesn't nessecarily reflect in modern american culture. (ie not all asian americans sit around eating tofu and reading confuscious while practicing martial arts, but those could be things that would go on in one of those types of clubs) As long as she isn't doing this out of spite of the very real double standard then I support her.

[SteelSeraphim]

At 9/19/03 09:09 PM, Divine_Idiot wrote: Okay. So fifteen year old freshman, Lisa McClelland, of Freedom High School (Oakley, California) wants to start a club, simply called the Caucasian Club. Her reason for doing so? "to solve issues of racial disparity." The high school already has an Asian Club, and Black Student Union.

This post was about a legitimate topic. Until some *CERTAIN* people decided to get *SLIGHTLY* racist and make this some kind of "pro-skinhead" post. Most of the people on this site could take a conversation about why cats have fur and turn it into a pro-communist statement. That is called FLAMIN'.

Adios, ciao, cheers....

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 9/20/03 01:06 AM, SteelSeraphim wrote: This post was about a legitimate topic. Until some *CERTAIN* people decided to get *SLIGHTLY* racist and make this some kind of "pro-skinhead" post.

By the sounds of the original post the NAACP is trying to make it into a slightly racist pro-skin head situation.

[SteelSeraphim]

At 9/20/03 01:10 AM, AllPro_AnrkeePenguin wrote:

By the sounds of the original post the NAACP is trying to make it into a slightly racist pro-skin head situation.

Good little monkey! Here's a banana! (Im just kidding, I know what you mean)

Yes, a Black man yelling "Black Power!" is something which reminds us that the human spirit can never be conquered. But if a white man wanted to express pride in his ancestry and yell out "White Power!" or even "White Pride!" he'd be labelled a racist even if he only wanted to express his pride in his roots.

Well guess what Mr. I'm-proud-to-be-white? The Klu Klux Klan and other racist groups stole your catchphrase so deal with it.

Besides, all those clubs in schools and whatnot are meant to unite racial minorites who may feel uncomfortable being a minority at school.

The last time I checked, white people aren't a minority in this continent. So they don't get a minority club.

It's as simple as that.

[JoS]

Two things, Im from Canada so what exactly is the NAAcp or what ever the hell it is.

Second, why shoudlnt she be allowed to start a club based on her culture. I mean is it not hypocritical saying oh (and in no way am I being racist, or atleast its not the intention) the asians and african americans can have their own clubs, but this girl cant have her caucasian club. I mean what the hell, since when did we discriminate against racist, (which by not letting her statr a club based her ethnic background is) is it because she isnt a minority so its ok then to discriminate against her. Shut the hell up and find something worth bitching about, not about a girl making a caucasian club.

[adrshepard]

At 9/20/03 09:41 PM, punk_disease wrote: Yes, a Black man yelling "Black Power!" is something which reminds us that the human spirit can never be conquered. But if a white man wanted to express pride in his ancestry and yell out "White Power!" or even "White Pride!" he'd be labelled a racist even if he only wanted to express his pride in his roots.

Sounds like discrimination to me. But it's true.

Well guess what Mr. I'm-proud-to-be-white? The Klu Klux Klan and other racist groups stole your catchphrase so deal with it.

Damn them. Think of the bad name they gave to all the peaceful proponents of "white history month."

P.S. Anti-flag sounds like an idiot.

[JMHX]

Pride is minority-only. Of course I'm not telling the truth. Let her make the club, but keep it true to exploring the culture of Europeans and Americans. It's not like every white boy and girl who shows pride in their culture is out to cleanse the world of other ethnic groups.

[adrshepard]

At 9/21/03 01:44 AM, JMHX_The_Saviour wrote: Pride is minority-only. Of course I'm not telling the truth. Let her make the club, but keep it true to exploring the culture of Europeans and Americans. It's not like every white boy and girl who shows pride in their culture is out to cleanse the world of other ethnic groups.

Ah, I doubt if everyone could be that open to ideas. Just saying "negro" gets everyone steamed.

[dudeitsallama]

At 9/20/03 09:41 PM, punk_disease wrote: Besides, all those clubs in schools and whatnot are meant to unite racial minorites who may feel uncomfortable being a minority at school.

Umm...what do racial minorities need to be united for? Are they planning to rebel and carve off a piece of the US for themselves? Are they going to take over the school and make every month black/yellow/red/brown history month?

No. There are already enough cliques in school without students being further separated based on their race. The black student union, which I think is the most racist high school club currently in existenct, is the only club made specifically to separate one race from the rest. Asian club isn't just for Asians. It's for anyone interested in Asian culture (or so they say). Spanish club isn't just for Hispanics. It's for anyone interested in eating tacos. Why can't there be a club devoted to white culture? We've got just as much of it as other races. This isn't a white power club. Its founder isn't even white herself.

This club could educate students about important aspects of the white race. Why don't white people have rythm? Why can't white men jump? What's with all that sunblock? The answers to these questions and more at the next meeting of Honky Club.

The last time I checked, white people aren't a minority in this continent. So they don't get a minority club.

It's as simple as that.

So the majority gets less rights? How democratic...

[JMHX]

At 9/21/03 01:48 AM, adrshepard wrote:

At 9/21/03 01:44 AM, JMHX_The_Saviour wrote:

Ah, I doubt if everyone could be that open to ideas. Just saying "negro" gets everyone steamed.

Closed-minded "equality" seekers are just as bad as closed-minded racists at times. It's a cycle we will never break.

[bumcheekcity]

I don't see what the problem is. Id she wants to satart up a Whites Club let her, as long as they aren't being racist.

[Quiche]

At 9/21/03 05:45 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: I don't see what the problem is. Id she wants to satart up a Whites Club let her, as long as they aren't being racist.

Yes, but the problem is that the very idea to some people is veiwed as racist.

The Civil Rights Movement gave minorities the upper hand in any racial discussion out of embarressment from whites and though it lessened the part race plays in some areas, it created whole new ones.

PS: would you mind if I put your petition in my sig?

[The-Darklands]

At 9/21/03 09:58 PM, Quiche wrote:
Yes, but the problem is that the very idea to some people is veiwed as racist.

The Civil Rights Movement gave minorities the upper hand in any racial discussion out of embarressment from whites and though it lessened the part race plays in some areas, it created whole new ones.

well how about the club tries to get rid of that idea. given that by now a new generation has arrived. It would be rascist to say because they are white they are lacking ability to celebrate their race. I'll be damned if I pay for what people that looked like me (I'm irish) cause me to pay them for their ancestors misguided enslavement/oppresion. that's bullshit. Race should never paly any role in anything, its pointless eventually it will be 2 races anyway....humanity and people like american "BADASS" (rednecks, (the shit throwers, see monkeys))

At 9/21/03 01:48 AM, dudeitsallama wrote: Umm...what do racial minorities need to be united for?

To feel like they belong.

Why can't there be a club devoted to white culture?

There is one, it's called history class.

This club could educate students about important aspects of the white race. Why don't white people have rythm? Why can't white men jump? What's with all that sunblock? The answers to these questions and more at the next meeting of Honky Club.

Hoorah!

So the majority gets less rights? How democratic...

IN OTHER WORDS... They have a majority club, which is the country they live in.

[TheTio]

Bah, maybe the only reason she made this club was so that the NCAA or whatever the hell they were would close it down to illustrate the double standard

When god was handing out culture you were to busy being WHITE

[Nirvana13666]

I think if white people aren't allowed to show pride in their race because they are labeled racists it will eventually generate racism towards the other ethic groups that can have clubs and so forth. It is unfair because we all should have equal rights and by not letting her have a Caucasian club but letting the blacks and Asians have one it is sort of infringing on equal rights.

It is the same as when minorities get special treatment when applying for colleges even when non minorities are more qualified. The minorities see it as an advantage but it is just the government blatantly letting them know that without special treatment they wouldn’t be able to do it on there own. How is that treating all races equal

[SteveGuzzi]

At 9/20/03 09:41 PM, punk_disease wrote: Besides, all those clubs in schools and whatnot are meant to unite racial minorites who may feel uncomfortable being a minority at school.

The last time I checked, white people aren't a minority in this continent. So they don't get a minority club.

At the highschool I went to, whites were a minority compared to blacks and hispanics; there was not and probably never will be a Caucasian Club.

[Vyleside]

IMHO, to have equality everyone should have the same rights regardless of skin colour, so therefore, if black people want to start a black club, so be it, if asians want to, so be it, and if white people want to then they should be allowed to, otherwise there is no equality. There can't be harmony if one group is allowed to do something and the other cant, that simply breeds resentment.

Why would Caucasians need their own club?

[dudeitsallama]

At 9/22/03 02:43 AM, punk_disease wrote:

At 9/21/03 01:48 AM, dudeitsallama wrote: Umm...what do racial minorities need to be united for?

To feel like they belong.

Like they belong to what? A group where there are only people of the same skin color? How many decades ago was it that they complained that they "belonged" a little too much?

Why can't there be a club devoted to white culture?

There is one, it's called history class.

Nothing like Chinese history to teach people about white culture. The only reason history focuses more on whites is because they've played a greater role in American and the world in general than other races.

So the majority gets less rights? How democratic...

IN OTHER WORDS... They have a majority club, which is the country they live in.

Well then the minority already have clubs too: the ghettos they live in. I know all minorities live in ghettos because, if they didn't, it would mean that they are no different than the majority and your arguement would just be white-hating propoganda.

At 9/22/03 04:21 PM, dudeitsallama wrote: Like they belong to what? A group where there are only people of the same skin color? How many decades ago was it that they complained that they "belonged" a little too much?

What are you talking about?

Nothing like Chinese history to teach people about white culture. The only reason history focuses more on whites is because they've played a greater role in American and the world in general than other races.

Ok, so if whites are that much better than other races, why would they need their own little club?

Well then the minority already have clubs too: the ghettos they live in. I know all minorities live in ghettos because, if they didn't, it would mean that they are no different than the majority and your arguement would just be white-hating propoganda.

Name me a Black president.
oops, hahahahaha. Silly me.

Ok, name me an Asian president.
LOL! I'VE DONE IT AGAIN! Oh I'm so silly sometimes.

See my point is this, not only do white people constitute the majority of the north-american population but they own the place too.