Yes, and several of his scientific theories have also been disproved. Seeing as your entire point here was "Look, smart man socialist. Boo capitalists" you don't really have a leg to stand on here.
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At 3/16/08 06:00 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: So was Charlie Chaplin, what's your point?
People tend to say socialists are idiots.
Einstein didn't know how to read until he was 9 or 10. Does that mean that not being able to read until your early teens is good too?
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At 3/16/08 06:06 PM, kahncccp wrote:At 3/16/08 06:00 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: So was Charlie Chaplin, what's your point?People tend to say socialists are idiots.
No, just misguided. Usually someone who likes the ideas of socialism will be very smart, at least that's my personal experience. They just lack the understanding of human behavior that causes it to fail.
Our growing dependence on laws only shows how uncivilized we are.
At 3/16/08 06:25 PM, SEXY-FETUS wrote:At 3/16/08 06:06 PM, kahncccp wrote:No, just misguided. Usually someone who likes the ideas of socialism will be very smart, at least that's my personal experience. They just lack the understanding of human behavior that causes it to fail.At 3/16/08 06:00 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: So was Charlie Chaplin, what's your point?People tend to say socialists are idiots.
Any type of government could be called misguided because human nature is sporadic and unpredictable. Sure socialism gives too much room for an individual to rise to power, but an electoral democracy has far too many exchanging hands to go without corruption.
Those are all valid arguments but the OP's complete lack of an argument leads me to belive he's just going through his rebelious phase.
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At 3/16/08 05:56 PM, kahncccp wrote: An essay by Albert Einstein
Why Socialism?
I know where you're going with this, so I'm just going to cut you off at the pass.
Affirming the Consequent
Einstein was smart, I agree with Socialism's viewpoints
Einstein espoused socialist viewpoints
Therefore, socialism is smart.
Appeal to Authority.
Einstein is a brilliant man! Who are you question his authority on the matter?
Yes, and I hear Bill O'Reilly is actually quite the Athlete.
The point is, just because someone is good at one field doesn't make them idiots in every other aspect of life. Einstein being a great scientist doesn't give him an ounce of credibility in economic issues.
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Einstein was a physicist. I don't get this topic.
At 3/17/08 10:32 AM, Elfer wrote: Einstein was a physicist. I don't get this topic.
Exactly.
"Communism is the very definition of failure." - Liberty Prime.
The guy's just saying smart people are socialists, too. Since people tend to think of liberalism as a "mental disorder", to quote an infamous radio personality.
George Orwell was also a staunch socialist. People tend to think that socialism and capitalism are incompatible, when that's really not the case.
A socialist believes in "social netting" in that "a" purpose of tax dollars and government is to work for you as a means of protection against random, unforeseeable events that could otherwise screw your life over irreparably.
A progressive thinks that "the" purpose of tax dollars and government is to create a "social bubble" so that people are protected from damn near any social problem imaginable.
The two are completely different.
I must lollerskate on this matter.
Who in the fuck said a physicist had to know jack shit about economics?
"Communism is the very definition of failure." - Liberty Prime.
At 3/17/08 03:23 PM, Nylo wrote: The guy's just saying smart people are socialists, too. Since people tend to think of liberalism as a "mental disorder", to quote an infamous radio personality.
The reason it's thought of as a mental disorder is because of the sheer stupidity shown by it's adherents on a regular basis. Case in point; the guy who started this topic. There's no substance to it, he just posted the topic with a link to the article as though it were the argument ender.
The two are completely different.
You just said the same thing two different ways. All you've accomplished is to show you're ability to use a thesaurus.
Adolf Hitler was a socialist.
Mao Zedong was a socialist.
Joseph Stalin was a socialist.
Fidel Castro is a socialist.
All of these people fucked over their countries, brutalized their populations, caused more harm than they even came close to causing good.
With hindsight, which Einstein didn't have at the time, we can see that socialism in its extreme is an enormous failure that will continue to fail until the day that humans cease desiring power, until the day that any leader to ever get into position will be perfect, selfless human being.
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At 3/17/08 10:32 AM, Elfer wrote: Einstein was a physicist. I don't get this topic.
He was highly involved with politics, though. I'm sure a lot of people here know much about economy, but are not economists. Hell, my father knows everything about economy, and he's a doctor.
Who says a physicist/political thinker can't give an intelligent opinion on an economic issue? I don't agree with socialism in the least, but at least listen to him.
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At 3/17/08 10:03 PM, Christopherr wrote: He was highly involved with politics, though. I'm sure a lot of people here know much about economy, but are not economists. Hell, my father knows everything about economy, and he's a doctor.
Precisely, lots of people know stuff about economics, so the fact that Einstein was a socialist is not particularly notable.
At 3/17/08 10:10 PM, Elfer wrote: Precisely, lots of people know stuff about economics, so the fact that Einstein was a socialist is not particularly notable.
Ahhhh, that was lost over the net.
I thought you were saying he was automatically discredited, being a physicist.
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this topic = appeal to authority
argumentum ad verecundiam
At 3/17/08 10:40 PM, Christopherr wrote: Ahhhh, that was lost over the net.
I thought you were saying he was automatically discredited, being a physicist.
Nah, just that the fact that he was a socialist isn't really interesting, since he's not exactly a noted economist.
At 3/17/08 09:59 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Adolf Hitler was a socialist.
Mao Zedong was a socialist.
Joseph Stalin was a socialist.
Fidel Castro is a socialist.
Jesus was a socialist.
Gandhi was a socialist.
George Orwell was a socialist.
Martin Luther King was a socialist.
At 3/18/08 09:13 PM, AapoJoki wrote:At 3/17/08 09:59 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Adolf Hitler was a socialist.Jesus was a socialist.
Mao Zedong was a socialist.
Joseph Stalin was a socialist.
Fidel Castro is a socialist.
No he wasn't, more like... benevolent dictatorship.
Gandhi was a socialist.
Yes, a wacky Indian whose job it is to be overtly optimistic liked the idea of everyone sharing. Oh, and he was also racist. Whoever told you Ghandi was a socialist is first off an idiot, and is secondly apparently unaware that Ghandi thought blacks were subhuman, and therefore ineligible to his idea of socialism, considering he wanted to segregate.
George Orwell was a socialist.
Oh WOW an author... an author who wrote a book about the US becoming a dictatorship? OMG, what a testament to the logic of socialism!
Martin Luther King was a socialist.
Who Ghandi would have called a savage and subhuman.
Yay, Obama won. Let's thank his supporters:
-The compliant mainstream media for their pro-Obama propaganda.
-Black Panthers for their intimidation of voters.
At 3/18/08 09:40 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:At 3/18/08 09:13 PM, AapoJoki wrote: Jesus was a socialist.No he wasn't, more like... benevolent dictatorship.
could we actually use an example of the divine since technically there is no dealing with economic factors, there is just always plenty. he may have given bread and fish to all but when he started to run out he just handed out more, doesn't quite work that way even in a socialist system.
At 3/18/08 09:40 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Oh, and he was also racist.
Dubious claim. Kaffir was a very common word back then and Gandhi only expressed his arrogance towards the local, culturally primitive people, not, as far as I know, towards black people in general.
You could also claim that Abraham Lincoln was a racist, he used the word "negro" all the time and said that whites were superior to blacks. Btw, he was a socialist too, he thought Marx was a swell guy.
Whoever told you Ghandi was a socialist is first off an idiot
Gandhi was a member of the Indian National Congress party, which was moderately socialist.
George Orwell was a socialist.Oh WOW an author... an author who wrote a book about the US becoming a dictatorship? OMG, what a testament to the logic of socialism!
It's not any stupider than pointing out four "evil men", three of whom were socialists, to prove the superiority of capitalism.
That was my point. You can round up 4, 400 or 4000 good and evil people from various fields of expertise, who were all socialists, and none of it would make us any wiser on whether socialism is inferior or superior to other political movements.
Martin Luther King was a socialist.Who Ghandi would have called a savage and subhuman.
If they had met, I think they would have had a very civilized discussion in mutual respect. Gandhi eventually became much more enlightened than he was during his visit in South Africa.
At 3/18/08 10:22 PM, AapoJoki wrote:At 3/18/08 09:40 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Oh, and he was also racist.Dubious claim. Kaffir was a very common word back then and Gandhi only expressed his arrogance towards the local, culturally primitive people, not, as far as I know, towards black people in general.
That would be called denial.
You could also claim that Abraham Lincoln was a racist, he used the word "negro" all the time and said that whites were superior to blacks.
Did he call them savages? Subhuman?
Gandhi was a member of the Indian National Congress party, which was moderately socialist.
Pfft.
Hilariously weak argument.
It's not any stupider than pointing out four "evil men", three of whom were socialists, to prove the superiority of capitalism.George Orwell was a socialist.Oh WOW an author... an author who wrote a book about the US becoming a dictatorship? OMG, what a testament to the logic of socialism!
I didn't use that to prove the superiority of capitalism. To do that all I'd have to do is point to recent history, all the enormous failures of socialism. If I actually wanted to use YOUR logic and suggest the large amount of notable figures that were/are capitalist, it wouldn't fit in 10 posts.
This thread was based on boosting the idea of socialism based on Einstein being a socialist. I mentioned Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Castro to negate the idea that the people who propose the idea supposedly fortify it, not to say capitalism is superior.
Yay, Obama won. Let's thank his supporters:
-The compliant mainstream media for their pro-Obama propaganda.
-Black Panthers for their intimidation of voters.
question; in what book did Orwell describe the US becoming a dictatorship?
At 3/18/08 10:43 PM, SolInvictus wrote: question; in what book did Orwell describe the US becoming a dictatorship?
1984
TANSTAAFL.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
At 3/18/08 11:49 PM, therealsylvos wrote:At 3/18/08 10:43 PM, SolInvictus wrote: question; in what book did Orwell describe the US becoming a dictatorship?1984
Although its not called the U.S. its called, er some region or other. been awhile since I read it.
TANSTAAFL.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
At 3/18/08 11:49 PM, therealsylvos wrote:At 3/18/08 10:43 PM, SolInvictus wrote: question; in what book did Orwell describe the US becoming a dictatorship?1984
the only country that is without doubt a dictatorship is Oceania (which was composed mostly of Commonwealth countries if i remember correctly, and even then it may be only Britain). while the other countries are described as being dictatorships there is no history on how they became dictatorships or that they actually are since everything about them is told through party information and may be completley fabricated.
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