At 3/16/08 04:59 PM, poxpower wrote:
So why be a catholic if you believe some of your precepts are wrong?
Because I believe that there are more correct precepts in Catholicism than in any other religion.
No. Again political constructs never claim to be "the truth" as religions do. They can change at will based on LOGIC, religion should not.
Men are imperfect. The writers of the Bible didn't claim to be. We're working on getting ot the real message. See my last comment to Earfetish on that.
bullshit. And again the burden of proof is yours, you claim this thing happens, then there should be evidence of it. I'm trying to google it, can't find shit.
I believe in all those things yet am not religious, proving that these are not reason for your religion. Ridiculous.
You asked me for "a single reason to believe in a religion". I gave it to you, regardless of what you might believe in as well.
Holy shitmonkeys you're ignorant.
And you're biased as hell :/
Read a book on the history of the church or something :O
Oh. You mean the atheist's version? Naw, I'll pass.
K, lemme tell you what I said back there: there are limits. If and when clapping your hands constitutes an invasion of another person's privacy and/or offends an elevated amount of people, then I'll be against it, just like I am against farting based on religious motives.
So why don't we wait until they are older to teach them religion?
To give them the main idea, then give them the choice to go farther on the religious path, or pass.
Religion is taught to kids for the simple reason that no adult would convert because it's stupid
Again, your opinion.
and that is evidenced by the fact that religious people never jump from one religion to the next.
Check that one, single link I gave you thar.
This has nothing to do with my point.
Then you obviously expressed yourself wrong, since that's exactly what you said.
It's pretty hypocritical
Ah. 'K then, so long as we're on the same page.
Well obviously you haven't read the bible, like 99% of religious people.
More general assumptions. For such an un-ignorant fellow, you do strive to appear as such.
Again, what kind of catholic are you if you pick and choose from the bible?
Oh, you mean the part where I decide not to commit an atrocious form of suicide, when I read that "Give your heart to the lord" bit? Oddly enough, no, that makes me a better Catholic. Because OBVIOUSLY, no one wants you to rip your inner organs out of your chest, including the peopel who wrote the Bible.
Then he escapes yours as well so where the fuck do you get off telling me what he said is right and wrong?
The dispute here is whether he exists or not, not whether or not I understand him :/ you say he doesn't, I say he does, yet you can't really know all that much about him.
Besides, the Celestial Toucan escapes your understanding that women are animals and deserve rape.
I can understand the Toucan bit, but saying that women are animals would probably make me shun that particular deity. God, on the other hand, says no such thing, so I'm all for Him.
So you don't respect their RELIGIOUS BELIEF.
'Kay..this is what, the fourth time? I'm telling you that if that religious belief is openly violent, in an entirely literal sense, then yes, I don't respect that particular religious belief. All the other ones? Yes, I do.
That's the INTELLIGENT way to live.
No, that's actually the way that leads you to be suspicious of pretty much everything, and end up not knowing anything. Kind of like a dude driving defensively, looking in so many different directions for oncoming vehicles in order to avoid an accident, he never keeps his eyes on the road right in front of him.
Again if you knew anything about the history of your dumbass religion, you'd know that the high religious authorities killed people who went against these "non-litteral" parts.
Ah. So the folks that didn't tear holes in their skin, reach past their rib cages, and pull out their hearts, were executed? Smooth.
Only takes one and you won't have a single argument to sway them whereas if they were atheist, you would have plenty.
Oh. So we're supposed to shun religion, because one single person blows himself up? Uhm...no.
Apparently. That's pretty sad when you think about it. But feel free to try and challenge me on that.
"Lol" comes to mind.
Tell me what you know about San Marcellino, possibly without googling him.
"Good" muslims think you are a bad person because you are not Muslim like them.
Pft. Bull. They think I'm a person with different religious beliefs, not a morally corrput one.
Wouldn't you do ANYTHING to get to Heaven? Forever?
Fortunately, not all that much is asked. Plus, more than a week or so a year of pure meditation and prayer, along with constant weekly masses and such, is actually a lot to ask for.
Oh suddenly praying occasionaly is good enough to go to heaven forever?
You'd be surprised (which is weird, considering the wealth of your knowledge of Catholicism :/ ). Technically, all you have to do is ask for forgiveness (not just because you fear Hell, obviously), and you're saved.
And confession? Haha if you knew the fun they use to have with that a couple hundreds years ago.
Oh, please teach me the story of Protestantism and other such historical wonders! :( This "I know more than you, bwahahah" bit is getting old.
Since religion is purely based on faith, I think even you can see the hypocrisy in letting the government decide that religion X is "true" and religion Y isn't.
Alas, that's the world we live in. For time off work, that's what you'll require.
What the fuck would you say to that other dude? You can't disprove his religion either.
Nope. Guess it's up tothe company he works for to decide how much work he can skip, I guess.
Suddenly THAT MUCH violence is ok.
If you have to teach your kid not to stick figners in electrical outlets, do you spank him when he does, or give him a frontal lobotomy...?
Do you have a god-given "violence scale" printed out in the bible that tells you this?
See above response. Give me the same answer regarding the common instruction of children on safety measures.
It's mental terrorism.
"Don't touch the electrical wire, or you'll die."
Again with the semantic war.
What would you call it if I stabbed you? There, pick your own word.
Murder attempt. Assault.
Torture is harm for harm's sake, obviously.
No, religion is stupid BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SHOW GOD EXISTS.
Oh. I supposethis is the part where I tell you to prove to me that He doesn't.
Prove that I'm not a space robot from planet Lesbian-8
I can't :/ Greetings, for all the fuck I know.
There are no medical benefits and there are sexual drawbacks to it. And it hurts like HELL.
No, you were saying circumcision was necessary to show you're catholic.
Necessary? No. A show of faith? Yes.
Please indicate, exactly, where I said that you can't be considered Catholic if you're not circumsized.
So ultimately, your opinions matter more than other people's facts?
When it comes to circumcision, if those people haven't been subject to it? Uhm...yes.
Why? You're going to heaven. Embrace it.
Haven't had the time to prepare myself for death.
The simple fact that you believe in an afterlife doesn't mean that you welcome it with open arms at any point of your life.
Again...weren't you the expert? :/
I think I know what I'm supposed to do much much better than you do.
Ah. Touchè. Your logical, rational response to why you made this grand promotion of hostility (a.k.a. religion thread), is that you know what you're supposed to do. More so (*gasp!*) than I do.