My Opinion- Parody Vs. Original

[danomano65]

Hello, Dan here.

Earlier I was reading the reviews on my newest submission. I'm trying to start a new original cartoons series. There have been a lot of mixed reviews, to say the least. One reviewer, though it maybe my fault, nearly pushed me over the edge. They were unsatisfied with not knowing everything in the first episode. I know that from a writers stand point, if you are trying to make a story arch that reveals certain secrets as it goes, you must choose what to show and what not to show in the first act. It's my opinion that what ever is revealed is done so with purpose and should be seen as such. My response to him was lengthy, and probably an over reaction, but I still had been thinking of these ideas for several weeks. The response is below:

"you are one of many that have come to me with these questions. you are uncomfortable with not knowing everything immediately. i think this is why video game parodies are preferred on this site. no one wants to wonder, speculate, or theorize on anything. you don't want to think, you want to watch something that makes jokes about things you already have a firm knowledge on.

This creates a large gap in the community, those attempting to start something original and those who fuel the needs of the impatient viewers. i realize that i have made many parodies, and in a way i regret it. I am sorry for all the people that i stole awards from that made original content, while i created a spoof of something everyone already knows.

Just stay calm and don't shit yourself the next time you see something new, and don't know anything about it."

With that said, I would like to formally apologize to all those that were affected negatively by my parodies. Namely those who produced original content and released it on the day that I had released mine. It's humbling to say that I am coming off as a hypocrite, but I am not making any more video game parodies after my involvement with TSAH3.

Thanks for reading. You can burn me at the stake now if you like.

[austin]

Well, I agree with you. I see that many people like to know what's going on, rather than watch a story unfold. I personally like original things, as I like guessing what's going to happen, and seeing if I'm right.

[Peacekid]

God that guy is an idiot, I'm not saying that parodies are bad, but he actually thinks that all the original content isn't the standard.

[danomano65]

At 3/8/08 07:05 PM, Peacekid wrote: God that guy is an idiot, I'm not saying that parodies are bad, but he actually thinks that all the original content isn't the standard.

what are you talking about. there is no context to ur reply.

[Victory]

At 3/8/08 07:01 PM, danomano65 wrote: i think this is why video game parodies are preferred on this site. no one wants to wonder, speculate, or theorize on anything. you don't want to think, you want to watch something that makes jokes about things you already have a firm knowledge on.

Continue as you are, fuck what most people want.

Originality is the key, stick to what you're good at.

[MRat]

At 3/8/08 07:05 PM, Peacekid wrote: God that guy is an idiot, I'm not saying that parodies are bad, but he actually thinks that all the original content isn't the standard.

More importantly, original content really ISN'T the standard. I don't know if you've noticed but the highest ranked movie on the website is one of the least original movies on the website. It's called Metal Gear Awesome 2, and it features stale old jokes with characters from someone else's work.

More movies on NewGrounds are unoriginal, than original, It's fact, and isn't debatable.

[xXCostelloXx]

At 3/8/08 07:09 PM, MRat wrote:

At 3/8/08 07:05 PM, Peacekid wrote:

More movies on NewGrounds are unoriginal, than original, It's fact, and isn't debatable.

I think otherwise-Prove me wrong ^//^

[danomano65]

Continue as you are, fuck what most people want.

Originality is the key, stick to what you're good at.

i feel like there is almost a cult following to the original content on the site.

[danomano65]

More importantly, original content really ISN'T the standard. I don't know if you've noticed but the highest ranked movie on the website is one of the least original movies on the website. It's called Metal Gear Awesome 2, and it features stale old jokes with characters from someone else's work.

More movies on NewGrounds are unoriginal, than original, It's fact, and isn't debatable.

used to be the standard. even movies suck now. each one is a carbon copy of the next.

[ZekeySpaceyLizard]

FLASH! aaaahhhh!
Saviors of the Universe!

[Davood]

*doesn't read*

Without an original, there would be no parody.

My vote: Original

[gwammah]

your saying something like ummm... lets take a spiderman pardies. its like your saying everyone is spiderman then im umm venom, this is all a bunch of bull shit its like your saying im like fucking hitler, or fucking sadam hussein, when i find u the "Sadam" because your making all the shit up, (including that flash shit) this is all a bunch of bull shit you wasted your fucking time on that i hardly even read, i practically didnt even skim through it, so u just wasted lets say about an hour making those 2 pieces of shit stories

[danomano65]

At 3/8/08 08:12 PM, gwammah wrote: this is all a bunch of bull shit you wasted your fucking time on that i hardly even read, i practically didnt even skim through it, so u just wasted lets say about an hour making those 2 pieces of shit stories

well, it makes sense that you didnt read it because you sound like an idiot.

[MRat]

At 3/8/08 07:23 PM, xXCostelloXx wrote:

At 3/8/08 07:09 PM, MRat wrote:

At 3/8/08 07:05 PM, Peacekid wrote:

More movies on NewGrounds are unoriginal, than original, It's fact, and isn't debatable.

I think otherwise-Prove me wrong ^//^

Sure go watch every single movie an NewGrounds and then present to me a summary of each. If all your summaries are 51% original, then you're right, but if 51% are unoriginal, then I'm right. I'd do it, but you just wouldn't believe me when I presented my summaries.

I trust you though. I've got alot of love to give.

[gumOnShoe]

Don't apologize for doing what you do. Everything has its own validity in its own context. There is a market for parodies, so parodies do well. Don't ever fault yourself for making something that makes someone else happy, even if isn't original.

Although, I just watched your new movie, and then went onto the forums and saw this, surprisingly, posted here. I liked your new movie just fine, and its cool to see someone who knows how to write and animate. There's too little of it on this site.

Anyhow, you're doing a good job. Just start ignoring those who critisize you without reason or cause. Not worth your time. And thanks for the new animation. I enjoyed it. :)

[gwammah]

It is obvious that most of you have talent, so why did you waste it on that immature, pointless, disgusting, nauseating, aimless waste of time. This was a movie that seemed to rely on shock value to keep viewers viewing. Personally I got tired after the second anus stretch. I hope that didn't go on too long, and that I didn't miss some really good, entertaining part that didn't involve immaturity because I closed that after the cat was raped with repeated blood shed.
I have seen scatalogical humor before, and this isn't it. Timing poo to a song can be funny if done tastefully and isn't completely overkilled like it is here. There's only so much poo people can take before it isn't funny anymore; this movie goes so far beyond that amount that it sinks to the level of poor taste, and I couldn't even watch the whole thing because I got BORED. I'm thoroughly disappointed.

[REPTILICUS]

I have a vote of Zero for you buddy!! Now thats what I call a magic trick! Here's a good review for ya, maybe this will help you improve better by me giving you an advice. Go to a site that provides you a tutorial of art improvements and better ideas. Then you can finally submit your work on NG then, you can received the vote of 5 without demanding for it. You my friend is well-known as a villain not a hero. Oh and if you think I'm worse than you just because i haven't submit any flash that doesn't mean anything. I rather not submit crappy works than to keep them. Keep your crappy work in a file and don't submit it . You'll know the outcome of the score that your flash will receive. Think about it for a moment kid, you don't want to end up being like a homeless kitty who's unpopular, now do you?

[Aci6]

At 3/8/08 07:01 PM, danomano65 wrote: Thanks for reading. You can burn me at the stake now if you like.

what?
No, its the pathetic masses of people that should be begging for a bit of culture of something to think about, they take the site for granted, if you want to animate something different go ahead, some of the best flash I've seen on this site is not derivite crap spurning everyday here.
One day, it WILL get old.

[danomano65]

:There's only so much poo people can take before it isn't funny anymore; this movie goes so far beyond that amount that it sinks to the level of poor taste, and I couldn't even watch the whole thing because I got BORED. I'm thoroughly disappointed.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

[danomano65]

At 3/8/08 08:33 PM, REPTILICUS wrote: Keep your crappy work in a file and don't submit it . You'll know the outcome of the score that your flash will receive. Think about it for a moment kid, you don't want to end up being like a homeless kitty who's unpopular, now do you?

you completely missed my point.

[REPTILICUS]

At 3/8/08 08:45 PM, danomano65 wrote:
you completely missed my point.

ive tried to be nice to you in the reviews but all you do is make me angry.
For all the bitching that people do about submissions like this, they forget that its submissions like this that makes newgrounds as jawsome as it is. As for the movie, it was a bit lacking, but for what ya did have, it was AWESOME. Better than most of our flicks
i usally slag movies like this off but this one is quite funny for once ive seen rubbish on ere that the creator needs to b thrown off the cliff to knock sence into em but with this one its simple funny a great game to c which is the smallist pic and the song rocked
finaly a decent let's slag this movie coz of what it is
and trust me when uve seen the others u will think this deserves an award

[gwammah]

At 3/8/08 08:42 PM, danomano65 wrote:
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

The only reason it gets past judgement is:
It seems like there was no effort put into this at all. Maybe next time, you can try doing more than 3-4 frames of stick animation looped endlessly and it might good enough to submit, but as it is, this "movie" is nothing more than an animated .gif, the kind of thing you'd see on ytmnd, not here.
I was gonna be pretty nasty about this (That's right, I'm a jackass) until I read your response to one of the reviews, saying you didn't expect it to pass. Yeah, it was a crap flash, but what's concerning is that it actually got through.
That aside, I feel I've got to draw attention to the art of parodying. If you are going to, try to mimic them as closely as possible. It's alright having one or two areas slightly away from the real thing, but this wasn't even close.

[MRat]

I want to think you are joking, but I honestly think you really this stupid. You're making me laugh pretty damn hard here.

Anyway, everyone who doesn't agree with me is a moron. It's just science, folks.

[f0d]

At 3/8/08 07:30 PM, danomano65 wrote: i feel like there is almost a cult following to the original content on the site.

yep, sadly

[g0t]

At 3/10/08 03:42 AM, f0d wrote:

At 3/8/08 07:30 PM, danomano65 wrote: i feel like there is almost a cult following to the original content on the site.

yep, sadly

go chop that m0le off f0d

[Psi43]

oh hey finally. I think I told you exactly the same thing a while ago on one of your news posts, you shortly after deleted my comment and banned me from commenting on your news post things.

ps. I just had to bump this topic.

[TacticalShoe]

I respect you, you know?

I think you have true talent for animating and humor and frankly, I'd watch anything you put out. I'm not an animator myself, so I can't judge original vs. parody (or fan creation, if you will). But as a voice actor of sorts, I can surely relate on the relationship between original and parody in the sense that I enjoy creating original characters and others enjoy parodying famous characters. I respect them for their talent, if they possess it, and I respect myself for my talent.

[xXCostelloXx]

At 3/8/08 08:25 PM, MRat wrote:

At 3/8/08 07:23 PM, xXCostelloXx wrote:

At 3/8/08 07:09 PM, MRat wrote:

At 3/8/08 07:05 PM, Peacekid wrote:

More movies on NewGrounds are unoriginal, than original, It's fact, and isn't debatable.

I think otherwise-Prove me wrong ^//^

Sure go watch every single movie an NewGrounds and then present to me a summary of each. If all your summaries are 51% original, then you're right, but if 51% are unoriginal, then I'm right. I'd do it, but you just wouldn't believe me when I presented my summaries.

I trust you though. I've got alot of love to give.

i was foolin' though NewGrounds is a site of LULZ, the original idea get the max credit like Tankmen or Bitey's lil series. But Parody's are what the masses flock to newgrounds for. The laughter is what the sites built on.

[Phantox]

At 3/8/08 08:42 PM, danomano65 wrote:

There's only so much poo people can take before it isn't funny anymore; this movie goes so far beyond that amount that it sinks to the level of poor taste, and I couldn't even watch the whole thing because I got BORED. I'm thoroughly disappointed.

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

He's talking about how much your movies suck.

[Ragnarokia]

At 3/10/08 05:05 PM, Phantox wrote:

He's talking about how much your movies suck.

Thanks, I didn't want to bother reading that.