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At 3/7/08 09:34 PM, KennyD wrote: Is being athiest a way of not being responsible for your actions? I mean being a christian myself, what we belive in basically boils down to if you live a responsible, honest life, you will be rewarded with Heaven the place of eternal bliss, if not then you are punished in Hell, the eternal place of agony. However being athiest, there is no consequences for your actions on earth. No matter how good or bad you are, once you die, thats it.
I'm not trying to start a christian vs. athiest hate-fest, I'm just wanting to know if this is in fact, one of the reasons for being an athiest?

Well the reason i'm atheist is that i find the idea of a supernatural being that watches over us to convinent. I beleive that while you should be kindly to others you should also not forsake your own pleasure. What i'm saying is, be kind to others, your kidness will be repaid, enjoy your life, it isn't something to waste.

-Ferris95

No. I can write a book about why I don't believe in god and not wanting to be punished has nothing to do with it.

FIrst of all, I cannot possibly believe this Christian concept of god in which god is essentially a human, who is supposedly perfect but has a human appearance and human emotions such as anger and compassion. Why would god need emotions if he is perfect? Emotions are part of what makes us human and they tend to cloud pure knowledge. Rational thinking is another trait god would not need because every thought or belief is biased and therefore imperfect. God would not use thought to change the universe. Any change can help some while hurting others, so to believe god thinks about his actions would show that he has people who he favors, making him imperfect and human. Also, god is usually portrayed in human form. Why would got need arms and legs, or even a brain if he has unlimited power over the universe. These body parts allow us humans to function in our environment, but would be useless to a perfect being. Another thing useless to a divine being is a location and the ability to physically move. If god has total control, he would not need to be in any particular place, such as Heaven, to control the universe, but rather be everywhere. This would mean god is really everything. Every atom throughout the entire universe is part of god. However, as I discussed above, God must have no emotions. This means that god, and therefore everything is not a sentient being, but rather a collection of matter that operates based on pure mathematical principals, rather than compassion, thought and other human qualities.

I know this seems off topic, but all I am saying is that it is ignorant to assume that atheists choose not to believe in god in order to escape punishment.

Basically, if there is no afterlife, then go commit every "dirty" thought you've ever had. If theres no consequences for your actions here on earth and after you die that it, why hold yourself back?

Hmmm... police, prison, ostracizement, society, ruining what little life you have left... yeah, can't find anything... >=(

no, being an atheist is simply not believing in a "deity" that we cant see, hear, etc. We live life to its fullest because we believe there is no afterlife. We do not become atheists so we are not held responsible, we become atheists because we are rational thinkers not held back by false hopes, etc.

actually I being an atheist think that people are because were too lazy to go to church or worship any lord. or thats just me

At 4/5/08 02:41 PM, theshotgundude wrote: actually I being an atheist think that people are because were too lazy to go to church or worship any lord. or thats just me

OH GOD, THE IGNORANCE IS OFF THE CHARTS. DEPLOY THE SPECIALIZED RESCUE TEAMS NOW!

At 4/5/08 01:24 AM, Sillyking44 wrote: Stuff that is not relevant to what I am about to say.

You know, you could ASK before you steal my sig pic. ¬¬

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To be fair, some people probably are atheist because they don't want to have to go to church or because they don't want to feel condemned for doing things they know is wrong. To say that atheism, as a philosophy, is grounded in immorality and laziness is like saying that Christianity is founded in intellectual laziness as a way to answer tough questions without having to put them to test. The simple fact of the matter is that people join anything for any number of reasons, but that doesn't make the belief rooted in that fact. Hell, there are people who are Christians because they know that it's a good way to make business connections.

Saying that atheism is an immoral and lazy belief is absurd.

At 3/7/08 09:34 PM, KennyD wrote: Is being athiest a way of not being responsible for your actions? I mean being a christian myself, what we belive in basically boils down to if you live a responsible, honest life, you will be rewarded with Heaven the place of eternal bliss, if not then you are punished in Hell, the eternal place of agony. However being athiest, there is no consequences for your actions on earth. No matter how good or bad you are, once you die, thats it.
I'm not trying to start a christian vs. athiest hate-fest, I'm just wanting to know if this is in fact, one of the reasons for being an athiest?

I dont believe i am an athiest. People say the way i think is but I just dont beleive in religion period.. I do beleive their is a god, but i dont know if or what their is so i dont beleive in worshiping anything if i dont know what it is.

Then it would be defined as an agnostic

At 4/5/08 06:38 PM, Harmpie wrote: Then it would be defined as an agnostic

i know. but thats still a classification of a religion, i dont beleive in religion

At 4/5/08 05:40 PM, VoodooSFV wrote: I do beleive their is a god, but i dont know if or what their is so i dont beleive in worshiping anything if i dont know what it is.

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good point, how do you comprehend the uncomprehendable?
Enter Organised Religion , someone elses explaination , those without the ability to think, then follow.

At 4/5/08 06:43 PM, VoodooSFV wrote:

At 4/5/08 06:38 PM, Harmpie wrote: Then it would be defined as an agnostic

i know. but thats still a classification of a religion, i dont beleive in religion

Well that's what we use words for, to classify people. Agnosticism is not a form of organized religion, and if you're an agnostic, you're not part of any religion. Agnosticism is a classification of a secular ideology and non-religion, if that makes you feel better.

Anyway, you sound more like a deist than agnostic anyway, if you do believe in a god. The bad news for you is, deism is sort of a religion, but the good news is, it's not an organized religion. You can be a deist and still be a secularist.

At 4/5/08 03:49 PM, Drakim wrote:
OH GOD, THE IGNORANCE IS OFF THE CHARTS. DEPLOY THE SPECIALIZED RESCUE TEAMS NOW!

Sir, it appears ALL units have been annihilated by shaggy, I'm afraid.

At 4/5/08 09:02 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 4/5/08 03:49 PM, Drakim wrote:
OH GOD, THE IGNORANCE IS OFF THE CHARTS. DEPLOY THE SPECIALIZED RESCUE TEAMS NOW!

Sir, it appears ALL units have been annihilated by shaggy, I'm afraid.

Oh crap.

*presses red button*

I'm sorry, I had to. I had to. Don't blame me D:

i'm athiest (or something, i've figured out my own theorie that doesn't revolve about some supernatural theoretical beast like God.) because i don't feel like being restricted because of my believes.

At 4/5/08 09:24 PM, DarkSytze wrote: i'm athiest (or something, i've figured out my own theorie that doesn't revolve about some supernatural theoretical beast like God.) because i don't feel like being restricted because of my believes.

WHAAAAT? You aren't self restricting yourself with important rules like "no pork" and "no work on sundays" in your life?

Clearly a sign of moral decay.

At 3/7/08 09:41 PM, Fbj676 wrote: So you live your life by a book and teachings written in a different time with a differnt way of life and expect that by being as good as someone else tells you you will get a reward at the end, if there even is an end after this life..................

so you're saying that everything that used to happen back then doesn't happen now?Thats a lie,there is nothing new in the earth.

At 4/4/08 10:19 PM, MrFlopz wrote: No. I can write a book about why I don't believe in god and not wanting to be punished has nothing to do with it.

FIrst of all, I cannot possibly believe this Christian concept of god in which god is essentially a human, who is supposedly perfect but has a human appearance and human emotions such as anger and compassion. Why would god need emotions if he is perfect? Emotions are part of what makes us human and they tend to cloud pure knowledge. Rational thinking is another trait god would not need because every thought or belief is biased and therefore imperfect. God would not use thought to change the universe. Any change can help some while hurting others, so to believe god thinks about his actions would show that he has people who he favors, making him imperfect and human. Also, god is usually portrayed in human form. Why would got need arms and legs, or even a brain if he has unlimited power over the universe. These body parts allow us humans to function in our environment, but would be useless to a perfect being. Another thing useless to a divine being is a location and the ability to physically move. If god has total control, he would not need to be in any particular place, such as Heaven, to control the universe, but rather be everywhere. This would mean god is really everything. Every atom throughout the entire universe is part of god. However, as I discussed above, God must have no emotions. This means that god, and therefore everything is not a sentient being, but rather a collection of matter that operates based on pure mathematical principals, rather than compassion, thought and other human qualities.

I know this seems off topic, but all I am saying is that it is ignorant to assume that atheists choose not to believe in god in order to escape punishment.

If that were the case God would not care what happened to us.You basically want a robot to have created all life.if that were the case you,me and everyone else in the world would have been dead along time ago.No one ever said God had arms and legs,and he is everywhere.Then again what would you know you are just a human.So Do you believe that we came from nothing?

Also Just a little off topic Jesus was not white he was a Pakistani color.

At 4/7/08 08:06 AM, Nightcast9 wrote: If that were the case God would not care what happened to us.You basically want a robot to have created all life.

Why is it more likely that God is intelligent and caring than him being a robot?

if that were the case you,me and everyone else in the world would have been dead along time ago.

Why?

No one ever said God had arms and legs,and he is everywhere.Then again what would you know you are just a human.

So, you know that he cannot know? Maybe your idea about God is completely wrong too, since you are only human. Perhaps God is really easy to understand? How would you argue against any claim about God when I can just say that you are human and don't understand?

So Do you believe that we came from nothing?

How is this relevant?

Also Just a little off topic Jesus was not white he was a Pakistani color.

A little off topic? You mean completely?

Basically, if there is no afterlife, then go commit every "dirty" thought you've ever had. If theres no consequences for your actions here on earth and after you die that it, why hold yourself back?

*eyerollie*
That's such a cop out argument for actually thinking things through.

1.) human behaviors are dictated by more than just what a book lays out, legal or otherwise. There are underlying biological and social constraints. You don't go out killing people because you have an innate drive to preserve the species, and you don't go out and break laws because Society will eat you for breakfast.

That's like saying "Oh, I'll go slap this person because I don't believe in consequences", being so dumb as to not recognize that said person will then proceed to kick your ass.

Action leads to equal and opposite reaction. You steal shit from people, or hurt them, consequently you get hurt. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, nor a religion to recognize Common Sense.

2.) In other religions, modern and ancient, the same "punishments" and "rewards" are not available, yet these societies have not acted any differently than ours. Hell, the Greeks and Romans believed everyone went to Hades, regardless of actions on earth. They didn't have the same belief in the afterlife. What'd they do with all that freedom from divine punishment? Created democracy.

If God really was robot,he would have no love for us at all,all of our sin would mean he would kill us.But he love us enough to send his son,so we would not have to go to hell.I'm only a human.but I belive what the bible tells me about him.You should really try reading it.When you're in times of trouble knowing that he loves and cares about you,helps get you through it.

At 4/7/08 10:57 AM, Nightcast9 wrote: If God really was robot,he would have no love for us at all,all of our sin would mean he would kill us.

Not true at all. Robots don't care about illogical things like morality, especially not when the moral offenders are small ants.

Ants would bite me if they had a chance. Does that mean that I will destroy them no matter what. I don't care about them, because they are so small and unimportant. Cannot God be the same for us? People, some Christians in particular, seems to be unable to imagine that humans aren't the most important thing in existence. If there exists an all powerful being, why would he be interested in replicating matter, when there are so much else to see in the universe?

But he love us enough to send his son,so we would not have to go to hell.

But he didn't love us enough to delete hell? He had to make this complicated plot that involved a lot of suffering, and it won't work unless people hear about it? I'm glad I wasn't born in the wrong part of the earth, because that would mean I wouldn't know the purpose of the ever present eternal God, because his plan was a little limited in location. Lucky that.

I'm only a human.but I belive what the bible tells me about him.

Why? Why not the Quran?

You should really try reading it.

Most of us has. It's full of hate, with the occasional dash of love.

When you're in times of trouble knowing that he loves and cares about you,helps get you through it.

Drugs may help be escape a hurtful reality too, but that doesn't mean doing drugs is good for me. Much better to face reality head on, and be strong, rather than having to draw strength from other sources. You will never grow if you never do things yourself, by your own will and power.

At 4/7/08 11:43 AM, Drakim wrote:

why doesn't he delete hell?hell was created for Satan's angels and was never intended for us.But when you do whatever the fuck you want thats when you go to hell.God set up rules for us to follow so we would not be deceived by Satan.I don't read th quran for multiple reasons I'm not going into.Also I feel sorry for you,because when we all die we have to answer to someone,and you don't believe he exist.

At 4/7/08 01:38 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: Also I feel sorry for you,because when we all die we have to answer to someone,and you don't believe he exist.

I feel sorry for you, too, that you have to waste a certain amount of time on a daily basis to please your imaginary friend.

At 4/7/08 01:54 PM, AapoJoki wrote: I feel sorry for you, too, that you have to waste a certain amount of time on a daily basis to please your imaginary friend.

whatever,bet you wont say that when you're in hell

At 4/7/08 02:38 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/7/08 01:54 PM, AapoJoki wrote: I feel sorry for you, too, that you have to waste a certain amount of time on a daily basis to please your imaginary friend.

whatever,bet you wont say that when you're in hell

Damn, hell. That sounds like a pretty scary place, from what I've heard.

Just curious though, how do you know hell exists? You sound pretty sure.

because if theres a heaven theres a hell.this probably sounds stupid to you,'cus your an atheist,but whatever.For real though if you don't believe there is an afterlife whats the point in living?

At 4/7/08 03:21 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: because if theres a heaven theres a hell.

brilliant logic, it makes complete and absolute sense. </satire>

For real though if you don't believe there is an afterlife whats the point in living?

so the only reason to life is to be die and enter the afterlife? wow, thats a delightful and life affirming concept.

i didn't realise that not believing in an afterlife meant it was impossible to enjoy life and the time you spend with people you care about. good to know, i'll give up all the good things in life because without an afterlife they are absolutley meaningless.

At 4/7/08 03:30 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 4/7/08 03:21 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: because if theres a heaven theres a hell.

brilliant logic, it makes complete and absolute sense. </satire>

For real though if you don't believe there is an afterlife whats the point in living?

so the only reason to life is to be die and enter the afterlife? wow, thats a delightful and life affirming concept.

i didn't realise that not believing in an afterlife meant it was impossible to enjoy life and the time you spend with people you care about. good to know, i'll give up all the good things in life because without an afterlife they are absolutley meaningless.

you really should kill yourself.Whats the point in having a great life here,doing nothing but arguing with a 15 year old about if God is real or not.Atheist are fuckin dorks.