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At 3/13/08 08:21 PM, therealsylvos wrote: Not that you care, but that is only if they do not reject their parents ways and walk the good path.
just saying.

I wasn't insinuating anything further. I was just saying, it's quite clearly specified that God is jealous, and He gets pissed when you cuss him by being Buddhist. But I'm sure what you said was intended to be written in the Ten Commandments too, by an ever-forgetful and ambiguous God.

As is whatever KingsHighway's excuse is for it saying God is jealous, with that not conforming to his wishes.

Wait a minute . . . GriffinLancer! i know you! you were actin' like a dick on another post. One i can't quite remember

Atheists have morals too, just because they don't believe in God doesn't mean that they can't establish right from wrong. Do you really think people will become atheist just because they do not want to be punished for their sins?

At 3/13/08 11:45 PM, KingsHighway wrote: Wait a minute . . . GriffinLancer! i know you! you were actin' like a dick on another post. One i can't quite remember

Only on fridays.

I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me

At 3/13/08 08:25 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 3/13/08 08:21 PM, therealsylvos wrote: Not that you care, but that is only if they do not reject their parents ways and walk the good path.
just saying.

I wasn't insinuating anything further. I was just saying, it's quite clearly specified that God is jealous, and He gets pissed when you cuss him by being Buddhist. But I'm sure what you said was intended to be written in the Ten Commandments too, by an ever-forgetful and ambiguous God.

As is whatever KingsHighway's excuse is for it saying God is jealous, with that not conforming to his wishes.

I never said god was Jealous, That was some one else. I was the one who said god wasn't jealous. Thats when you starting spewing bull shit. Your excuse for atheism is the fact that you blame everything on god. Way to go buddy.

At 3/16/08 01:16 PM, KingsHighway wrote: I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me

I never said god was Jealous, That was some one else. I was the one who said god wasn't jealous.

God is jealous, check the fucking commandment at the top of your quote, I was proving you wrong when you said God wasn't jealous by providing a quote from the Bible saying he specifically was. Fucking Hell.
:Thats when you starting spewing bull shit.
Duhhhh

Your excuse for atheism is the fact that you blame everything on god.

Duhh I am atheist so I can blame everything on a God I don't believe in duhhh. You just can't handle my crushing logic. Honestly man, you really seem like an idiot. The God of the Bible is jealous, it says so in the ten commandments. Capishe?

Way to go buddy.

Is your carer typing for you?

At 3/7/08 09:34 PM, KennyD wrote: Is being athiest a way of not being responsible for your actions? I mean being a christian myself, what we belive in basically boils down to if you live a responsible, honest life, you will be rewarded with Heaven the place of eternal bliss, if not then you are punished in Hell, the eternal place of agony. However being athiest, there is no consequences for your actions on earth. No matter how good or bad you are, once you die, thats it.

as niether a christian or an athiest I believe in karma. whether or not others see it, you totally get back what you put out. I do NOT believe in being bribed with heaven or threatened with hell. There are REAL LIVE consiquences for your actions in EVERY day life. I am compelled to treat people the way I want to be treated because that is the way humans should behave twards eachother....not because im afraid that if I dont Ill burn in hell. I live for THIS life not the life to come.

At 3/16/08 11:47 PM, QuantumAlchemy wrote:

At 3/7/08 09:34 PM, KennyD wrote: Is being athiest a way of not being responsible for your actions? I mean being a christian myself, what we belive in basically boils down to if you live a responsible, honest life, you will be rewarded with Heaven the place of eternal bliss, if not then you are punished in Hell, the eternal place of agony. However being athiest, there is no consequences for your actions on earth. No matter how good or bad you are, once you die, thats it.

as niether a christian or an athiest I believe in karma. whether or not others see it, you totally get back what you put out. I do NOT believe in being bribed with heaven or threatened with hell. There are REAL LIVE consiquences for your actions in EVERY day life. I am compelled to treat people the way I want to be treated because that is the way humans should behave twards eachother....not because im afraid that if I dont Ill burn in hell. I live for THIS life not the life to come.

But that means that you can't feel sorry for somebody. If a mother is suddently killed by a racing car, leaving her weeping children behind, then, ultimatly, you shouldn't feel sorry for her, because she deserved it for something she did earlier.

Not to mention the children, loosing their mom is obviously a bad thing, so they must have done something bad to deserve that too? You can't punish a human without affecting a lot of other humans negativly either.

And I wonder how it all started. If everybody started at 0 in karma, then how did it first cause imbalance? If somebody did something hurtful to somebody else, then that means he/she got hurt without having done something bad in advance.

Either, karma is impossible, or it's only in addition to the normal times you can get hurt and rewarded by natural means. But I would hardly call such a system fair, as some evil dude might get lucky and be rewarded a lot. It's hardly fitting to the whole idea of karma.

At 3/17/08 04:25 AM, Drakim wrote: And I wonder how it all started.

Wow. This man speaks truths.

At 3/13/08 08:21 PM, therealsylvos wrote:

At 3/13/08 08:18 PM, Earfetish wrote:

I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

Not that you care, but that is only if they do not reject their parents ways and walk the good path.
just saying.

But that would still be unfair. Let's look at the situation:

1. People who have been punished by God, their children will also suffer if they do not walk the good path.
2. People who have not been punished by God, their children will not suffer if they do not walk the good path.

Anybody should see that this isn't fair. Some children can avoid the good path and do just fine, while some children are punished for it.

You are punished by God because of something your parents did. Any ratonal person can see that this is wrong. Are we to take God's example and jail children with their parents unless they go down to their knees and asks society for forgiveness for their parents crimes?

At 3/7/08 09:34 PM, KennyD wrote: Is being athiest a way of not being responsible for your actions? I mean being a christian myself, what we belive in basically boils down to if you live a responsible, honest life, you will be rewarded with Heaven the place of eternal bliss, if not then you are punished in Hell, the eternal place of agony. However being athiest, there is no consequences for your actions on earth. No matter how good or bad you are, once you die, thats it.
I'm not trying to start a christian vs. athiest hate-fest, I'm just wanting to know if this is in fact, one of the reasons for being an athiest?

Atheists have morals too, just because they don't believe in God doesn't mean that they can't establish right from wrong. Do you really think people will become atheist just because they do not want to be punished for their sins?

Why be an atheist?

Let's call it intelligence

At 3/7/08 09:34 PM, KennyD wrote: Is being athiest a way of not being responsible for your actions? I mean being a christian myself, what we belive in basically boils down to if you live a responsible, honest life, you will be rewarded with Heaven the place of eternal bliss, if not then you are punished in Hell, the eternal place of agony. However being athiest, there is no consequences for your actions on earth. No matter how good or bad you are, once you die, thats it.
I'm not trying to start a christian vs. athiest hate-fest, I'm just wanting to know if this is in fact, one of the reasons for being an athiest?

Well, we call our punishment justice: you know, with police and judges and everything. And it doesn't take a promise of an afterlife to be nice to each other. The reason to be an Atheist, is that people want to have control over their own lives, and not deliver themselves into some religion for guidance and comfort.

Quite simply, non-religious people are more realistic about their lives, and can take responsibility for their own actions. the thought of eventual death might be depressing, but hey, that's life. Furthermore, Christianity, much like Islam, continues to pursue the ethical and moral values of the time of their holy book, which is simply barbaric compared to our current standard of civilization. It is a source of bigotry and thus hatred. Now who on earth would be so narrow-minded as to obey such a religion!? Not Atheists.

Only a few of you clowns realize that belief in God does not mean you believe in afterlife; or realize that that the term atheism is the lack of belief in a diety, not lack of belief in an afterlife. For some reason lots of users on Newgrounds, namely morons, don't believe in God but believe in ghosts.

At 3/7/08 09:39 PM, reviewer-general wrote: You're suggesting that people might be atheists because they don't want to be punished for being bad?

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Ooooh, that's a possibility 8P

At 4/2/08 08:58 PM, MarioBegins wrote: Only a few of you clowns realize that belief in God does not mean you believe in afterlife; or realize that that the term atheism is the lack of belief in a diety, not lack of belief in an afterlife. For some reason lots of users on Newgrounds, namely morons, don't believe in God but believe in ghosts.

Hmmm, I thought atheists believed in nothing after death on earth.... hmmm tell me more.

you see, all religion turns around what the christians call the «ten commandments» stuff like don't kill, don't rape and don't rob.

Since we Occidentals have a code of Laws that ( suprisignly ) says pretty much the same thing. so if you get COUGHT ( which is the only difference) you are going to prison, and never be able to travel again, have a crappy job and live like some society reject for the rest of your life. Or not, you could also live in Texas and just get zapped, in which case its bad since we have no idea whats after life.

So even if someone doesn't beleive in a superior being, there will be consequences. even if its only in your concsienece.

I think this discussion is turning to as it is in the post "Why I am an Agnostic."

At 4/3/08 08:04 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote:

At 3/7/08 09:39 PM, reviewer-general wrote: You're suggesting that people might be atheists because they don't want to be punished for being bad?

Ooooh, that's a possibility 8P

And about as likely as Christians beliving in God because they are gay for Jesus.

Haven't you noticed that atheist don't tend to do anything bad really? There is no mass murdering spree which a "I don't want to be held accountable for my actions" would suggest. Heck, atheist even outscore Christians when it comes to prisons, not nearly filling up as many places as they should compared to their numbers in the public.

At 4/3/08 08:06 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote:

At 4/2/08 08:58 PM, MarioBegins wrote: Only a few of you clowns realize that belief in God does not mean you believe in afterlife; or realize that that the term atheism is the lack of belief in a diety, not lack of belief in an afterlife. For some reason lots of users on Newgrounds, namely morons, don't believe in God but believe in ghosts.

Hmmm, I thought atheists believed in nothing after death on earth.... hmmm tell me more.

Ah, it's pretty simple:

Atheist - One who does not belive in God
Naturalist - One who does not belive in anything supernatural (including the afterlife)

Almost all atheist are naturalists. But not everybody, so you can't say that they are the same position.

God dammit, I'm done with you religion hating butt holes.

No more, thats right, no more arguing with stupid unrealistic immature life hating kids who are too afraid to give anything a chance since they've fucked their own lives up already, fuck that.
You lost little sheep are done.

At 4/3/08 04:58 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: God dammit, I'm done with you religion hating butt holes.

No more, thats right, no more arguing with stupid unrealistic immature life hating kids who are too afraid to give anything a chance since they've fucked their own lives up already, fuck that.
You lost little sheep are done.

how does this response make any sense? people gave you simple answers without attempting to belittle you and you go apeshit.

At 4/3/08 04:58 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: God dammit, I'm done with you religion hating butt holes.

No more, thats right, no more arguing with stupid unrealistic immature life hating kids who are too afraid to give anything a chance since they've fucked their own lives up already, fuck that.
You lost little sheep are done.

Man, this sounds familiar, "I'm sick of you people who do not accept the truth about 9/11, I'm leaveing for good." comes back later.

At 4/3/08 04:58 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: You lost little sheep are done.

Lol have a nice day

Atheist - I don't believe in wondering about shit. It's not worth it.

I don't know. I don't see how believing or not believing in god really makes a difference that much. It doesn't matter, it matters more what you do with your life, not really what you think of it..

At 4/3/08 10:08 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: I don't know. I don't see how believing or not believing in god really makes a difference that much. It doesn't matter, it matters more what you do with your life, not really what you think of it..

couldn't of said it better myself

At 4/3/08 10:08 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: I don't see how believing or not believing in god really makes a difference that much.

If the Christian god exists and is as he is portrayed, it makes a huge fucking difference to atheists. Just sayin'.

At 4/3/08 10:08 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: Atheist - I don't believe in wondering about shit. It's not worth it.

oddly enought the majority of people in the Heathenry thread and other non-flame spiritual threads are either atheists or agnostics.

At 3/7/08 09:34 PM, KennyD wrote: Is being athiest a way of not being responsible for your actions? I mean being a christian myself, what we belive in basically boils down to if you live a responsible, honest life, you will be rewarded with Heaven the place of eternal bliss, if not then you are punished in Hell, the eternal place of agony. However being athiest, there is no consequences for your actions on earth. No matter how good or bad you are, once you die, thats it.
I'm not trying to start a christian vs. athiest hate-fest, I'm just wanting to know if this is in fact, one of the reasons for being an athiest?

...no
i'm an atheist because the whole idea of a god is alittle like the idea of a magical dragon named fluffy who spews candy from his mouth. it doesn't make sense, and there's no evidence for it.
an interesting statistic: Atheists comprise about 2-5% of the population in the U.S., with christians about 75ish. acording to the U.S. Prison system, about .2% of the prisoners reported themselves as being atheists. we don't avoid consequences. we live our lives as though we have only one to live, with no fanciful afterlife with rainbows and unicorns.

At 4/3/08 10:50 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:
If the Christian god exists and is as he is portrayed, it makes a huge fucking difference to atheists. Just sayin'.

I really don't think a god would call itself under any certain religion.

atheists have normal values and morals too....

Christians shouldn't say shit about being us being criminal, because if a 12 year old Christian boy would sin, he would go to a priest, 'i wanna be forgiven' priest says 'just close your eyes and suck & swallow'

And he doesn't have to be scared to go to hell, he'll just repent, and that's it.

that's how all religions are.