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At 4/18/08 08:35 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: Please explain to me how people can live without believing in a higher power.I think that if you saw the things i see and experience,you would not feel that way

Ah- simple. We live normal human lives- just minus a magical invisible person. We follow the morals we have been taught or that we have learned. Also for your experiences- we haven't had them- Also they could probably be explained normally- but at any rate you may show them. If you do all you will have is anecdotal evidence though.

At 4/18/08 08:35 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: Please explain to me how people can live without believing in a higher power.I think that if you saw the things i see and experience,you would not feel that way

And what, pray tell, things do you see and experience?

At 4/18/08 08:35 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: Please explain to me how people can live without believing in a higher power.I think that if you saw the things i see and experience,you would not feel that way

Please explain to me how people can, without any doubt, accept a lie told to them at some building designed for the worship of a fairy tale?

At 4/19/08 11:24 AM, hippl5 wrote: Please explain to me how people can, without any doubt, accept a lie told to them at some building designed for the worship of a fairy tale?

Hah, easy. The lie told is that they will never die. Hard to resist, eh?

At 4/18/08 10:22 PM, a2toedmonkey wrote:

Ah- simple. We live normal human lives- just minus a magical invisible person. We follow the morals we have been taught or that we have learned. Also for your experiences- we haven't had them- Also they could probably be explained normally- but at any rate you may show them. If you do all you will have is anecdotal evidence though.

I don't think any of you understand how Christianity works,You cant just pray and expect it to happen,you have to actually have faith.Where do you think those morals came from?Like Humans actually just decided"Hey!I know the difference between right and wrong!"An if God does not exist why are we here?How come saying the name of Jesus causes people to,get quiet and look around,if he does not exist?From my personal experiences,I've learned that people can actually change,when you pray for them and believe that they will get better.that God actually loves them and wants them trust in him.For example.My cousin was shot in the head a couple of years back.The doctors said he would only live for a week and would never be able to speak or walk again.My mother and my aunts sat by his bed praying for him all night,speaking life to him.My cousin began having speach an hour later 3 MONTHS later he was able to walk again.I even had a dream about it 2 months before he was able to walk again.

At 4/19/08 04:59 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: My cousin was shot in the head a couple of years back.The doctors said he would only live for a week and would never be able to speak or walk again.My mother and my aunts sat by his bed praying for him all night,speaking life to him.My cousin began having speach an hour later 3 MONTHS later he was able to walk again.I even had a dream about it 2 months before he was able to walk again.

Oh I love that one! Rather than thanking the doctors and the rest of the medical staff, you thank an imaginary being! Never thought that you muttering something to an imaginary being, and your cousin improving could be a coincidence, have you?

Why even have hospitals? next time someone gets shot, I'll pray over their body. Jesus will heal them!

At 4/19/08 05:03 PM, hippl5 wrote:

At 4/19/08 04:59 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: My cousin was shot in the head a couple of years back.The doctors said

Oh I love that one! Rather than thanking the doctors and the rest of the medical staff, you thank an imaginary being! Never thought that you muttering something to an imaginary being, and your cousin improving could be a coincidence, have you?

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What's even better is if the guy had died, those same bible thumpers would have all said "Well it was his time & god works in mysterious ways"... What a Crock of Shite !

At 4/19/08 05:03 PM, hippl5 wrote:

Oh I love that one! Rather than thanking the doctors and the rest of the medical staff, you thank an imaginary being! Never thought that you muttering something to an imaginary being, and your cousin improving could be a coincidence, have you?

Okay,He began to speak that same hour,The doctors did nothing.As a matter of fact the suggested pulling the plug.Also explain who created us then,if he is imaginay.If your gonna pull the Big bang bullshit,then who created the matter that caused it?

At 4/19/08 05:26 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:
Okay,He began to speak that same hour,The doctors did nothing.As a matter of fact the suggested pulling the plug.Also explain who created us then,if he is imaginay.If your gonna pull the Big bang bullshit,then who created the matter that caused it?

No big bang here. Who created the matter? I don't know. But I'm not going to believe some fairy tale about an invisible being who pulled humanity out of his ass.

I can make up stories too.

There was once a cannibalistic penguin. Being bored, he layed an egg. He created humanity. All hail the first church of the Cannibalistic Penguin! There is no proof that he exists. But you have to have faith. If you don't your dick will fall of and you'll go to hell.

At 4/19/08 05:08 PM, hippl5 wrote: Why even have hospitals? next time someone gets shot, I'll pray over their body. Jesus will heal them!

Hospitals are useful,There is not a part in the bible that says you cant use hospitals or medical help.But sometimes medicine just wont work,such as when a baby is born with no face,or when someone needs a miracle in there life.people don't seem to understand that God wants to help us,but we need to attempt to help ourselves first.My cousin for example was an atheist,we constantly prayed for him.(Hes the brother of the one who was shot.After his brother was shot he began spiraling downward,saying"how can God exist if he allowed something like this to happen?"He began smoking weed,and crack,and drinking all the time.to the point where he began coughing up his lungs.We began praying for him more.to make a long story short,he became a Christian by giving his life to Christ.

At 4/19/08 05:29 PM, hippl5 wrote:

No big bang here. Who created the matter? I don't know. But I'm not going to believe some fairy tale about an invisible being who pulled humanity out of his ass.

Why do you exist,You dont believe in the devil either do you?

At 4/19/08 05:41 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/19/08 05:29 PM, hippl5 wrote:

No big bang here. Who created the matter? I don't know. But I'm not going to believe some fairy tale about an invisible being who pulled humanity out of his ass.

Why do you exist,You dont believe in the devil either do you?

Nope, no devil. I exist because my parents had sex.

At 4/19/08 05:43 PM, hippl5 wrote:

Nope, no devil. I exist because my parents had sex.

I like you,your very logical,but why not believe in SOMETHING?Its not like you have something to lose.

At 4/19/08 05:39 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: Hospitals are useful,There is not a part in the bible that says you cant use hospitals or medical help. But sometimes medicine just wont work,such as when a baby is born with no face,or when someone needs a miracle in there life.

So you're saying if you pray, the baby will have a face?

people don't seem to understand that God wants to help us,

And also wants to send you to hell, because you are a sinner for no reason.

:but we need to attempt to help ourselves first.My cousin for example was an atheist,we constantly prayed for him.(Hes the brother of the one who was shot.After his brother was shot he began spiraling downward,saying"how can God exist if he allowed something like this to happen?"He began smoking weed,and crack,and drinking all the time.to the point where he began coughing up his lungs.We began praying for him more.to make a long story short,he became a Christian by giving his life to Christ.

What...? How can you "give" your life to someone? Unless you let them kill you, or become their eternal slave. And how can you give your life to a dead guy? I'd say your prayers did nothing, it was his own choice to believe in a religion.

At 4/19/08 05:47 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/19/08 05:43 PM, hippl5 wrote:

Nope, no devil. I exist because my parents had sex.

I like you,your very logical,but why not believe in SOMETHING?Its not like you have something to lose.

Because it's like taking placebos. They do nothing. And there is something to lose
- Your free time (attending church)

How can there be a being who nobody ever sees, or hears, yet he has control over the entire world? How do you know that your Christian religion is right, and the jews, muslims, and everyone else is wrong?

At 4/19/08 05:47 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/19/08 05:43 PM, hippl5 wrote:

Nope, no devil. I exist because my parents had sex.

I like you,your very logical,but why not believe in SOMETHING?Its not like you have something to lose.

I'm afraid you got a lot to lose. The very fact that 10% of the population have to give up their sexuality doesn't ring any bells?

Join our group! It doesn't cost anything!

But we might have to cut off your dick or something.

At 4/19/08 05:49 PM, hippl5 wrote:

So you're saying if you pray, the baby will have a face?

There was a baby without a face in china,where Christianity is banned.The people had enough faith,and prayed the whole night.the next morning the baby had a face.when I find the video I will post it.

And also wants to send you to hell, because you are a sinner for no reason.

God does not want to send anyone to hell,its your choice.he has people tell you to change your ways and except Jesus into your heart.But people like you just want to rebel,for whatever reason.The greatest thing Satan ever did was convince the world that he and God do not exist.Hell was created for Satan and his demons,after his fall from heaven.If it were not for that hell would not exist.What ever is not of God is of Satan.So you not believing in God are with Satan,making you one his followers causing you to go to hell with him.

What...? How can you "give" your life to someone? Unless you let them kill you, or become their eternal slave. And how can you give your life to a dead guy? I'd say your prayers did nothing, it was his own choice to believe in a religion.

He said himself someone must have been praying for me otherwise,I would have never have found God.Just because he is a spirit does not make him dead.Bodies are just vessels,God does not need one.Giving your life means you intrust your life into his hands as you would a doctor.

At 4/19/08 05:58 PM, Drakim wrote: Join our group! It doesn't cost anything!

But we might have to cut off your dick or something.

Matthew 16:26 "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"Your call.

At 4/19/08 06:07 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/19/08 05:49 PM, hippl5 wrote:

There was a baby without a face in china,where Christianity is banned.The people had enough faith,and prayed the whole night.the next morning the baby had a face.when I find the video I will post it.

I take it that you also believe everything you see on the news?

God does not want to send anyone to hell,its your choice.he has people tell you to change your ways and except Jesus into your heart.But people like you just want to rebel,for whatever reason.The greatest thing Satan ever did was convince the world that he and God do not exist.Hell was created for Satan and his demons,after his fall from heaven.If it were not for that hell would not exist.What ever is not of God is of Satan.So you not believing in God are with Satan,making you one his followers causing you to go to hell with him.

How can I be a servant of someone that doesn't exist? You're saying that another magical being brainwashed me into believing that he and god don't exist, and then he will torture me for being loyal? Sounds funny actually.

He said himself someone must have been praying for me otherwise,I would have never have found God.Just because he is a spirit does not make him dead.Bodies are just vessels,God does not need one.Giving your life means you intrust your life into his hands as you would a doctor.

If someone has a weak mind, and really wants something to happen, they will believe what they want for that something to happen.

At 4/19/08 06:10 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/19/08 05:58 PM, Drakim wrote: Join our group! It doesn't cost anything!

But we might have to cut off your dick or something.

Matthew 16:26 "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"Your call.

That's from the bible? A human wrote the bible... and what it says doesn't apply to everyone. Also, the concept of souls. Can you prove that a such a thing as a soul exists?

At 4/19/08 05:52 PM, hippl5 wrote: Because it's like taking placebos. They do nothing. And there is something to lose
- Your free time (attending church)

Who said you HAVE to go to church?I don't like going either SOMETIMES.Church is for having people encourage you like when you are having issues in life,Almost like AA.You just have to find a good church where they don't talk about you behind your back,judge you,and they accept you for who you are in christ.

How can there be a being who nobody ever sees, or hears, yet he has control over the entire world? How do you know that your Christian religion is right, and the jews, muslims, and everyone else is wrong?

If you notice in the Jewish old testament,the book of Isiah states everything the Messiah would come to save them.They expected Jesus to be a worldly king,like David and rejected him.They are still waiting for the messiah even though he came thousands of years ago.Islam roots from Judaism,and even says that Jesus ,is coming back.Even though they twisted it to fit their religion.

At 4/19/08 06:10 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/19/08 05:58 PM, Drakim wrote: Join our group! It doesn't cost anything!

But we might have to cut off your dick or something.

Matthew 16:26 "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?"Your call.

Sigh, I know some Christians on newgrounds who will be facepalming and cursing your name when they read this, because you represent the part of Christianity that everybody despises.

You can't just say that beliving is better than not beliving because you might be lucky and gain heaven for free (if what you belive is true), when it comes at a deep deep cost at your personal life. The argument contradicts itself.

At 4/19/08 06:17 PM, hippl5 wrote:
That's from the bible? A human wrote the bible... and what it says doesn't apply to everyone. Also, the concept of souls. Can you prove that a such a thing as a soul exists?

this is pointless I give up.I just hope one day you see the light.I'm gonna start praying for you.

At 4/19/08 06:18 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/19/08 05:52 PM, hippl5 wrote: Because it's like taking placebos. They do nothing. And there is something to lose
- Your free time (attending church)

Who said you HAVE to go to church?I don't like going either SOMETIMES.Church is for having people encourage you like when you are having issues in life,Almost like AA.You just have to find a good church where they don't talk about you behind your back,judge you,and they accept you for who you are in christ.

Why do you have to go to a church anyway? Isn't God everywhere? Can't he hear my prayers no matter where I am?

How can there be a being who nobody ever sees, or hears, yet he has control over the entire world? How do you know that your Christian religion is right, and the jews, muslims, and everyone else is wrong?

If you notice in the Jewish old testament,the book of Isiah states everything the Messiah would come to save them.They expected Jesus to be a worldly king,like David and rejected him.They are still waiting for the messiah even though he came thousands of years ago.Islam roots from Judaism,and even says that Jesus ,is coming back.Even though they twisted it to fit their religion.

You didn't actually answer his question. He asked you how you are right and you basicly said it's because everybody else is wrong.

I'll put the question more easy for you. How do you know that Jesus is God and not Zevz?

At 4/19/08 05:29 PM, hippl5 wrote: I can make up stories too.

There was once a cannibalistic penguin. Being bored, he layed an egg. He created humanity.

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The way I heard it told was man was trapped in a giant clam shell , a Crow looking along the beach sees the slight movement where the 2 halves of the clams shell come together. he cracks it open & men are inside... If the Haida first nations people say this is how we came to be .

Who Are we to say some other story is right... or wrong for that matter.
Nothing ,no matter what version or god(s) you may belive in changes the fact that religion is the root of all evil.

At 4/19/08 06:18 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: Who said you HAVE to go to church?I don't like going either SOMETIMES.Church is for having people encourage you like when you are having issues in life,Almost like AA.You just have to find a good church where they don't talk about you behind your back,judge you,and they accept you for who you are in christ.

Here's another one: I can't set my own rules. Suddenly, I have to follow someone else's, or I'm going to the imaginary fire place. Some things that Christians see as sins, I don't. So that would mean giving up my beliefs.

If you notice in the Jewish old testament,the book of Isiah states everything the Messiah would come to save them.They expected Jesus to be a worldly king,like David and rejected him.They are still waiting for the messiah even though he came thousands of years ago.Islam roots from Judaism,and even says that Jesus ,is coming back.Even though they twisted it to fit their religion.

Buddhism? Satanism? Scientology? Wicans? Shintoism? Hinduism? What about those?
If Jews and Muslims aren't wrong, why do you follow Christianity rather than the other two?

At 4/19/08 06:23 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 4/19/08 05:29 PM, hippl5 wrote: I can make up stories too.

There was once a cannibalistic penguin. Being bored, he layed an egg. He created humanity.

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The way I heard it told was man was trapped in a giant clam shell , a Crow looking along the beach sees the slight movement where the 2 halves of the clams shell come together. he cracks it open & men are inside... If the Haida first nations people say this is how we came to be .

Who Are we to say some other story is right... or wrong for that matter.

Fuck you! I'll kill all your fucking people! HAIL PENGUIN!
The book of the penguin, Page 9: "He who is not with you, is against you. Come, penguin brethren! You must take arms against them! We shall damn them to eternal torture!"

At 4/19/08 06:21 PM, Drakim wrote:

Why do you have to go to a church anyway? Isn't God everywhere? Can't he hear my prayers no matter where I am?

I never said you have to go to church to pray I said for encouragement,and Human contact.Because when you see that other people are there for you and believe what you believe it is much easier.

At 4/19/08 06:42 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/19/08 06:21 PM, Drakim wrote:

Why do you have to go to a church anyway? Isn't God everywhere? Can't he hear my prayers no matter where I am?

I never said you have to go to church to pray I said for encouragement,and Human contact.Because when you see that other people are there for you and believe what you believe it is much easier.

Much easier to what? Believe a lie? Of course it's much easier to trick someone into believing something if everyone else around them are doing the same thing. It's like a big prank, that involves millions of people.