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Heh, it's amazing how sheltered people can be regardless of their religion or lack thereof. To say an Atheist is afraid of taking responsibility for his/her own actions is a perfect example of irony. In my opinion Atheists are more self aware than most monotheists in the fact that every problem must be blamed upon man, whether it's war or cheating on a girlfriend. When you don't have to prep yourself for heaven you have to spend more time making sure your decisions please you and your conscience.

On the other hand saying that theists only follow a strict moral law for self benefit in an after life is also absurd. Conscience is the root of human existence, the ability to know what is right and wrong within our civilization is necessary and religion may have very well been the harbinger for modern day morals.

TL;DR Atheists and Theists can be good people, they just make their decisions for different reasons.

At 4/9/08 06:07 PM, InsaniMaster471 wrote:

You could say the same for Theist. When you have proof God DOES exist, holla at me. Until then stop bitching and shut the fuck up.

Well we'll all just have to wait and see who is right.won't we?

At 4/10/08 06:08 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/9/08 06:07 PM, InsaniMaster471 wrote:

You could say the same for Theist. When you have proof God DOES exist, holla at me. Until then stop bitching and shut the fuck up.

Well we'll all just have to wait and see who is right.won't we?

Good. I'm glad the Atheists and the Theists have reached some kind of agreement here.

In the meantime, would the Theists mind not imposing their ass-backwards Space-God laws on the rest of the population? You know the one's I'm talking about, the anti-gay laws, the anti-science laws, the anti-education laws. Yeah, those ones. Stop doing that.

At 4/10/08 06:08 PM, Nightcast9 wrote:

At 4/9/08 06:07 PM, InsaniMaster471 wrote:

You could say the same for Theist. When you have proof God DOES exist, holla at me. Until then stop bitching and shut the fuck up.

Well we'll all just have to wait and see who is right.won't we?

Yeah, sure, you have fun with that. I'll be waiting with bated breath. </sarcasm>

At 3/7/08 09:54 PM, KennyD wrote:

Basically, if there is no afterlife, then go commit every "dirty" thought you've ever had. If theres no consequences for your actions here on earth and after you die that it, why hold yourself back?

People can have a sense of right and wrong without fear of hell. Basically what your telling me is that you would go and commit your "dirty" thoughts if you wouldn't have to pay for them?

An example of why it doesn't make a difference: Atheists and Religious people alike make the dumbest fucking arguments I have ever seen on my life. The fact that they argue at all. Or downright say something is wrong. When you're talking about beliefs nothing is really off limits.

Because it is only in your head.

At 4/10/08 08:07 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: An example of why it doesn't make a difference: Atheists and Religious people alike make the dumbest fucking arguments I have ever seen on my life. The fact that they argue at all. Or downright say something is wrong. When you're talking about beliefs nothing is really off limits.

Because it is only in your head.

So is every other opinion about everything. Politics, music taste, is Foamy the Squirrel funny...

don't see why religion is different.

I've made topics about basically every aspect of every religious thread really.
atheists should be argumentative

What reason is there for believing/disbelieving in "god"?

What reason is there to believe anything, as everything has no real basis?

At 4/11/08 02:28 AM, Havenar wrote: What reason is there for believing/disbelieving in "god"?

What reason is there to believe anything, as everything has no real basis?

If you make the 'leap of faith' to believing reality is what you're perceiving, and we're all separate human beings on a planet called Earth, then you have the ability to build other beliefs about the world.

My beliefs about the world being natural are far stronger than my beliefs about, say, libertarianism.

It is worth accepting you can't be sure about anything. But, in a world where you've got to make decisions and do things, you may as well accept that you exist and the Earth is how it appears. Which is a good starting point to infer other beliefs.

Agnostics are dumb if their whole reason for being agnostic is 'you can't be sure about anything'. No shit, Sherlock; I notice you still get out of bed in the morning, so you're certainly acting like you're sure about something.

We obey laws mainly because we dont want to go to jail or be fined, not because we are worried that we will go to hell. Plus, if im not mistaken, even the lord will forgive you if you even commit murder and rape and terrible things if you truly believe what you did was wrong and ask for forgiveness.

religion isnt then only thing that keeps people from commiting crimes.

let us not forget that violence and murder has been done throughout history in the name of religioun. I dont just mea Al Qeda, the catholic church has done terrible things in the past when it was more powerful then kings. but this shows that in what hands holds religion determines if it will be used for good or wickedness.

It doesn't matter what one chooses to believe or disbelieve as it is ultimately futile in the end. All rivers basically empty out into the same ocean that is 'oblivion'.

Have fun boys and girls.

At 4/11/08 02:58 AM, Havenar wrote: It doesn't matter what one chooses to believe or disbelieve as it is ultimately futile in the end. All rivers basically empty out into the same ocean that is 'oblivion'.

Have fun boys and girls.

'We're all going to die. Nothing happens afterwards.'

Stop pretending to be agnostic, atheist.

I'm not agnostic you stupid spic.

At 3/7/08 09:34 PM, KennyD wrote: Is being athiest a way of not being responsible for your actions? I mean being a christian myself, what we belive in basically boils down to if you live a responsible, honest life, you will be rewarded with Heaven the place of eternal bliss, if not then you are punished in Hell, the eternal place of agony. However being athiest, there is no consequences for your actions on earth. No matter how good or bad you are, once you die, thats it.
I'm not trying to start a christian vs. athiest hate-fest, I'm just wanting to know if this is in fact, one of the reasons for being an athiest?

Au contraire, being atheist is a way of taking responsibilities for your actions and don't stick htem up some deities.
It's not that because you're an atheist that you don't approve of the basic rules of acting in goodwill towards 'thy neighbourgh'.
And history proves that in that respect atheist have followed the path of Christ than many christians. (look at how many people suffered and died because of christian zeal)

That question sucked ass, what are you, 8 years old? I'm atheist cuz i don't believe in all that shit, no offense everyone.

reality is god and so are you if you trust yourself enough.

At 4/11/08 05:48 AM, risbolla wrote: If consequences are what restrains you from doing a misdeed and not values, then you have already done the misdeed, in my opinion.

that's just silly

At 4/13/08 11:43 PM, pielover87 wrote:

At 4/11/08 05:48 AM, risbolla wrote: If consequences are what restrains you from doing a misdeed and not values, then you have already done the misdeed, in my opinion.

that's just silly

Do you understand what was even said? Not all misdeeds can have such bad repercussions. For instance, stealing. If you steal a plasma television, you could go to jail for your own desires. However, such as in Robin Hood (kind of childish, I know) stealing from the greedy rich and giving to the poor is still stealing and can still put you in jail, but is different in a moral sense for you are not helping yourself to some kind of greed or vanity, but for others' well being and survival.

At 4/11/08 02:55 AM, penis-plant wrote: We obey laws mainly because we dont want to go to jail or be fined, not because we are worried that we will go to hell. Plus, if im not mistaken, even the lord will forgive you if you even commit murder and rape and terrible things if you truly believe what you did was wrong and ask for forgiveness.

We are told that " the lord will forgive" there is no proof of that.
Even if the Lord does forgive someone , while they are alive ,The Governments are a lot harder to persuade & you will be punished according to what ever justice system happens to be in use where you are on the Planet.

religion isnt then only thing that keeps people from commiting crimes.

;
Thankfully your correct, but even so there are many people in prison who were very active in their church before they were caught...The guy called the BTK serial killer was a decon in his church !
So obviously religion isn't a deterrent.

let us not forget that violence and murder has been done throughout history in the name of religioun. I dont just mea Al Qeda, the catholic church has done terrible things in the past when it was more powerful then kings. but this shows that in what hands holds religion determines if it will be used for good or wickedness.

Which begs the question, why would a perfect god, invent such an imperfect system as 'religion' & allow mankind which he knows is also imperfect (he threw them out of Eden , if you believe the book) to be incharge of "His Religion" .

So tell me someone ; If god created us & we are imperfect , supposedly all of us bear some responsibility for original sin. Why would god then "judge us" when he is ultimately responsible for creating something imperfect ?
It isn't our fault ?
He created us & in that creation ,he obviously made mistakes .
Which means God isn't perfect, he makes mistakes .
So ,to me ,it follows that 'God's Rules' are also not perfect .
Seems the whole damn thing is just doomed to failure , imperfect god, imperfect religion & imperfect people... Just how the fuck, we as mortals over come that much Imperfection ?

When god himself can't !

Or maybe its like I've said for awhile now , none of the organized religions come anywhere near the truth about god.
Just wishful thinking for many , & it (religion of any type) really is just a tool to control the masses.

At 4/8/08 04:54 PM, Nightcast9 wrote: whatever theres no reason to continue this,so I'm out.I don't understand,your purpose in arguing with me though.If What you say is true about there being no God,then theres no problem.When I die,I'll just be in the ground.So whats the point in this discussion?

Are you retarded or just ignorant? Srsly.

I was brought up KINDA Christian. All my friends were Christian. My parents just didn't go to church. So... I was Christian up until about age 8 when i began to think for myself. Yup, religious-turned-atheist and it kicks ass.

Ah I just don't know anymore.

At 4/9/08 06:19 PM, CptxMorgan wrote: Heh, it's amazing how sheltered people can be regardless of their religion or lack thereof. To say an Atheist is afraid of taking responsibility for his/her own actions is a perfect example of irony. In my opinion Atheists are more self aware than most monotheists in the fact that every problem must be blamed upon man,

Lol what are you talking about most religions portray the human race as a bath of sinners whose fault it ENTIRELY it is. And it's up to them to fix it.

At 4/11/08 02:34 AM, Earfetish wrote:
Agnostics are dumb if their whole reason for being agnostic is 'you can't be sure about anything'. No shit, Sherlock; I notice you still get out of bed in the morning, so you're certainly acting like you're sure about something.

I would say it's more "i'm sure about everything."

You might say that christians can do whatever they want and then just repent. There is a way however, where you might be punished for your actions and you cant repent: agnosticism.

not true and i would know i am christian afterall

At 3/7/08 10:37 PM, gufu wrote: Humanity always had moral - before the bible and after it.

biblicle times were from the very beginning and isnt over(revelations,it i happing even now)click for the real understanding

At 4/14/08 09:13 PM, thesearetasty wrote:

At 3/7/08 10:37 PM, gufu wrote: Humanity always had moral - before the bible and after it.

biblicle times were from the very beginning and isnt over(revelations,it i happing even now)click for the real understanding

Nice one, you had me fooled for a while. ^^

oops wrong link

At 4/17/08 10:00 PM, thesearetasty wrote: oops wrong link

Oh, no, it wasn't.

Please explain to me how people can live without believing in a higher power.I think that if you saw the things i see and experience,you would not feel that way